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Offline Robittybob1

Re: TIME LINE THEORY THANKS TO KAZLUX - file references added
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2018, 10:56:35 PM »
Don't get excited, there's nothing mysterious going on.

On 10th September 2007 a report was produced by the DCCB Brigado Central de Analise de Informacao in Lisbon. It included the following passage, so that's probably where Kazlux got it.

Gerald was seen and spoken to by Neil Berry and Raj Malu. They heard him calling for Madeleine when they were sitting on Neil's balcony, not far from the McCann's apartment. They both went down to talk to Gerald and helped in the search.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/oa/OA2_SET/OApenso_2_Rel_sep_07_Page_11.jpg
That file you have attached is in Portuguese.  Can you read Portuguese for the little bit I know it has a sentence in it about the sliding window in the children's bedroom.  How that would relate to Berry and Balu I do not know.  I can't see their names, so have you attached the correct file?
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« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2018, 11:05:33 PM »
That file you have attached is in Portuguese.  Can you read Portuguese for the little bit I know it has a sentence in it about the sliding window in the children's bedroom.  How that would relate to Berry and Balu I do not know.  I can't see their names, so have you attached the correct file?

Sorry, Rob;

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Offline Robittybob1

Re: TIME LINE THEORY THANKS TO KAZLUX - file references added
« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2018, 11:21:01 PM »
Sorry, Rob;

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ANALYSIS-SEP-07.htm

That was better and probably explains the mystery fully. 
"Gerald was seen and spoken to by Neil Berry and Raj Malu. They heard him calling for Madeleine when they were sitting on Neil's balcony, not far from the McCann's apartment. They both went down to talk to Gerald and helped in the search.

Both David Payne and Matthew Oldfield were seen by Emma Knights when she was on her way to the beach, the search area to which she was assigned by Lyndsey Johnson (child care director and search coordinator).

At about 01.00 Matthew was with John Hill (resort manager) when they knocked on Jeremy Wilkins's door to ask if he had seen anything."

That report was written up in Sept 2007 but Emma Knight was not officially interviewed till 30 April 2008.  So she must have been interviewed earlier as well.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA-LOUISE.htm

There is only one hint of a previous statement "5) As mentioned previously, their emotional state was one of consternation and despair."

The details in her later statement doesn't cover the meeting with David Payne and Matthew as detailed in the Kazlux document.
So there must be an earlier version of the Emma Knights statement too.  I think this statement would be absolutely vital to the investigation, yet there is a statement to the effect Emma Knights was not interviewed because of her absence.  That does not add up to me.
 
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Re: TIME LINE THEORY THANKS TO KAZLUX - file references added
« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2018, 11:39:36 PM »
Missing pages
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MISSING_PAGES.htm

"In addition, formal questioning was made of English employees most involved, from the MW company -?15 child care workers and two tennis instructors. Also eleven informal questionings with employees who carry out other types of activity. In total, 28 persons. Due to their absence, three individuals were not questioned, Euan Crosby, Steven Jackson and Emma Knights respectively.

There is evidence that Emma was interviewed, there are photos of her present with John Hill.  - Being absent is a total lie IMO.  Who can explain this to me in another way?
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Re: TIME LINE THEORY THANKS TO KAZLUX - file references added
« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2018, 06:15:57 AM »
Second part of the Time Line Study by Kazlux:  http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIME_LINE_INFORMATION.htm

"22.45/22.50 Manager J. H. [John Hill] went to the apartment being used by the McCanns, where he saw that both members of the couple were in a panic and were shouting that the child had been taken. He always saw the McCanns together in the apartment they were occupying at the time, with the exception of an episode when Gerry went to the main 24 hour reception, with the purpose of speaking to a GNR officer

22.50 pm - First call to GNR Lagos precinct (Guarda Nacional Republicana, rural police); The first call to Police Precinct of GNR (Portuguese Rural Police) in Lagos, reporting a missing child and asking for Police help was made at 10.50pm and a patrol was sent, arriving at Ocean Club 12/15 minutes later, according to Lieutenant-Colonel Costa Cabral, [Danny Collins - But, according to paramilitary Guarda Nacional Republicana police spokesman Lieutenant Colonel Costa Cabral, the first call was received at GNR HQ at 11.50pm, again nearly two hours after Madeleine was found missing.  ] Head of Public Relations of GNR.

