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Title: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: puglove on August 30, 2014, 10:48:28 PM
Not sure where we are with the "truce" but, anyhoo........Dun Dun DURRRRNNNN!!! Mike has found a statement from Stan Jones that will free Bamber. Oh joy. Mike's NOT going to give it to Z, or Seymore Butts, or Kerry Katona, or Zippy from Rainbow. He's going to take Misty for a walk and have a good, long think about it.

Free at last, free at last..................... ?{)(**
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: John on August 31, 2014, 01:26:33 AM
Not sure where we are with the "truce" but, anyhoo........Dun Dun DURRRRNNNN!!! Mike has found a statement from Stan Jones that will free Bamber. Oh joy. Mike's NOT going to give it to Z, or Seymore Butts, or Kerry Katona, or Zippy from Rainbow. He's going to take Misty for a walk and have a good, long think about it.

Free at last, free at last..................... ?{)(**

OMG not anither wan!   @)(++(*  *&*%£

Jackie Preece will be getting the Qantas tickets to Oz booked and the Jag out just in case.   ?{)(**
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: Tim Invictus on August 31, 2014, 01:44:08 AM
'Jezza' I pleaded 'it's your old burglar buddyMike'
'Mike who?' Enquired Jetemy
'Mike Tesko' I whimpered 'remember me, I used to clean your bed pan'
'Oh THAT Mike! I thought I told you to feck off you fecking weirdo' snarled Jeremy
'Bbbbbbut Jezza pleaseeeeee you gotta listen, I finally have proof to free you' I entreated.
'Fyck off you fycking mentalist' shouted Jeremy
The phone line went dead.
I cried!


Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: puglove on August 31, 2014, 10:06:12 AM
Mushy Sprouts Update......

Mike has been up all night (NOT nicking lead off a church roof, this time) and STILL hasn't decided what to do with his conclusive new evidence.

More later.........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......snore.................
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: puglove on August 31, 2014, 10:40:44 AM
Mushy Sprouts 24 hours rolling news.......

Bamber had porridge for breakfast (ho ho!!).

Mike's having a cup of tea and a bag of monster munch.

Misty's got worms and is rubbing her bum on the carpet.


More later................
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: Tim Invictus on August 31, 2014, 11:59:40 AM
I wonder if all the Bamberettes will just 'swallow and ignore' as usual. Surely they know Mike The Burglar is lying through his dentures yet again.

Does anyone on the Blue Forum actually believe Mike Tesko has "found a statement by Stan Jones that clears Bamber"?

Anyone who believes Mike is an idiot and I will give any such idiot 10 to 1 odds on any bet you like that Tesko is a lying tub of lard!

And for all those on Blue who know Mike is a lying old crook, I have a question for you; how can you sit and support a forum when the owner treats you with such contempt by continuously lying to you? He doesn't even care if you know he is lying!
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: Tim Invictus on August 31, 2014, 03:37:06 PM
Caroline has asked the Fat Burglar to post the STAN JONES STATEMENT!

The Fat Burglar is quote "80% in favour" of posting the SJS! But obviously the lying Fat Burglar hasn't posted it 'yet' because it doesn't fycking exist!

I do wonder if Caroline will continue being an admin for a forum whose owner lies to her face?

Patsy too .... I doubt such a classy lady could put up with being lied to!



Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: Holly Goodhead on August 31, 2014, 05:44:04 PM
How about NGB's posts on this thread:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5735.msg255063.html#msg255063

Is he saying the books have been postponed as ?something? has come to light?  Sounds like a bit more than legal issues?

 &%+((£



Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: Tim Invictus on August 31, 2014, 07:16:28 PM
How about NGB's posts on this thread:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5735.msg255063.html#msg255063

Is he saying the books have been postponed as ?something? has come to light?  Sounds like a bit more than legal issues?

 &%+((£

I hear NGB has offered to look at Mike's new miraculous find that is 'going to bring Bamber home'! Caroline thinks Tesco should send it ti NGB!

We all wait with baited breath ..... will Tesko sent the statement to NGB?

(Of course he fecking won't because it's just another Tesko lie. I just want to know what Caroline will do when this bullcrap is exposed as yet another Tesko lie?)
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: Tim Invictus on August 31, 2014, 07:42:40 PM
How can Tesko get out of sending the phantom Stan Jones Statement to NGB?

I think he is going to have to get all shouty and sweary at anyone and everyone. "YOU CAN ALL f..k OFF IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME"! Then perhaps he does not trust anyone and will only "HAND OVER THE STATEMENT IN PERSON TO JEREMY"! Knowing full well Bamber thinks he is a mentalist and wants nowt to do with him!

How will this saga end?

Caroline, Abs, Patty .... don't just let it drop girls .... find out if your forum owner is indeed a lying shythouse?
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: Tim Invictus on August 31, 2014, 07:51:10 PM
What about April ... she is a Global Moderator .... does she mind being lied to?

And what about NGB himself .... he pays for the forum. I wonder if an ex-barrister will mind being lied to by an ex-burglar?

 &%+((£
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: Holly Goodhead on August 31, 2014, 11:01:10 PM
How can Tesko get out of sending the phantom Stan Jones Statement to NGB?

I think he is going to have to get all shouty and sweary at anyone and everyone. "YOU CAN ALL f..k OFF IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME"! Then perhaps he does not trust anyone and will only "HAND OVER THE STATEMENT IN PERSON TO JEREMY"! Knowing full well Bamber thinks he is a mentalist and wants nowt to do with him!

How will this saga end?

Caroline, Abs, Patty .... don't just let it drop girls .... find out if your forum owner is indeed a lying shythouse?

