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Offline Stephanie

Re: The Lies of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #300 on: April 12, 2018, 09:22:20 PM »
A take it that this is where the myth was born that police were in conversation with someone inside the farmhouse?  Many thanks for clearing that up Caroline.  👍

Thankfully this fact, and others, has been well and truly cemented in the paper trail which forms the Jeremy Bamber convictions.

No amount of canniving or technicality hunting can break through the foundation that Bamber himself created and built upon over the years in order to fool his unsuspecting public.  8((()*/

His lies and behaviour since his conviction were and are his downfall. If he'd showed a modicum of consistency he may have conned his way out of jail, but he failed, as men like him often do when the mask slips.

Bambers games are over. His claims of innocence are only heard by a handful of unsuspecting supporters, taken in by his charm and pity plays. Sadly they too will one day unravel the truth in their own time at their own expense, as many of us before them have done.
« Last Edit: April 12, 2018, 09:34:15 PM by Stephanie »
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Offline Stephanie

Re: The Lies of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #301 on: April 12, 2018, 09:26:59 PM »
I am sure as most on this forum knows, that Jeremy Bamber has lied persistently and constantly since he was questioned by police in relation to the White House Farm Murders in 1985. If you have seen or heard, as I have, the obnoxious, self-righteous and irritating denials by this psychopath, then you may also feel it is time to redress the balance somewhat.
A psychopath such as Jeremy Bamber is totally incapable of being honest. His version of the truth is not the same as most other people. Bamber seems to think the truth is a concoction of half-truths mixed with downright lies. He once told  girlfriend Julie Mugford 'As long as you mix a few truths with your story you can't be caught out if they check'  Bamber sees no problem with this.
For the last 27 years, those interested in the case have been virtually bombarded with his pleas of innocence. His cronies have saturated the internet with all manner of scenarios and reasons why he couldn't be responsible for these crimes. Those that have researched this case by typing his name into Google will know what I mean.
Bamber 'think tanks' have come up with all manner of absurd scenarios in a desparate effort to point the finger of suspicion elsewhere often imagining ridiculous scenarios involving either Sheila or some mysterious stranger. Bamber was either the architect of these or went along with them regardless. It seems overwhelmingly to be a case of blame someone for the killings as long as it is not Jeremy Bamber - anyone but him.
One of the main aspects I noticed was Bamber's inability to answer a direct question pertaining to the murders. It was all about his 'innocence' Not once have I heard, read or seen Bamber give a refutation to the nation that it was highly improbable that Sheila could have been responsible for beating her 6ft 4" father into unconsciousness so viciously that the stock of the rifle broke. Or that there was any evidence of a struggle. Or that she showed no signs of handling a firearm, or that she murdered her own sons. Bamber did not once question this.
I find this a tad strange. Has anyone ever, read, heard or seen Bamber make any form of apology for leaving a loaded .22 rifle out in full view where there are two six year old boys staying? Or express any guilt for doing so?

                                                    Bambers Lies Exposed                                                                         
The Rifle
The rifle was never left out where Bamber had stated it was. That was too simplistic and obvious. I strongly suspect that he hid the rifle somewhere in the kitchen, where the ever-fastidious Nevil wouldnt find it, or, if he did return it to it's rightful place in the gun cupboard.
Bamber made sure it would be within easy reach when he broke in that night and not risk a confrontation with Nevil should he be overheard retrieving it from the gun cupboard.

The Adoption of the Twins
Bamber set the scene by suggesting to the police that the murderous rampage may have been sparked off the night before the murders by a suggestion by Nevil and June that the twins be adopted or fostered out to a local family.
There are two reasons why this simply cannot be true. Firstly, the twins father Colin Cafell, stated unequivocably that there was 'no question of the twins ever being either adopted or fostered out' This was a downright lie by Bamber. No such conversation ever took place. Secondly, Bamber had failed to realise that he had already stated in regards to why his father hadn't called the police, that his father was very 'unlikely to get organisations involved'
No organisations except the entire multi-faceted bureaucracy of the British Adoption Agency? I think Bamber tripped over his own stupidity here.