About 22.55/23.00 manager E. L. K. [Emma Knight ] went to the McCann's apartment to obtain the girl's description and of the clothes she was wearing when she disappeared. When she arrived at the apartment, there was a lady on the terrace, whom she now know to be Kate McCann, accompanied by the wife of one of her friends, David Payne. Kate could not say a word, looked very upset and about to cry. It was Mrs Payne who provided her with the details that she needed.

Head of Maintenance J. C. S. B. [ JOAO CARLOS SILVA BATISTA ] arrived at about 23.00 and immediately began to search the resort and the beach area, searching in all the places where the child might be. The searches were carried out by employees from the Tapas and the restaurant who had just finished their shifts and by some local people.

Accountant J. D. N. d. O. N. [JOSE DUARTE NUNES DE OLIVA NOVO STATEMENT http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOSE-NOVO.htm ] notes that on May 03, 2007, (Thursday), at around 23H00, at home, in Ramalhete, Casa ***, Praia da Luz, Luz, Lagos, situated close to the OC resort, he noticed "much movement and traffic that was out of the ordinary," outside (vehicles and individuals passing by frequently) for that time of night. For this reason, he went to look out of his window. Whilst this was happening, he noticed a colleague, J.C.B. [http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOAO_BATISTA.htm ]  (Head of Maintenance at the resort) standing next to his house, who told him what had happened. J.C.B. told him that a child staying at the tourist complex had disappeared.

About 23.00 hrs, OC guest G. McK. [http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GRAHAM-MCKENZIE.htm ] approached the McCann's apartment from the bushes at the rear of the apartment. He was searching the gardens. He did not know it was the McCann's apartment. He saw Mr Gerry McCann standing alone in the doorway at the rear of the apartment talking on his mobile telephone. Mr McCann was looking over the swimming pool and did not see Mr McKenzie. Mr McCann was absolutely distraught telling the person receiving the call that he feared "she (Madeleine McCann) had been taken by paedophiles". He does not know who the person receiving the calls was but presumes it to be a family member: "I worked my way around the area, eventually coming around the back of the tennis courts and up towards what I now know to be the McCanns apartment a couple of hours later. I was looking in the little gardens on the poolside of that block, I was in the end garden when I heard a male voice, he sounded distraught his voice cracking with emotion. I looked to see who I now know to be Gerry McCann stood above me on the balcony/patio about 3 metres away speaking on a mobile phone. I cannot recall his exact words but I got the impression that he was speaking to perhaps a family member or someone he was very close to due to the nature of his conversation. He said something along the lines of there being Paedophile gangs in Portugal and that they had abducted Madeleine. I was so shocked by this, having originally thought that she had just wandered off."

After she arrived about 23.00 S.B. [Silvia Baptista ] went immediately to the apartment A5 where she found several people inside the apartment and outside of it. She entered in the flat but soon left without having spoken with anyone, because she was informed that elements of the GNR were in the principal reception. She went there to meet them.

When she came close to the elements of the GNR she found that behind her was Gerry, Madeleine's father, accompanied by another man whose identity she doesn't remember. Then Gerry kneeled down, hit the floor with both hands, positioning himself as if he were a praying Arab, and screamed twice of anger, what he said being impossible to understand. Then Gerry stand up and accompanied her (the witness) and the other man in the car of the GNR to the apartment A5. S.B. walked Gerry to the GNR car, so he could deliver the requested documents. She states that she carried out these diligences, and other diligences, at the request of the GNR Commander as they used the deponent's knowledge of the English language to translate the questions that were asked from the missing person's family members, and the answers that were given. She remembers that Gerry gave the GNR Commander several photographs of the missing person. These were postcard-type photographs, taking their size and shape into account. They were actually photographs of the size and shape of a postcard, and they seemed to be all similar to her.

23.00/23.05 pm - A GNR patrol arrives at Ocean Club (two men); When they arrived they saw the girl's father, a friend whom GNR Officer N. F. P. d. C. [http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NELSON-DA-COSTA-1.htm ] describes as tall and blond, an OC employee and a translator who was also an OC employee, named S.B.. He found it notable that when they were still at the main reception, the father kneeled down, laying his head on the ground and crying, at the same time as making an expression which GNR Officer N. F. P. d. C. did not understand.