Good evening young man  8(0(*

I don't think anyone takes him seriously.  He rarely contributes to the threads of others and vice versa.  If his posting style is indicative of his sex life I think we can safely assume he is a habitual w........

I thought he sent the photo of SC on the bed with one bullet wound to JB via the post and it was lost en route!!!!!!!!!!!!  No doubt whatever it is from DS Jones will go the same way!!!!!!!!!!

I think NGB funds the forum and it seems clear that the Angel of the North calls the shots!!!!!!!!!!  I guess they feel some sort of obligation to MT for kicking it off, uploading all the docs etc.  In reality they would probably like to offload him F-A-S-T.

I have nothing against MT over his past per se.  I've worked with enough of the 'great and good' in financial services to know that there's a very fine line between them and MT.  What gets up my nose with MT is his BS on Blue and taking posters as fools.

Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: Tim Invictus on August 31, 2014, 11:26:33 PM
Good evening young man  8(0(*

I don't think anyone takes him seriously.  He rarely contributes to the threads of others and vice versa.  If his posting style is indicative of his sex life I think we can safely assume he is a habitual w........

I thought he sent the photo of SC on the bed with one bullet wound to JB via the post and it was lost en route!!!!!!!!!!!!  No doubt whatever it is from DS Jones will go the same way!!!!!!!!!!

I think NGB funds the forum and it seems clear that the Angel of the North calls the shots!!!!!!!!!!  I guess they feel some sort of obligation to MT for kicking it off, uploading all the docs etc.  In reality they would probably like to offload him F-A-S-T.

I have nothing against MT over his past per se.  I've worked with enough of the 'great and good' in financial services to know that there's a very fine line between them and MT.  What gets up my nose with MT is his BS on Blue and taking posters as fools.

Oh I agree Tesko is of no significance whatsoever but I want to know if Tesko is lying about evidence yet again, are NGB and the very few decent ladies of that forum going to just 'swallow and ignore' for the umpteenth time?

If he is lying again NGB should put Tesko out to grass. Or we could have a whip round for a one-way ticket to Dignitas .... do the world a favour!
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: Holly Goodhead on September 03, 2014, 07:19:03 PM
You did, didn't you, ngb. You used her like an attack dog. You allowed her to tell everyone my name. You sad f.....g loser.

I wouldn't  have done it to you. Shame on you.

He did the same to me directly or indirectly puglove.  The only posters who had my full id, aside past and present mods/admin on Blue, were Bridget, Patti and Susan.  I am 99.9% certain none of them would discuss my id with others and/or post on here under my authentic id.  As far as I am concerned NGB appointed mods/admin who were incapable of taking seriously their obligations under DPA:

http://ico.org.uk/for_organisations/guidance_index/~/media/documents/library/Data_Protection/Detailed_specialist_guides/social-networking-and-online-forums-dpa-guidance.ashx

I am not unduly concerned re the above but nevertheless he has treated me appallingly in many respects and the day of reckoning is looming large for the learned one  ?>)()< 
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: puglove on September 03, 2014, 09:04:00 PM
He did the same to me directly or indirectly puglove.  The only posters who had my full id, aside past and present mods/admin on Blue, were Bridget, Patti and Susan.  I am 99.9% certain none of them would discuss my id with others and/or post on here under my authentic id.  As far as I am concerned NGB appointed mods/admin who were incapable of taking seriously their obligations under DPA:

http://ico.org.uk/for_organisations/guidance_index/~/media/documents/library/Data_Protection/Detailed_specialist_guides/social-networking-and-online-forums-dpa-guidance.ashx

I am not unduly concerned re the above but nevertheless he has treated me appallingly in many respects and the day of reckoning is looming large for the learned one  ?>)()<

Hmm. He also enabled the vicious hounding and bullying of Simon Hall's bereaved family and friends, which was truly horrible to witness. I'm ashamed at how I misjudged him.
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: puglove on September 03, 2014, 09:12:45 PM
Think Andrea, you and me should arrange a girls w.e on the SE coast and take a little trip to you know where to take the learned one in hand!  We will pin him down and comb him over to the right - that will really freak him out   @)(++(*  @)(++(* @)(++(*

Right off for a tapas and some live music.  Catch ya later.

Ho ho!! See you, duck!! I've been sitting outside with BT and a bottle of Bacardi, watching the swallows turn into bats, which is about as exciting as it gets in Cirrohsis By The Sea!! Hope I don't dream about combing over, and wake up next to BT looking like Hitler!!
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: puglove on September 03, 2014, 09:38:39 PM
On a serious note I agree.

When I joined Blue I was new to social media, forums etc.  I visited as a guest for about a year and thought that it would be a semi-decent place having a non-practicing communist (I once referred to him as an "ex-barrister" and he corrected me ie "non-practicing") barrister as admin.  I was wrong  8(8-))

When I joined blue, I had no idea about forums, or even how to use a computer. It was a rainy Sunday afternoon, and I was dicking about trying to use google, and I came across a load of pictures of trees and crap (Mike), I think it was something called "flickr", and suddenly there was a picture of Sheila. And I realised, with a shock that felt like a punch, that everything I'd taken for granted for 25 years was bollocks. Sheila clearly didn't kill anyone, and hadn't killed herself. So, I managed to join the blue forum, and asked Mike why there was no blood on the phone, when Ralph had to be injured before he called Bamber. To be fair, Mike was kind and helpful, and I got sucked in. And, 4 years later, I'm still here. But I'm tougher now, I've grown a few skins. And Scipio has been absolutely brilliant. However many times someone tries to catch him out, he comes back with a lucid reply. You just can't beat him.
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: puglove on September 03, 2014, 10:21:17 PM
I was going to make a smart-arsed post about Mike and his silly imaginary crap about Stan Jones, Ali Bongo and Agent Z, "Come and get me, Mr Mike" and Misty the wonder-dog finding Keith Bennett. But it would be a pyrrhic victory.