He Got Along With His Family
This is another downright lie. Bamber claimed after the murders that he got along fine with his father, although he admitted having some 'difficulty' with his mother and understanding his mentally ill sister' He insisted that his relationship with them had 'improved and was on good ground'
Nothing can be further from the truth. Bamber, hated his family with a passion. There were many witnesses who often overheard Bamber complaining about how short of money they kept him and how he hated them. Julie Mugford testified that Jeremy stated that the 'family were better off dead, the whole bloody lot of them' it quickly became obvious to her that Bamber disliked his family. He resented his parents whom he claimed, "tried to run his life" and he said he did not get on with Sheila Caffell. He was angry that she lived in an expensive flat in Maida Vale, which was maintained by his parents. Between July and October 1984, he said that his parents were getting him down and he said that he wished "he could get rid of them all". Mugford added that Bamber had said to her that his "father was getting old, his mother was mad … Sheila was mad as well … and in respect of the way the twins had been brought up, … they were emotionally disturbed and unbalanced"
Hardly the stuff of cordiality is it??


This is just the first small step in the mountain of lies told by Bamber in his attempt to cover up the appalling crimes for which he is undoubtedly responsible. It was a crime, Bamber hoped, that would never be uncovered.
In this he was very much mistaken.

Another fine post by Starryian
"When flying monkeys come calling, just click your ruby slippers together and remember that even narcs can be defeated once you know the truth"

Offline Stephanie

Re: The Lies of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #302 on: April 13, 2018, 04:54:43 PM »
We never hear anything about Bambers "martial arts and keep fit" just cake baking and star gazing



"Mass killer Jeremy Bamber launched a vicious attack on a fellow prisoner with a broken bottle.

He rammed the jagged edges of a sauce bottle into his victim's face and tried to cut off his nose and ears. The inmate's scalp was also cut open.

The Home Office last night pledged an inquiry in the attack by Bamber, jailed for life after slaughtering his family for a pounds 500,000 inheritance.

The victim is believed to be serving a sentence for burglary. He was rushed to hospital for emergency surgery after the attack.

It is not the first time that Bamber, an inmate at Long Lartin top security prison in Worcestershire, has been in trouble in jail. He has been one of the most hated prisoners in Britain since the 1985 killing of his adoptive parents, his sister Sheila and her twin sons.

Last year he was robbed of pounds 1,000-worth of jewellery, cash and personal belongings.

Earlier this year he was briefly removed from Long Lartin for his own safety after surviving a knife attack. He was transferred to Full Sutton jail near York, where he took up martial arts and keep-fit for his own defence.

It is understood the man he attacked with a bottle had tried to pick a fight with him.

A Home Office spokesman said there would be a major investigation.

There was an incident in the prison which left one prisoner seriously injured," he said.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/KILLER+BAMBER'S+BROKEN+BOTTLE+JAIL+ATTACK.-a061330122



Wonder what the home office major investigation uncovered? Imagine Bamber will have kept the details secret from his supporters?
« Last Edit: April 13, 2018, 04:58:30 PM by Stephanie »
"When flying monkeys come calling, just click your ruby slippers together and remember that even narcs can be defeated once you know the truth"

Offline Stephanie

Re: The Lies of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #303 on: April 13, 2018, 08:26:04 PM »
"WANT TO MAKE A LIE SEEM TRUE? SAY IT AGAIN. AND AGAIN. AND AGAIN
"YOU ONLY USE 10 percent of your brain. Eating carrots improves your eyesight. Vitamin C cures the common cold. Crime in the United States is at an all-time high.
None of those things are true.
But the facts don't actually matter: People repeat them so often that you believe them. Welcome to the “illusory truth effect,” a glitch in the human psyche that equates repetition with truth. Marketers and politicians are masters of manipulating this particular cognitive bias—which perhaps you have become more familiar with lately.
https://www.wired.com/2017/02/dont-believe-lies-just-people-repeat/