Estimated time around 23.10 pm Both David Payne and Matthew Oldfield were seen by E.L.K. [ Emma Knight ] when she was on her way to the beach, the search area to which she was assigned by L. J. (child care director and search coordinator).

23:14 Gerry calls Kate (8 seconds)

23:17 Gerry calls Kate (31 seconds)

Estimated time 23.15 - After hearing about the circumstances of the disappearance (from the father with the help of translation) GNR Officer N. F. P. d. C. does not remember whether the word abduction was mentioned, and he went in his police car, to the apartment, accompanied by the father, the friend and the translator.

After hearing about the circumstances of the disappearance (from the father with the help of translation) at a determined moment GNR Officer J. M. B. R. [ http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOSE_ROQUE.htm ] thinks it was the father who told the translator that it was an abduction, at least this is how it was translated. He then went to the apartment, accompanied by his colleague, the father and friend as well as the translator. When he arrived at the apartment he saw the mother there, who opened the wooden door, now referred to as the main door. When he entered, apart from the mother, there were three individuals, one female and two male, whom he cannot identify.

After the search, GNR Officer J. M. B. R. noticed a situation that seemed unusual to him, when at a determined moment, the girl's parents kneeled down on the floor of their bedroom and placed their heads on the bed, crying. He did not notice any comments or expression from them, just crying. He says that at the main reception the father also knelt down, placing his head on the floor and crying. He did not hear the father say anything.

After the search of the interior, GNR Officer J. M. B. R. went to check the area around the apartments and the Tapas Bar, while GNR Officer N. F. P. d. C. remained next the apartment, just outside it. At that moment a female individual, he does not know whether she was a member of the group of friends, who was in the neighbouring apartment, said that she saw an individual carrying a child, running, and that because of the pyjamas she was wearing it could have been Madeleine. It was in these circumstances that abduction began to be talked about. He made a report about this situation and sent it to the police. This sighting did not seem to him to be very credible, because when he asked her about the physical characteristics of the individual, she said it was very dark, however she saw the pyjamas clearly.

S.B. translated the deposition from one of the ladies that belonged to the group of English people, namely one that she indicates as being a brunette. This lady told the GNR officers, and S.B. translated, that she had seen a man crossing the road, possibly carrying a child. S.B. [ http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm ] found that situation strange because she was convinced that when she saw this man, the lady was positioned in a spot that has no viewing angle to the location where she had seen the man. She doesn't know exactly where the lady was positioned when she saw the man passing by, but she knows that she indicated that she saw him passing on the street that lies in front of the window to the bedroom where Madeleine was, walking into the direction of the street that leads to the Baptista supermarket.

GNR Officer J. M. B. R. found the parents to be nervous and anxious, he did not see any tears from either of them although they produced noises identical to crying. He did not feel that this was an abduction, although this was the line indicated by the father.

S.B. also realised that from the very first moment on, both Gerry and the rest of the group members insisted in stating that Madeleine had been abducted, all of them using the word "abducted" instead of missing, and they all showed great interest in informing the press about the situation.

S.B. further recalls that she entered the room where Madeleine had been sleeping. She now remembers that the door was closed. The inside of the room was dark. The shutters were down, and light entered only through its holes. The windows were closed and the curtains slightly open. Gerry, who accompanied S.B. during this visit, with the GNR officers also present, said that it had been him who had closed the window because the babies were still sleeping inside, which S.B. could verify as true. Gerry mentioned that when he noticed that Madeleine was missing, he had found the window and shutters open, and the curtains fluttering.

S.B. recalls that the cots that were used by the babies were placed in the middle of the room and aligned, and therefore she found it strange that someone could have taken Madeleine from the bed where she was sleeping up to the window, because there was no space to get through. S.B. opened the bedroom's wardrobe to check if eventually Madeleine was hiding inside. Then they all left the room, and someone closed its door again. The deponent remained in the living room for a while, with the GNR officers, Gerry and the other group members that were there in a frenzy, going in and out and speaking on their mobile phones. She noticed that none of the group members, including the child's mother and father, were busy looking for her. The mother was sitting on the master bedroom's bed, the father accompanied S.B. and the GNR officers and the other group members walked in and out and spoke on the phone, apparently concerned about informing the press about the event.