I'm sorry, Mike, but you've made Bamber look more guilty than ever. And a right mug. And, seriously, if you ever think about burgling my house, I WILL shoot your fat little legs off.

 8((()*/
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: Tim Invictus on September 03, 2014, 10:28:38 PM
When I joined blue, I had no idea about forums, or even how to use a computer. It was a rainy Sunday afternoon, and I was dicking about trying to use google, and I came across a load of pictures of trees and crap (Mike), I think it was something called "flickr", and suddenly there was a picture of Sheila. And I realised, with a shock that felt like a punch, that everything I'd taken for granted for 25 years was bollocks. Sheila clearly didn't kill anyone, and hadn't killed herself. So, I managed to join the blue forum, and asked Mike why there was no blood on the phone, when Ralph had to be injured before he called Bamber. To be fair, Mike was kind and helpful, and I got sucked in. And, 4 years later, I'm still here. But I'm tougher now, I've grown a few skins. And Scipio has been absolutely brilliant. However many times someone tries to catch him out, he comes back with a lucid reply. You just can't beat him.

That sounds like you took it for granted for 25 years Bamber was innocent!

I have never for a micro second thought Bamber was anything but guilty. Since Bamber was exposed on all the headlines for trying to sell those porn photos of 'Bambi' he has been a 'wrong un' in my book. After that it took nothing more than a cursory review of the facts to realise 'Bambi' just couldn't have committed those murders. Ergo Bamber is guilty.

I did wonder for a brief moment if I could possibly be wrong when a certain ex-barrister was telling everyone the new proof of Bamber's innocence was compelling! I mean you do tend to take legal professionals at their word. What a totally embarrassing charade that turned out to be!
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: scipio_usmc on September 06, 2014, 04:41:17 PM
Oh I agree Tesko is of no significance whatsoever but I want to know if Tesko is lying about evidence yet again, are NGB and the very few decent ladies of that forum going to just 'swallow and ignore' for the umpteenth time?

If he is lying again NGB should put Tesko out to grass. Or we could have a whip round for a one-way ticket to Dignitas .... do the world a favour!

Upon being challenged to produce the evidence Mike changed the subject so that answers that...

There is a pretty big disconnect on that site between Jeremy supporters.

Most of Jeremy's supporters do not want to deal with the evidence tha tconvicted him and for the most part don't discuss such much.  Instead there is an effort to try to pretend he is inncoent by other means than disproving the main evidence against him.

Mike is the main exception.  He is the only one willing to discuss the major evidence and to try to refute it.  Unfortunately since he has no valid way to refute it he resorts to made up claims and evidence some of which were allegations made years earlier that were disproved or at lest never substantiated.  He has taken to substantiating allegations with made up evidence.

It would be nice if the debate there centered more on the main evidence without made up evidence of bodies being in different locations and so forth added in.



Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: puglove on September 06, 2014, 11:50:25 PM
Sniffybutts Kennels, Leeds.

Dear Mr. Tesko.

It is with huge regret that we have to tell you that "Misty" has escaped from her pen. But...she did leave a note, intimating that she is heading for Saddleworth Moor. We have also informed Agent Z and Ali Bongo.

Love, licks and Monster Munch,

Rover.     Woof.
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: puglove on September 07, 2014, 12:48:12 AM
Come on then, Mike. Tell me why Sheila's prints aren't plastered all over the gun?
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: puglove on September 07, 2014, 12:54:24 AM
Come on then, Mike. Tell me why Sheila's prints aren't plastered all over the gun?

She shot the boys.And Ralph. And June. Then, herself.







Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: puglove on September 07, 2014, 01:20:15 AM
Come quick, your sister has gone crazy with a gun.


 &%+((£
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: Myster on September 07, 2014, 07:56:49 AM
Come on then, Mike. Tell me why Sheila's prints aren't plastered all over the gun?
Isn't it obvious pugsy? ... she washed them off with Sunlight soap and water in the shower while ritually cleansing.  8(8-))
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: puglove on September 07, 2014, 09:12:52 AM
Isn't it obvious pugsy? ... she washed them off with Sunlight soap and water in the shower while ritually cleansing.  8(8-))

Yes, of course! Thank you, Myster, the SOBER voice of reason!!   8@??)(

Anyhoo, better get a wriggle on. If I put the sprouts on now, they should be nice and mushy by lunchtime!

 8((()*/
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: Holly Goodhead on September 07, 2014, 12:07:51 PM
In answer to the thread title it's the end of Jackie Preece for 24 hours.  NGB has imposed a temporary ban for apparently attacking admin/mods along with a warning that it will be made permanent if she posts attacks elsewhere.  She certainly got away with far more than I did.  Its not fair  8)><( 8)><( 8)><(

Go on Jackie I dare you...





Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: Holly Goodhead on September 07, 2014, 12:14:41 PM
Oh and its the end of Misty's owner for 10 days.  He's apparently off to Eire.  No doubt come back with even more baloney.  Misty is going in kennels. 

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5790.msg256383.html#msg256383

Mike have a good one.  Stay cool on the Guniness  8((()*/
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: puglove on September 07, 2014, 01:37:52 PM
In answer to the thread title it's the end of Jackie Preece for 24 hours.  NGB has imposed a temporary ban for apparently attacking admin/mods along with a warning that it will be made permanent if she posts attacks elsewhere.  She certainly got away with far more than I did.  Its not fair  8)><( 8)><( 8)><(

Go on Jackie I dare you...