Just keep lying. It’ll work eventually.
"Want to convince someone of something entirely untrue? Just keep repeating it. Over and over. The illusory truth effect has been flying around the world of psychology since 1977. But recently, more and more evidence has arrived to back it up. The illusory truth effect is the idea that if you repeat something often enough, people will slowly start to believe it’s true. Sounds about right, considering all the times we’ve blindly trusted an old wives’ tale or a much-retweeted factoid. But a new study has revealed that the illusory truth effect is much stronger than we imagined. Because it turns out that even if a person has prior knowledge disproving a lie they’re being told, they’ll still believe the lie if it’s repeated enough.
Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2015/12/01/if-you-repeat-a-lie-enough-people-think-its-true-5536488/?ito=cbshare



HOW LIARS CREATE THE ILLUSION OF TRUTH
"Repetition makes a fact seem more true, regardless of whether it is or not. Understanding this effect can help you avoid falling for propaganda, says psychologist Tom Stafford
“Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth”, is a law of propaganda often attributed to the Nazi Joseph Goebbels. Among psychologists something like this known as the "illusion of truth" effect. Here's how a typical experiment on the effect works: participants rate how true trivia items are, things like "A prune is a dried plum". Sometimes these items are true (like that one), but sometimes participants see a parallel version which isn't true (something like "A date is a dried plum").
After a break – of minutes or even weeks – the participants do the procedure again, but this time some of the items they rate are new, and some they saw before in the first phase. The key finding is that people tend to rate items they've seen before as more likely to be true, regardless of whether they are true or not, and seemingly for the sole reason that they are more familiar.
So, here, captured in the lab, seems to be the source for the saying that if you repeat a lie often enough it becomes the truth. And if you look around yourself, you may start to think that everyone from advertisers to politicians are taking advantage of this foible of human psychology.
But a reliable effect in the lab isn't necessarily an important effect on people's real-world beliefs. If you really could make a lie sound true by repetition, there'd be no need for all the other techniques of persuasion.
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20161026-how-liars-create-the-illusion-of-truth


This is what Jezza does - he's transparent
« Last Edit: April 13, 2018, 08:48:48 PM by Stephanie »
"When flying monkeys come calling, just click your ruby slippers together and remember that even narcs can be defeated once you know the truth"

Offline Stephanie

Re: The Lies of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #304 on: April 16, 2018, 09:13:15 PM »
I don't see the significance at all so please spell it out.  The terms used are interchangeable and mean the same thing.

I could say 'take my car', 'take my motor', take my wheels or take my vehicle.  All can mean the same thing. 

JB once wrote to me saying we now know there was a moderator and a silencer!  JB has to concern himself with the silencer/sound moderator presented at trial which the prosecution claim was attached to the rifle when SC sustained her gsw's and contained blood within matching SC's blood groups.  I don't care how many exhibits labels or terms used or even if more than one silencer features.  It's the silencer presented at trial and blood within which need undermining if JB is ever to smell freedom again. 

AP and JB exchanged comments about the rifle whilst handling it complete with silencer and scope.  I believe AP and JB went target shooting together on said weekend.

JB knows all this Holly.

You have to remember he's calculated and likes to mix things up. If you look back at some of the claims he's made to various people over the years, you'll see his contradictions and lies.

It's interesting he's written to you saying what you state; "JB once wrote to me saying we now know there was a moderator and a silencer

The terms 'sound moderator', 'silencer' and 'suppressor' all mean the same thing:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silencer_(firearms)

According to AE's WS AP first raised the issue of the silencer on 7th Aug.  AP had seen it at WHF when he visited last week-end of July.  He raised it with EP on 8th Aug.  JB was asked to complete a further WS about the silencer (and scope) on 8th Aug

This is what Eric Allison says about him:
"Bamber is clever and strategic. He has courted a number of news organisations over the years. He divides the evidence he has gathered and packages "exclusives" to different newspapers.

"There was something about Bamber that made him unsympathetic to the public. He was handsome in a rather cruel, caddish way – he seemed to exude arrogance and indifference. In court, when the prosecution accused him of lying, he replied: "That is what you have to establish." Like Meursault in the Camus novel L'Etranger, he did not seem to display the appropriate emotions.

He became a legal expert, stayed up into the early hours every night reading his own case notes, he courted sympathetic journalists, wrote to legal experts, challenged the very basis on which he had been convicted
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/feb/10/jeremy-bamber-innocent-of-murder-appeal

And yet you repeatedly say he doesn't appear to understand his case?  Does this not concern you?