She thought that the child's mother was downbeat with the situation, the father showed his concern and also asked both for the press to be alerted and for dogs to be brought in for the search. Concerning the others, she can only recall that Fiona and her husband, Payne, were hysterical about the situation.

At about 23.30 a white fair haired man aged about 30, one of the friends of the McCann group was seen by V. K. [Did not find a reference to  this person. ]and her family when he asked them if they had seen Madeleine. They were near to the chapel.

23.20/23.30 Manager J.H. asked hotel manager E. L. K. to go to the apartment the girl had disappeared from and, on behalf of Mark Warner, provide all the help the family might need. She went to the McCann's apartment, entered by the patio doors and introduced herself to Kate and Mrs Payne. She entered the apartment living room and Kate and Mrs Payne stayed in the main bedroom, from where she could hear them both crying.

The twins were still asleep in the children's bedroom and the door was half open.

A short while later, Gerry returned to the apartment accompanied by Russell. They also entered by the patio doors. She doesn't remember the exact sequence of events at this time, but she does remember that she phoned John, who informed her that the police were on their way.

23.30/23.40 A CID team leaves from Portimão to Praia da Luz.

John McCann stated on MSNBC that at 'twenty to twelve' 23.40 pm Gerry calls his brother John: "I've got crying for help from my brother and I'm stuck couple of thousand miles away from him. I can't do anything concrete. And then eventually he just said, "I don't know what to think. I think some paedophile or some other swine has taken Madeleine".

23.40 Gerry calls Trish Cameron (11.13 minutes)
"It was my younger brother Gerry distraught on the phone, breaking his heart. He said: 'Madeleine is abducted, she's been abducted'. 'They kept going back to check the kids every half hour. The restaurant was only 40 yards away. He went back at 9 o'clock to check the children. They were all sound asleep, windows shut, shutters shut'.

Kate then went over to the two-bedroom ground-floor apartment and 'came out screaming', said Mrs. Cameron. 'The door was lying open, the window in the bedroom and the shutters had been jimmied open'. "They think someone must have come in the window and gone out of the front door with Madeleine." (timesonline 6 may)

Sandy Cameron statement: "On the night of Thursday, May 3, 2007, Patricia received a telephone call from Gerry informing us of the disappearance of Madeleine. Gerry manifested all those emotions one expects from a father who has lost a child in the circumstances. He was distraught and spoke at the same time he cried. He seemed frustrated with the slowness of the searches in Portugal, with the fact that the borders had not been closed, and with the fact that sniffer dogs were not being used. Patricia and I contacted the British Embassy to try and help in this regard."

Hotel owner P. R. W. (Paul Wortalboer [http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BAREND_WEIJDOM.htm] ) arrived at the scene of the events at about 23.45, there were already many people and police officers.

23.52 Gerry calls Brian and Janet Kennedy (2.30 minutes)"
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Re: TIME LINE THEORY THANKS TO KAZLUX - file references added
« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2018, 07:03:06 AM »
Third part of the Time Line Study by Kazlux:  http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIME_LINE_INFORMATION.htm

Barman Millennium Restaurant L. M. d. S. B. [ http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LUIS_BARROS.htm ] was dining with his wife, son and friends in a restaurant in Praia da Luz, before 24.00 he received a call to his mobile from the fixed network phone in the Millennium restaurant, informing him about the disappearance. It was his colleague Nelson who contacted. He was not asked anything in particular, just informed, however he felt that he should go to the resort, which he did immediately, making himself available for whatever was needed. He remembered that there was great panic amongst all the people looking for Madeleine. He helped search, remaining at the OC until 05.00, searching the entire resort. They did not find anything to help locate the child.