I'm not surprised that Jackie is feeling pissed off, when 98% of the Jeremy Bamber Forum believe Bamber to be guilty.

I never thought I'd see the day.     &%&£(+
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: Holly Goodhead on September 07, 2014, 02:33:48 PM
I'm not surprised that Jackie is feeling pissed off, when 98% of the Jeremy Bamber Forum believe Bamber to be guilty.

I never thought I'd see the day.     &%&£(+

But do they REALLY?  8(0(* 
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: puglove on September 07, 2014, 04:05:07 PM
But do they REALLY?  8(0(*

Yes, I think they do REALLY!! I think that Scipio bent them over and gave them all a sound, metaphorical spanking, they were grateful and saw the error of their ways.

And you'll be next, Miss G!!       8**8:/:
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: Holly Goodhead on September 07, 2014, 10:36:50 PM
Yes, I think they do REALLY!! I think that Scipio bent them over and gave them all a sound, metaphorical spanking, they were grateful and saw the error of their ways.

And you'll be next, Miss G!!       8**8:/:

 @)(++(*

According to Scipio on the Amityville Horror forum he has pretty much smashed my claims to pieces  8)><(

"The main Jeremy supporter on the red board is Holly (who exchanges letters with Bamber) but she doesn't post much in detail anymore because I pretty much smashed her claims to pieces. So things will probably get dull there too now. If the blue board would approve my membership then some real sparks would fly but I don't see that happening"

http://www.amityvillefaq.com/truthboard/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1771&start=3087
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: jackiepreece on September 08, 2014, 01:11:03 PM
In answer to the thread title it's the end of Jackie Preece for 24 hours.  NGB has imposed a temporary ban for apparently attacking admin/mods along with a warning that it will be made permanent if she posts attacks elsewhere.  She certainly got away with far more than I did.  Its not fair  8)><( 8)><( 8)><(

Go on Jackie I dare you...

Messaged you Hun xxx
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: Tim Invictus on September 08, 2014, 03:14:53 PM
Messaged you Hun xxx

Jackie shouldn't be allowed to use this forum as her substitute when she gets banned at Tesco's! That's taking the piss!
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: sika on September 08, 2014, 10:23:30 PM
Jackie shouldn't be allowed to use this forum as her substitute when she gets banned at Tesco's! That's taking the piss!
Exactly what I thought.  I'm sure she's only allowed on here for comedic value.
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: Holly Goodhead on September 12, 2014, 09:43:32 AM
The normal sanctimony emanating from Blue.

A poster from Red posted up authentic names for 2 Blue posters, without I hasten to add any reference to their user names.  Yet the Red poster had her authentic name AND user name posted together on Blue AND the post was not swiftly removed despite Blue admin/mods being made aware of the post.  

The recent post on Red was removed by a Blue poster who is able to mod on Red (Mat) along with another couple of posts, one of which referred to NGB as a liar.  Lol remind me how many times a day Scipio refers to posters on Blue as lliars?  

The posts were removed and that should be the end of the matter but no Angel of the North always looking to assert her authority sends Mat back over to remove another post which did not break any forum rules.  This is the reason Mat did not remove the post first time around.  The post simply made reference to the fact that Lookout posts as though she knows JB personally and the poster asked her to stop doing it.  

Then we have a big fanfare from other Blue posters.  May I suggest you  get Blue  in order before you caste aspersions elsewhere.  

Angel of the North lets be quite clear here YOU ARE NOT moderating this board from afar based on whims. 
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: puglove on September 12, 2014, 10:24:06 AM
The normal sanctimony emanating from Blue.

A poster from Red posted up authentic names for 2 Blue posters, without I hasten to add any reference to their user names.  Yet the Red poster had her authentic name AND user name posted together on Blue AND the post was not swiftly removed despite Blue admin/mods being made aware of the post. 

The recent post on Red was removed by a Blue poster who is able to mod on Red (Mat) along with another couple of posts, one of which referred to NGB as a liar.  Lol remind me how many times a day Scipio refers to posters on Blue as lliars? 

The posts were removed and that should be the end of the matter but no Angel of the North always looking to assert her authority sends Mat back over to remove another post which did not break any forum rules.  This is the reason Mat did not remove the post first time around.  The post simply made reference to the fact that Lookout posts as though she knows JB personally and the poster asked her to stop doing it. 

Then we have a big fanfare from other Blue posters.  May I suggest you  get Blue  in order before you caste aspersions elsewhere. 

Angel of the North lets be quite clear here YOU ARE NOT moderating this board from afar based on whims.

Ooh er, have I missed some excitement?

My identity hasn't been a secret since ngb allowed (I'm sure "encouraged" would be too strong a word) Mad Mrs H to plaster it all over the blue forum. And Mat, I'm truly sorry if I've caused you earache.... 8(8-))

And to all you blueys who might be of a sensitive disposition....probably best not to look on here on Saturday night!!      8)-)))

Catch you all later!       8((()*/
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: Tim Invictus on September 12, 2014, 11:56:45 AM
In vino veritas Pugsy!  8@??)(
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: Holly Goodhead on September 12, 2014, 01:13:20 PM
Cooee Angel of the North

I picked up on the noun but I forgot you take exception to the adjective fat.  Silly me how could I possibly have forgotten that you banned me for a week as I teased Susan about her childhood puppy fat!  I can't believe you object to the adjective fcuking given your own posts re p*ssing on Jackie Preece's chips and the torrent of foul language that emanates from MT's mouth!