 
« Last Edit: April 16, 2018, 09:39:14 PM by Stephanie »
"When flying monkeys come calling, just click your ruby slippers together and remember that even narcs can be defeated once you know the truth"

Offline Stephanie

Re: The Lies of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #305 on: April 17, 2018, 08:49:47 AM »
Do you want the truth or something beautiful? 

I think he's innocent and as such he's clueless.   I would be too without access to mass debating sessions on the forum, forensic textbooks and the aid of the internet as a research tool.  Plus Mike had a bad influence on him early on.

You forget Holly, that Bamber has access to books and can ask for any he needs from the prison library. His supporters have kept him up to date with what goes on on these forums, so he's fully aware.
And he's surrounded by like minded individuals. His fellow inmates would have far more knowledge than many of us. Remember Holly, they too went through the Criminal justice system. Many of them will be "in denial" and attempting to fight the system. Then there are the prison newspapers, alomg with the dailys - which prisoners have free access to in their libraries if they don't order them directly. https://insidetime.org/category/newsround/

JB knows all this Holly.

You have to remember he's calculated and likes to mix things up. If you look back at some of the claims he's made to various people over the years, you'll see his contradictions and lies.

It's interesting he's written to you saying what you state; "JB once wrote to me saying we now know there was a moderator and a silencer

This is what Eric Allison says about him:
"Bamber is clever and strategic. He has courted a number of news organisations over the years. He divides the evidence he has gathered and packages "exclusives" to different newspapers.

"There was something about Bamber that made him unsympathetic to the public. He was handsome in a rather cruel, caddish way – he seemed to exude arrogance and indifference. In court, when the prosecution accused him of lying, he replied: "That is what you have to establish." Like Meursault in the Camus novel L'Etranger, he did not seem to display the appropriate emotions.

He became a legal expert, stayed up into the early hours every night reading his own case notes, he courted sympathetic journalists, wrote to legal experts, challenged the very basis on which he had been convicted
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/feb/10/jeremy-bamber-innocent-of-murder-appeal

And yet you repeatedly say he doesn't appear to understand his case?  Does this not concern you?

IMO Eric Allison also knows Bamber is a con man; at least his news articles about him appear to suggest this. Like Bob Woffinden and many other journalists before him, they don't care about innocence or guilt, they want to write a news story that sells their papers.

Many, if not all of these cases are flawed and con men like Bamber have a need to win at all costs. Flaunting their lies, grabbing media headlines, it gives them a buzz, they thrive on the attention it brings them.

Bambers "official" website is misleading and bias, but he doesn't care and he's most probably behind most of it. As Eric Alloson points out, he knows how to divide the evidence and package it in such a way that it works in his favour (for some).

Many of his supporters have been taken in by him, as I once was by Simon Hall. Murderers don't look and sound like murderers, they present like you and me. They blend in and appear normal to the unsuspecting eye. It's not easy to recognise and admit you've been duped by such a manipulative, devious and cunning individual. But the reality is, Jeremy Bamber has done just that. He's used the flaws in his case to give him a degree of plausible deniability. He's then turned on his relatives and used enablers to help him achieve his goals. Eric Allison is an enabler, all those that give this man air time are enablers. 

« Last Edit: April 17, 2018, 08:58:59 AM by Stephanie »
"When flying monkeys come calling, just click your ruby slippers together and remember that even narcs can be defeated once you know the truth"

Offline Caroline

Re: The Lies of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #306 on: April 17, 2018, 06:56:06 PM »
A take it that this is where the myth was born that police were in conversation with someone inside the farmhouse?  Many thanks for clearing that up Caroline.  👍

You're welcome  8((()*/. Some people just feed off and manipulate the poor grammar which is quite abundant in the case files. Like Sheila being on 'the left side of the bed' - she was but not 'on' it.

