"Start by asking yourself what is a sceptic and work on from there"

[Sunny]

all the tpas witness statements are hearsay at best...imo

Are you serious Davel?  A witness statement is a witness statement given to the police so should at least be given the opportunity of being considered truthful unless there is another statement that contradicts it IMO.

[Mr Gray]

So I walked back err from the tennis courts, err back to err you know Kate and Gerry's apartment and the time you know looking at, you know we've looked obviously at photographs since then and you know the time that we've got that I was you know going to Kate's about six thirty, err and I went into their apartment through the patio doors. The three children were all you know dressed you know in their pyjamas, you know they looked immaculate, you know they were just like angels, they all looked so happy and well looked after and content and I said to Kate, you know it's a bit early for the you know, for the three of them to be going to bed, she said ah they've had such a great time, they're really tired and you know err so I say, you know I can't remember exactly what, what you know the night attire, what the children were wearing but white was the predominant err colour, but you know just to reinforce they were just so happy, you know seeing you know obviously Gerry wasn't there but they were just all, just so at peace and you know they looked like a family who'd had such a fantastic time and err yeah then I left there, went and got my stuff, went back to the tennis courts and then err there was me, Matt and Russell and I think Gerry played a little, for a little while but he decided that he'd, he'd played enough tennis for that day and err was going back and so it left with me, Russell and err Matt and err Dan who was the, the you know the tennis coach from Mark Warner.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAVID-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

He noticed the children were wearing "night attire" Davel but Kate's towel?

he doesnt mnetion kates towel here

[Robittybob1]

all the tpas witness statements are hearsay at best...imo

OK that can be your opinion but that is so wrong it isn't funny.

[Mr Gray]

Are you serious Davel?  A witness statement is a witness statement given to the police so should at least be given the opportunity of being considered truthful unless there is another statement that contradicts it IMO.

the mccanns do not speak portuguese ...the statementsare not verbatim or recorded in english and therefore their accuracy cannot be confirmed

[Sunny]

he doesnt mnetion kates towel here

No he doesn't which is the point Davel. Kate mentions her towel but he does not.

[Mr Gray]

OK that can be your opinion but that is so wrong it isn't funny.

it isnt wrong imo ...certainly wouldnt be accepted by a uk court

[Mr Gray]

No he doesn't which is the point Davel. Kate mentions her towel but he does not.

so the fact he doesnt mention it means what

[pathfinder73]

he doesnt mnetion kates towel here

00:41:00 1485 "Okay, so now what I'm gonna try and ask you to recollect, what everybody was wearing.'

 Reply "I'm afraid that is, you know I'm, I cannot recall at all. I know that's, you'd think that'd be an obvious thing to remember, I cannot remember. As I say the, from the children point of view predominantly I can remember the, you know, white, but I couldn't say exactly what they were wearing. Err''

1485 "But could you remember what Kate was wearing for example''

 Reply "I can't, no.'

1485 "And did you actually set eyes on each individual child''

 Reply "All three children I saw, yeah.'

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAVID-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

[Robittybob1]

the mccanns do not speak portuguese ...the statementsare not verbatim or recorded in english and therefore their accuracy cannot be confirmed

They used translators.  OK there might have been a few errors but you can't call them hearsay, or do you mean "as bad as hearsay"?  In that " they certainly wouldn't be accepted by a UK court" IYO.

[Sunny]

so the fact he doesnt mention it means what

This is a discussion for another thread Davel. Kate mentions she was wearing a towel and that David Payne didn't enter the apartment. David Payne doesn't mention she is wearing a towel and said he went into the apartment.

Payne said

they were just all, just so at peace and you know they looked like a family who'd had such a fantastic time

He definitely included Kate in the "family" as he makes a point of saying Gerry wasn't there.

You as a supporter find nothing strange about this of course.

[Robittybob1]

This is a discussion for another thread Davel. Kate mentions she was wearing a towel and that David Payne didn't enter the apartment. David Payne doesn't mention she is wearing a towel and said he went into the apartment.

Payne said

they were just all, just so at peace and you know they looked like a family who'd had such a fantastic time

He definitely included Kate in the "family" as he makes a point of saying Gerry wasn't there.

You as a supporter find nothing strange about this of course.

Certainly a discrepancy.

[Sunny]

00:41:00 1485 "Okay, so now what I'm gonna try and ask you to recollect, what everybody was wearing.'

 Reply "I'm afraid that is, you know I'm, I cannot recall at all. I know that's, you'd think that'd be an obvious thing to remember, I cannot remember. As I say the, from the children point of view predominantly I can remember the, you know, white, but I couldn't say exactly what they were wearing. Err''

1485 "But could you remember what Kate was wearing for example''

 Reply "I can't, no.'

1485 "And did you actually set eyes on each individual child''

 Reply "All three children I saw, yeah.'

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAVID-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

And of course that was recorded in English in England too so no lost in translation episodes.

[G-Unit]

all the tpas witness statements are hearsay at best...imo

The statements were taken in accordance with Portuguese law. Therefore they could be used as evidence by a Portuguese court.

[Miss Taken Identity]

And of course that was recorded in English in England too so no lost in translation episodes.

Unless they were interviewed by Brummies from birmingham! lol

 Seriously for them to be articulate doctors, and talk like that is so evident that something isn't quite as they claim IMO.

All he had to answer was. I went to the apartment  because... (we still don't know why he went to the apartment this is fuzzy as well) I saw all the children, all ready for bed, I saw kate , Gerry wasn't there.

 Was that very, very difficult to say? IF that is what actually happened? ppft!

What were they all wearing: the children were wearing night ware  and Kate,just out the shower, was wearing a  (name the colour) towel.

How many sentences was required?

[jassi]

Unless they were interviewed by Brummies from birmingham! lol

 Seriously for them to be articulate doctors, and talk like that is so evident that something isn't quite as they claim IMO.

All he had to answer was. I went to the apartment  because... (we still don't know why he went to the apartment this is fuzzy as well) I saw all the children, all ready for bed, I saw kate , Gerry wasn't there.

 Was that very, very difficult to say? IF that is what actually happened? ppft!

What were they all wearing: the children were wearing night ware  and Kate,just out the shower, was wearing a  (name the colour) towel.

How many sentences was required?

And all this after a year in which to  rehearse and get word perfect.