I don't need to be a mod, or orchestrate anything, to state the obvious ie YOU ARE NOT moderating this forum from afar based on whims.  I don't think you, or anyone on Blue, would take kindly if admin on Red sent links to Abs asking her to delete posts on Blue based simply on a whim.  I don't think anyone has any issue with anyone removing posts that break forum rules which is what Mat did initially.   


 

Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: Holly Goodhead on September 12, 2014, 01:56:42 PM
Cooee Angel of the North

I can quite imagine that you have difficulty remembering why you asked for posts to be removed given that they are whimsical in nature.  You then result to your default position in getting personal and insulting by referring to my post as "rambling".

I am fully aware of what arrangements are in place between Blue and Red and it does not extend to posts being removed based on whims.

Given that I am a regular poster on the Bamber board and off-topic and Mat isn't I will suggest to John that I am tasked with moderating the Bamber board  ?>)()<
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: Holly Goodhead on September 12, 2014, 03:11:45 PM
Cooee Angel of the North

Of course you know everything!  You even knew I was poster "Toni" and you now know that I've put myself forward for the sole purpose of hampering cross board relationships.  I think John is astute enough to make an informed decision without your input, but thank you for the feedback  ?>)()< 
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: ActualMat on September 12, 2014, 03:32:44 PM
When people use real names it makes me feel uncomfortable, they needed to be removed. If you want me un-modded and you modded HG feel free to suggest that.
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: Holly Goodhead on September 12, 2014, 03:59:19 PM
When people use real names it makes me feel uncomfortable, they needed to be removed. If you want me un-modded and you modded HG feel free to suggest that.

Mat I agree 100%.  Revealing a posters authentic id is a clear breach of forum rules.  It also breaches the data protection act which forums are obliged to comply with.

I have no particular desire to be a mod but since I post regularly on the Bamber board it would make sense and I have suggested such to John.
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: Holly Goodhead on September 12, 2014, 04:31:01 PM
Cooee NGB

I haven't seen any posts here that fit your description other than those Mat has already removed.  If you think otherwise may I suggest you email me (you have my address - if not Susan will have it) and I will take up with John and Myster but I am not going to get in the business of micro-managing whether I am a mod or not.  My reference point will always be the published forum rules.  I agree with Harters' sentiments in that if posters are overly sensitive to a bit of 'banter' perhaps forums are not the place for them.  ?{)(**

I have received numerous personal 'attacks' from Lookout and Scipio on Blue and Red questioning my mental health and emotional/psychological stability simply based on the fact that I am adopted and introduced adoption to some of my posts.  I have never complained to a mod; no poster defended me and the posts remain.   

 

Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: ActualMat on September 12, 2014, 06:23:37 PM
NGB has requested that posts with his his name/username be removed - so I've trimmed the topic.
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: Holly Goodhead on September 13, 2014, 05:00:27 PM
NGB has requested that posts with his his name/username be removed - so I've trimmed the topic.

Thanks Mat  8((()*/  I don't think John has been around much of late.  I assume a busy life away from the forum.  I am sure he will be grateful for your endeavours in averting WW3!

Personally I struggle to take NGB seriously when he uses emotive language like "spewing hatred and bile".  It would suffice to say that the post(s) broke forum rules without the need for melo-drama.  It should be obvious to most that the poster in question simply gets carried away in the small hours having necked one too many of the tipple of the day.  Hatred is a powerful emotion and being acquainted with the poster in question I doubt very much that the poster could be moved to any extreme emotion by anything or anyone on either forum.  ?{)(**
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: John on September 13, 2014, 05:29:18 PM
Thanks for sorting the board out Mat, I wish someone would post my real name.   @)(++(*
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: puglove on September 13, 2014, 10:02:14 PM
Thanks Mat  8((()*/  I don't think John has been around much of late.  I assume a busy life away from the forum.  I am sure he will be grateful for your endeavours in averting WW3!

Personally I struggle to take NGB seriously when he uses emotive language like "spewing hatred and bile".  It would suffice to say that the post(s) broke forum rules without the need for melo-drama.  It should be obvious to most that the poster in question simply gets carried away in the small hours having necked one too many of the tipple of the day.  Hatred is a powerful emotion and being acquainted with the poster in question I doubt very much that the poster could be moved to any extreme emotion by anything or anyone on either forum.  ?{)(**

I'm taking one of my regular sabbaticals from reading the blue forum, but I presume Pigling Bland is writing about me?

I've always found it intriguing how much my opinion seems to matter to him.      &%+((£
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: puglove on September 13, 2014, 10:47:27 PM
I'm taking one of my regular sabbaticals from reading the blue forum, but I presume Pigling Bland is writing about me?

I've always found it intriguing how much my opinion seems to matter to him.      &%+((£
www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xGmx4K81Hc
A song for you, Pigling.

Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: Holly Goodhead on September 14, 2014, 07:13:36 PM
Cooee NGB

I had hoped that we could draw a bit of a line under all of this but perhaps not  &%+((£

If you are referring to me in your post as follows I can assure you that you are wrong.  I have engaged in about half a dozen pm's with Jackie Preece and I can categorically state that I have made no reference to the word  knitting whatsoever other than on one occasion when I stated that I was banned over a post relating to Lookout and knitting and Susan's childhood puppy fat.  If you would like to identify a poster who we can both trust perhaps Abs or Patti, who are both members here and have both been mods on Blue, I am happy for them to read through my entire pm history to confirm.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5802.msg258204.html#msg258204

NGB I am seriously VERY disappointed in you.






Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: John on September 15, 2014, 04:06:27 PM
Cooee NGB

I had hoped that we could draw a bit of a line under all of this but perhaps not  &%+((£

If you are referring to me in your post as follows I can assure you that you are wrong.  I have engaged in about half a dozen pm's with Jackie Preece and I can categorically state that I have made no reference to the word  knitting whatsoever other than on one occasion when I stated that I was banned over a post relating to Lookout and knitting and Susan's childhood puppy fat.  If you would like to identify a poster who we can both trust perhaps Abs or Patti, who are both members here and have both been mods on Blue, I am happy for them to read through my entire pm history to confirm.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5802.msg258204.html#msg258204

NGB I am seriously VERY disappointed in you.

Jackie has sure put the fox into the chicken coop,   8@??)(  @)(++(*

Watch those feathers fly! 
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: Holly Goodhead on September 15, 2014, 05:28:38 PM
Jackie has sure put the fox into the chicken coop,   8@??)(  @)(++(*

Watch those feathers fly!

I gave up watching soaps yonks ago but the Blue has me gripped right now.  It's very entertaining!
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: Holly Goodhead on September 15, 2014, 06:03:40 PM
Cooee NGB

3 days ago you wanted to remind everyone about the "truce"

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3430.msg257552.html#msg257552

puglove posted a video link which conveyed an apt message "Let it go"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xGmx4K81Hc

Since then your behaviour has been anything but truce like.  You have accused me (without any evidence) of putting Jackie up to using knitting comments (see post above). 

Now today Abs has said that she doesn't like Blue anymore as she gets called nasty names and you have responded with:

"Do you prefer the mild mannered tone of a group of regular posters on the red forum?"

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5802.msg258548.html?PHPSESSID=7d60421f49f7ac8d9a4aea3aa1f96934#msg258548

May I suggest once again that you take a long hard look at the forum you moderate before casting aspersions elsewhere   *&(+(+
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: Holly Goodhead on September 21, 2014, 09:35:46 PM
Cooee Reader

Best wishes in your role as mod on Blue. 

I think most of us admire and respect you for the quality of your posts and ability to remain impartial   8((()*/
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: Tim Invictus on September 21, 2014, 10:13:41 PM
I hear Mad Jackie and Frizzy are back causing havoc on the BamberLostHope forum  8)--))

You do wonder what 'relations' these two utter mentalists have with the defacto forum owner that allows them to attack and lir aboit other forum members with impunity! Perhaps discounts are offered or the odd 'freebe''!

I don't know which party is the saddest! *&*%£
Title: Two mods resign as Tesko has another encounter!
Post by: John on September 21, 2014, 10:19:56 PM
Yes, it is a recurring theme over on blue as two moderators resign leaving the forum in crisis once more.  A dispute involving Caroline and Jackie relating to Paul Harrison (who by the way has been banned on blue now for threatening ngb) has spilled over onto other threads with April and Caroline resigning.

Meanwhile, Tesko has been on his hols to Kenmare in the Irish Republic where he met many interesting people including a chat with one old man whom he describes as Saint Padre Pio who died in 1968.  Yes, I kid you not, reminds me of Ali Bongo and the agent Z nonsense.  Previously it was a walk in the woods with symbolic cloud formations but now it is stone circles.  @)(++(*

Déjà vu anyone?

ps And to top it all he's been in yet another car accident.   8)><(
Title: Re: Two mods resign as Tesko has another encounter!
Post by: Tim Invictus on September 22, 2014, 01:32:05 AM
Yes, it is a recurring theme over on blue as two moderators resign leaving the forum in crisis once more.  A dispute involving Caroline and Jackie relating to Paul Harrison (who by the way has been banned on blue now for threatening ngb) has spilled over onto other threads with April and Caroline resigning.

Meanwhile, Tesko has been on his hols to Kenmare in the Irish Republic where he met many interesting people including a chat with one old man whom he describes as Saint Padre Pio who died in 1968.  Yes, I kid you not, reminds me of Ali Bongo and the agent Z nonsense.  Previously it was a walk in the woods with symbolic cloud formations but now it is stone circles.  @)(++(*

Déjà vu anyone?

ps And to top it all he's been in yet another car accident.   8)><(

I am surprised Tesco is allowed to drive  what with his brain tumour! Or perhaps he was misdiagnosed and it was a just brain fart after all! Did the old burglar have time to find Shergar whilst visiting the Emerald Isle?

John I hope you're not letting Cloe23 post here again when the powers that be at Tesco's get bored with her 'telephone manner' and ban her for life .... yet again?
Title: Re: Two mods resign as Tesko has another encounter!
Post by: Holly Goodhead on September 22, 2014, 04:05:42 PM
Yes, it is a recurring theme over on blue as two moderators resign leaving the forum in crisis once more.  A dispute involving Caroline and Jackie relating to Paul Harrison (who by the way has been banned on blue now for threatening ngb) has spilled over onto other threads with April and Caroline resigning.

Meanwhile, Tesko has been on his hols to Kenmare in the Irish Republic where he met many interesting people including a chat with one old man whom he describes as Saint Padre Pio who died in 1968.  Yes, I kid you not, reminds me of Ali Bongo and the agent Z nonsense.  Previously it was a walk in the woods with symbolic cloud formations but now it is stone circles.  @)(++(*

Déjà vu anyone?

ps And to top it all he's been in yet another car accident.   8)><(

I can see a visit to whiplashinjurylawyersrus on the horizon  &%+((£
Title: Re: Two mods resign as Tesko has another encounter!
Post by: John on September 24, 2014, 01:15:47 PM
I am surprised Tesco is allowed to drive  what with his brain tumour! Or perhaps he was misdiagnosed and it was a just brain fart after all! Did the old burglar have time to find Shergar whilst visiting the Emerald Isle?

John I hope you're not letting Cloe23 post here again when the powers that be at Tesco's get bored with her 'telephone manner' and ban her for life .... yet again?