Offline Stephanie

Re: The Lies of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #307 on: April 30, 2018, 10:49:59 AM »
Daisy stated:
9th January 2014

"I very soon became involved in the Campaign and typed some of the documents for his last CCRC submissions.  I have also done all I can to ask those in power to listen and have written to my MP,  the Prime Minister,the MOJ, the Home Secretary, CPS, IPCC etc.  I have had conversations with officials at the CCRC and also exchanged emails and spoken on the phone to Professional Standards at Essex Police. I also phoned some of the scientists who examined the sound moderator who were very pleasant towards me but adament they had come to the right conclusion

Daisy stated:
25th March 2015

"However I will say still no submissions to the CCRC despite Jeremy telling me 16 months ago "we have the last pieces of the jigsaw. I will soon be free

Daisy stated:
20th July 2015

"I wouldn't just blame Jeremy. His CT control his friendships and those who try to help him. Many highly qualified individuals have fallen by the wayside. His close friend Tom Sturgeon who constantly tweeted about the case has deleted his account so have they told him he is no longer needed?  They have no interest in Jeremy's freedom - it is all a big game to them. As soon as someone gets more results than them Jeremy is told to terminate the friendship. I doubt there is any new evidence or that an application has gone to the CCRC. 

Jeremy Bamber stated:
23rd April 2018

"So, Easter has always been about new beginnings, and I feel that this is true for me this year. Chelmsford Crown Court has just made new disclosures and the CPS are due to fulfil their disclosure obligations before the end of March, and a CCRC decision on my case will be requested very soon. https://jeremybamber.blogspot.co.uk
« Last Edit: April 30, 2018, 11:00:31 AM by Stephanie »
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Offline Stephanie

Re: The Lies of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #308 on: May 06, 2018, 11:32:53 AM »
"When flying monkeys come calling, just click your ruby slippers together and remember that even narcs can be defeated once you know the truth"

Offline Stephanie

Re: The Lies of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #309 on: May 08, 2018, 08:45:45 PM »
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=cd1AAAAAIBAJ&sjid=6qYMAAAAIBAJ&dq=brett+collins+bamber&pg=5839,6644530&hl=en

"a ruthless cold blooded killer who will stop at nothing to serve his own ends"
« Last Edit: May 08, 2018, 08:48:58 PM by Stephanie »
"When flying monkeys come calling, just click your ruby slippers together and remember that even narcs can be defeated once you know the truth"

Offline Stephanie

Re: The Lies of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #310 on: May 08, 2018, 08:58:28 PM »
Daisy stated:
9th January 2014

"I very soon became involved in the Campaign and typed some of the documents for his last CCRC submissions.  I have also done all I can to ask those in power to listen and have written to my MP,  the Prime Minister,the MOJ, the Home Secretary, CPS, IPCC etc.  I have had conversations with officials at the CCRC and also exchanged emails and spoken on the phone to Professional Standards at Essex Police. I also phoned some of the scientists who examined the sound moderator who were very pleasant towards me but adament they had come to the right conclusion

Daisy stated:
25th March 2015

"However I will say still no submissions to the CCRC despite Jeremy telling me 16 months ago "we have the last pieces of the jigsaw. I will soon be free

Daisy stated:
20th July 2015

"I wouldn't just blame Jeremy. His CT control his friendships and those who try to help him. Many highly qualified individuals have fallen by the wayside. His close friend Tom Sturgeon who constantly tweeted about the case has deleted his account so have they told him he is no longer needed?  They have no interest in Jeremy's freedom - it is all a big game to them. As soon as someone gets more results than them Jeremy is told to terminate the friendship. I doubt there is any new evidence or that an application has gone to the CCRC. 

Jeremy Bamber stated:
23rd April 2018

"So, Easter has always been about new beginnings, and I feel that this is true for me this year. Chelmsford Crown Court has just made new disclosures and the CPS are due to fulfil their disclosure obligations before the end of March, and a CCRC decision on my case will be requested very soon. https://jeremybamber.blogspot.co.uk

Jeremy Bamber makes it clear - "They do not make decisions on my behalf but are merely the facilitators of the administrative actions I would carry out myself had I not been imprisoned. [/i]
https://jeremybamber.blogspot.co.uk/2011/01/i-am-proud-that-all-of-us-work_2026.html
« Last Edit: May 08, 2018, 09:02:12 PM by Stephanie »
"When flying monkeys come calling, just click your ruby slippers together and remember that even narcs can be defeated once you know the truth"