At about 24.00, A. T [ http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/AMY-ELLEN-TIERNEY.htm ] . was at her desk at the Tapas bar, inside the resort, when at a certain time, one of the friends of the McCann couple, Russell, asked for a USB memory stick reader, in order to print photographs of Madeleine. Immediately the deponent replied that she did not have an USB reader, but that she had a printer with this hardware, which could read from memory sticks. She went to her room and returned to the Tapas with the printer where she printed out 20 to 30 photographs of the girl, using her own paper, in 10x15 format mentioned previously. The memory stick containing the photos belonged to the McCann couple, and came from their camera.

Between 00.00 and 00.30, the police arrived, entered by the main door and went to the kitchen with Gerry. Hotel manager E. L. K. [Emma Knight ] went to the bedroom where Kate and Mrs Payne were. Kate was still upset, crying and calling Madeleine's name, shouting "where is she?" She also banged on the headboard. At that moment Hotel manager E. L. K. went to check on the twins in their room and they were ok. She remembers being in the main bedroom with Kate, Mrs Payne, Gerry, Russell and David who were sitting on the bed and she sat on the floor. At that moment David suggested that the press should be contacted. Russell disagreed, saying they should keep calm and let the police take care of the situation.

At that moment Kate appeared to lose control, crying and constantly asking "where is she?" whilst banging on the bed.

Gerry remained calm throughout. On one occasion Kate and Gerry both went to the main bedroom and Hotel manager E. L. K. could hear both of them crying.

0.00.27 am Kate calls Sue and Brian Healy (128 seconds)

0.05.00 am Gerry calls Brian and Janet Kennedy (3 seconds)

0.05.45 am Gerry calls Trish Cameron (3 seconds)

0.06.15 am Gerry calls Brian and Janet Kennedy (2.47 minutes)

0.13.14 am Gerry calls Trish Cameron (3 seconds)

0.13.50 am Kate calls Sue and Brian Healy (407 seconds)

0.21.36 am Gerry calls Trish Cameron (23 seconds)

0.23.12 am Gerry calls .... (3.55 minutes)

0.27.07 am Trish Cameron calls Gerry (2.28 minutes)

0.29.37 am Angela Morado at UK Consulate calls Gerry (4.53 minutes)

0.36.21 am Kate calls ... (31 seconds)

0.37.05 am voicemail calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS

0.38.40 am ... calls Gerry (6.40 minutes)

0.39.58 am Kate calls voicemail (34 seconds)

0.40.50 am voicemail calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS

0.45.15 am Brian and Janet Kennedy call Gerry (1.18 minutes)

0.45.49 am Kate calls voicemail (31 seconds)

0.47.23 am Aurélio Guerreiro calls Kate (2.39 minutes) to offer help, at the request of Pat Perkins. A man answers the phone.

0.47.41 am Angela Morado at UK Consulate calls Gerry (2.15 minutes)

0.53.08 am ... calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS

PJ Officer V. M. M. [http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/VITOR_MARTINS.htm ] arrived on the scene at about 00.40/00.50.
At the scene, there were already some elements from the GNR and some people walking around the OC grounds, searching for the child.

In the apartment where the family was staying, there were different persons, including the friends of the girl's parents, who were immediately invited to leave the apartment, in order to preserve the scene. Inside the room that was indicated as being that of the missing girl, there were two children, babies, who appeared to sleeping in two cots placed in the middle of the room.

A request was made to the OC services director for the family to be re-allocated and accordingly the babies were taken out of the room, so that the site could be searched. The OC services manager introduced him to the missing girl's parents, who looked quite tired and anguished, particularly the mother who appeared more upset and was therefore less receptive to conversation, which led the witness to converse only with the girl's father. After the site had been isolated, he proceeded to make an inspection, together with the inspection and photographic report carried out by Deputy Specialist J.B.  [ http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOAO_BARREIRAS.htm ].

Deputy Specialist J. B. arrived about 00.40/00.50.
When they arrived at the scene, which they immediately identified due to the presence of GNR officers, as well as quite a lot of people who were walking around the street searching for the child, they immediately went to the apartment in question, where they found several people, including some GNR officers, as well as the head of the Lagos GNR station.

He states that the people inside the apartment and close to it, entered and left the building and circulated in the whole apartment, completely freely, in other words, without there being any restriction or care in preserving the scene.

He said that these people were the friends of the parents of the missing girl and a lady responsible for the resort called S.B..