He apparently was asleep at the time as a passenger.  Cloe23?
Title: Re: Two mods resign as Tesko has another encounter!
Post by: John on September 24, 2014, 01:16:59 PM
I can see a visit to whiplashinjurylawyersrus on the horizon  &%+((£

or Lawyers4Us
Title: Re: Two mods resign as Tesko has another encounter!
Post by: Holly Goodhead on September 24, 2014, 10:23:23 PM
or Lawyers4Us

Oh yes it's always 4them  8(0(*
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: puglove on December 22, 2014, 12:33:19 PM
Oh brilliant!! Bamber's had a lovely song written for him!! (Sometimes I think the blue forum is there just for my entertainment!)    @)(++(*

If I start a Christmas poem, would anyone like to carry it on? Myster?


Twas the night before Sproutmas
And deep in the jail
Old Jeremy Bamber
Was reading his mail.

A nice card from Mike
"Hope your freedom's no rumour!"
And a photo of Misty-dog
Sniffing his tumour.

A small card from Roch
"Christmas bells, hope you ring 'em!"
And "Happy Bar Mitzvah!"
(That was from Mingham).

A small, stale mince pie
Squashed like it was knelt on
And a second-hand truss.
"Love and kisses, G. Belton."


Please feel free, anyone!
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: APRIL on December 22, 2014, 01:37:11 PM
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Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: Holly Goodhead on December 22, 2014, 02:30:52 PM
Oh brilliant!! Bamber's had a lovely song written for him!! (Sometimes I think the blue forum is there just for my entertainment!)    @)(++(*

If I start a Christmas poem, would anyone like to carry it on? Myster?


Twas the night before Sproutmas
And deep in the jail
Old Jeremy Bamber
Was reading his mail.

A nice card from Mike
"Hope your freedom's no rumour!"
And a photo of Misty-dog
Sniffing his tumour.

A small card from Roch
"Christmas bells, hope you ring 'em!"
And "Happy Bar Mitzvah!"
(That was from Mingham).

A small, stale mince pie
Squashed like it was knelt on
And a second-hand truss.
"Love and kisses, G. Belton."


Please feel free, anyone!

 @)(++(*

 8@??)(

You put Carol Ann Duffy in the shade!  I think any addition from me would be quite woeful by comparison  8)><(
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: puglove on December 22, 2014, 03:08:16 PM
@)(++(*

 8@??)(

You put Carol Ann Duffy in the shade!  I think any addition from me would be quite woeful by comparison  8)><(

From Lookout
A condom from 1907
And a promise
Of OAP sexual heaven.

And Mertol's done well!
Look at this ebay find
A betamax copy
Of Gone With The Wind.  (ouch!)

I don't think Carol Ann Duffy's got much to worry about, Holl.    8(8-))
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: APRIL on December 22, 2014, 04:12:55 PM
Season's greetings.


















Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: puglove on December 22, 2014, 06:59:39 PM
Season's greetings.

Happy Christmas, April.    8((()*/

Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: Holly Goodhead on December 22, 2014, 07:57:44 PM
What happened to the 'poem' in post #65? 

Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: puglove on December 22, 2014, 08:58:34 PM
APRIL
Newbie
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Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????

« Reply #65 on: Today at 04:12:55 PM »]

'Tis the season to be jolly
Fal la la, la la la, la la la
This is so for Pugs and Holly
Fal la la, la la la, la la la
They are friends but will not mingle
Fa la la, la la la, la la la
Guess they do not like my jingles
Fa la la, la la la, la la la.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Greetings to all less 3 witches
all absolute bitches
not forgetting Nelly
with his burgeoning belly
they banned naughty nun just for fun

 8)><( 8)><( 8)><( 8)><(

A crap gift from Nelly
(Though he's rich as Croesus)
A jigsaw of kittens
With 2 missing pieces.

While Jeremy sucks
On a grey, mushy sprout
He knows he's got Buckley's
Of e'er getting out.
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: Tim Invictus on December 23, 2014, 08:07:23 AM
I am trying to rythme the word 'barrister' with 'cupid stunt' and to round it off with 'bent as a nine bob note'! Or is this post contemptuous enough now with out the need for the rythming!
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: Lucy70 on December 23, 2014, 01:58:02 PM
Oh brilliant!! Bamber's had a lovely song written for him!! (Sometimes I think the blue forum is there just for my entertainment!)    @)(++(*

If I start a Christmas poem, would anyone like to carry it on? Myster?


Twas the night before Sproutmas
And deep in the jail
Old Jeremy Bamber
Was reading his mail

A nice card from Mike
"Hope your freedom's no rumour!"
And a photo of Misty-dog
Sniffing his tumour.

A small card from Roch
"Christmas bells, hope you ring 'em!"
And "Happy Bar Mitzvah!"
(That was from Mingham).

A small, stale mince pie
Squashed like it was knelt on
And a second-hand truss.
"Love and kisses, G. Belton."


Please feel free, anyone!

That's hilarious Shona!! :))
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: puglove on September 04, 2016, 08:13:55 AM
A message for the self righteous dog-loather on blue.

Look. I won't mention the deep doodoo you got yourself into on another forum. What I will say is.....you're obviously housebound so, instead of endlessly and cruelly insulting June, why don't you use your time by making a concerted effort to do some actual research, and also order all of the relevant books from Amazon or Bookfinder? If you lived in a more salubrious area I'd lend you mine, but i don't fancy them ending up being exchanged for a couple of bags of crack.

 ?{)(**
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: puglove on October 21, 2017, 10:50:24 PM
Oh my goodness, the blue forum has been PRICELESS tonight! I didn't expect daft (or maybe not so daft?) susan to be the mole - I thought it would turn out to be randy old Colly Cropper!

And Nelly, you have REALLY lowered the bar tonight. (Little bit of barrister humour there!) Don't forget that Gladys Beltdown blew the gaff years ago when he bragged that, as admin, he could read pms! AND, the first time a pm was ever posted onto a forum was when Gladys posted one of mine - he was hoping to look like a hero but ended up looking like a dick.

 8((()*/

Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: ActualMat on October 21, 2017, 11:07:44 PM
Oh my goodness, the blue forum has been PRICELESS tonight! I didn't expect daft (or maybe not so daft?) susan to be the mole - I thought it would turn out to be randy old Colly Cropper!

And Nelly, you have REALLY lowered the bar tonight. (Little bit of barrister humour there!) Don't forget that Gladys Beltdown blew the gaff years ago when he bragged that, as admin, he could read pms! AND, the first time a pm was ever posted onto a forum was when Gladys posted one of mine - he was hoping to look like a hero but ended up looking like a dick.

 8((()*/


Problem is - when I posted the PM from Susan...... it was deleted. They want to sit and pretend it was from Hall. When I've shown it was from Susan years ago.

If by cropper you mean Keira.... The PM shows that it was KEIRA who told Susan. (I'd forgotten that part.)
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: puglove on October 21, 2017, 11:20:23 PM

Problem is - when I posted the PM from Susan...... it was deleted. They want to sit and pretend it was from Hall. When I've shown it was from Susan years ago.

If by cropper you mean Keira.... The PM shows that it was KEIRA who told Susan. (I'd forgotten that part.)

Hallo you!! I saw the pm. Even before I hit the Bacardi I struggled to make head or tail of it. I hope she's not in charge of heavy machinery.

We ALL know what's going on. It's sad and wanky. And nothing to do with Bamber. Just silly politics. Nelly should know better, and get more manly. What a weird hobby for a grown man.

 &%&£(+
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: ActualMat on October 21, 2017, 11:23:21 PM
Hallo you!! I saw the pm. Even before I hit the Bacardi I struggled to make head or tail of it. I hope she's not in charge of heavy machinery.

We ALL know what's going on. It's sad and wanky. And nothing to do with Bamber. Just silly politics. Nelly should know better, and get more manly. What a weird hobby for a grown man.

 &%&£(+

Am glad you saw it.  8(0(*
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: puglove on October 21, 2017, 11:26:45 PM
Am glad you saw it.  8(0(*

Well, you know....it's Saturday night, BT and the pugs are snoring in front of the boxing, I'm feeling a bit bored and cheeky.....

I've missed you! I bet your 2 boys are huge now!!
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: ActualMat on October 21, 2017, 11:28:20 PM
Well, you know....it's Saturday night, BT and the pugs are snoring in front of the boxing, I'm feeling a bit bored and cheeky.....

I've missed you! I bet your 2 boys are huge now!!

1 boy and a dog!

I've been back a while.  But I do wonder why. I had to scroll back through page after page of PM to find what I was looking for. I've seen some corkers and saved them.  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: puglove on October 21, 2017, 11:37:24 PM
1 boy and a dog!

I've been back a while.  But I do wonder why. I had to scroll back through page after page of PM to find what I was looking for. I've seen some corkers and saved them.  @)(++(*

I love that you're back, but you're right. Like Holl says, it's a bad habit that you should leave behind. For me, it's so distant from my real life, it's sort of a relief. Something I do to keep my brain ticking over, instead of shovelling poo and caring for critters who have been dumped by idiots. It's either this, or have a pop at crack.
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: ActualMat on October 21, 2017, 11:45:51 PM
I love that you're back, but you're right. Like Holl says, it's a bad habit that you should leave behind. For me, it's so distant from my real life, it's sort of a relief. Something I do to keep my brain ticking over, instead of shovelling poo and caring for critters who have been dumped by idiots. It's either this, or have a pop at crack.

I think I should leave it behind again, go out with a bang this time though. It wasn't difficult not posting. There are some weird people on forums aren't there.
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: puglove on October 21, 2017, 11:52:14 PM
I think I should leave it behind again, go out with a bang this time though. It wasn't difficult not posting. There are some weird people on forums aren't there.

Ho ho!! Such a massive bunch of fruitbats!! At least we all know now that Nelly's facade of mild-mannered respectability is just that. A facade. A veneer. A dodgy rug atop a shiny egg.

It's good to know that you're still out there. You, Tim and bob always made my life nicer.

XXXXXX
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: Andrea on October 28, 2017, 10:14:03 PM
Hello folks, what have i missed?
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: puglove on October 29, 2017, 12:18:05 AM
Hello folks, what have i missed?

Hmm. Let me think.

Mike Tesko solved every crime known to man and was awarded an MBE. Tim got me pregnant. Mertol won the lottery and bought a betamax. Gladys married a Cocker Spaniel. Lookout's laptop exploded so she washed her net curtains. Nelly had a hair transplant (failed). Susan was exposed as a highly intelligent double agent. A pug won Crufts. Debbie McGee won Strictly.

Apart from that.....not a lot.

 8((()*/
Title: Re: Is this the end of the mushy sprouts horror?????
Post by: Holly Goodhead on October 29, 2017, 10:25:36 PM
Hello folks, what have i missed?

I see a restaurant in your neck of the woods has been named the world's best rated restaurant:

http://www.blackswanoldstead.co.uk/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Swan,_Oldstead

The tasting menu includes crapaudine beetroot!  Crap a u dine  @)(++(*. In my ignorance I thought it was a p take but apparently not it's a type of beetroot which the Black Swan cooks in beef fat.