He was shown the room the child had disappeared from, having noticed that people also entered and left that room without any care in the sense of preserving traces. Inside this room there were two children, babies, sleeping in two cots placed in the middle of the room.

It was requested that the babies were moved, which was done accordingly, the witness having subsequently put his gloves on to begin the on-site inspection.

At that moment one of the GNR officers told the witness that they had already searched for the girl in the wardrobes and other places in the apartment without having taken any care as to leaving their own traces or for destroying or adulterating any traces that might be of interest to the investigation. The witness states that, at a given moment, the father of the missing girl led him to understand that he had already contacted the Sky News TV station and informed them of the situation.

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Re: TIME LINE THEORY THANKS TO KAZLUX - file references added
« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2018, 09:44:47 AM »
Kazlux's own work on a Who's who helped me find some names http://themaddiecasefiles.com/who-s-who-in-the-mccann-case-t17175.html

Only one not found is VK : "At about 23.30 a white fair haired man aged about 30, one of the friends of the McCann group was seen by V. K. [Did not find a reference to  this person. ]and her family when he asked them if they had seen Madeleine. They were near to the chapel.
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Re: TIME LINE THEORY THANKS TO KAZLUX - file references added
« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2018, 12:06:32 PM »
That was better and probably explains the mystery fully. 
"Gerald was seen and spoken to by Neil Berry and Raj Malu. They heard him calling for Madeleine when they were sitting on Neil's balcony, not far from the McCann's apartment. They both went down to talk to Gerald and helped in the search.

Both David Payne and Matthew Oldfield were seen by Emma Knights when she was on her way to the beach, the search area to which she was assigned by Lyndsey Johnson (child care director and search coordinator).

At about 01.00 Matthew was with John Hill (resort manager) when they knocked on Jeremy Wilkins's door to ask if he had seen anything."

That report was written up in Sept 2007 but Emma Knight was not officially interviewed till 30 April 2008.  So she must have been interviewed earlier as well.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA-LOUISE.htm

There is only one hint of a previous statement "5) As mentioned previously, their emotional state was one of consternation and despair."

The details in her later statement doesn't cover the meeting with David Payne and Matthew as detailed in the Kazlux document.
So there must be an earlier version of the Emma Knights statement too.  I think this statement would be absolutely vital to the investigation, yet there is a statement to the effect Emma Knights was not interviewed because of her absence.  That does not add up to me.

You're good at asking questions but not great at finding the answers, Rob.

Returning to the link I supplied earlier, Emma Knight was interviewed, but not by the PJ;

This 'timeline' was created based upon translations of statements made be elements of the group to the Portuguese police, from statements made in English  to 'Control Risks' by five elements of the group and by Emma Knights, manager of client support services for Mark Warner

Both David Payne and Matthew Oldfield were seen by Emma Knights when she was on her way to the beach, the search area to which she was assigned by Lyndsey Johnson (child care director and search coordinator).
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Re: TIME LINE THEORY THANKS TO KAZLUX - file references added
« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2018, 01:58:15 PM »
Kazlux's own work on a Who's who helped me find some names http://themaddiecasefiles.com/who-s-who-in-the-mccann-case-t17175.html

Only one not found is VK : "At about 23.30 a white fair haired man aged about 30, one of the friends of the McCann group was seen by V. K. [Did not find a reference to  this person. ]and her family when he asked them if they had seen Madeleine. They were near to the chapel.

Valerie Kerr.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: TIME LINE THEORY THANKS TO KAZLUX - file references added
« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2018, 03:18:32 PM »
Valerie Kerr.
So there doesn't appear to be a statement by Valerie Kerr so how did Kazlux get to know about what Kazlux says about her?  "At about 23.30 a white fair haired man aged about 30, one of the friends of the McCann group was seen by Valarie Kerr and her family when he asked them if they had seen Madeleine. They were near to the chapel."

Google helped:
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MISSING_PAGES.htm
"From the Brigade for Information Analysis report: At about 23.30 a fair haired man aged about 30, one of the friends of the McCann group was seen by Valerie Kerr and her family when asked if they had seen Madeleine. They were near to the chapel. Valerie and Laura returned to their apartment, changed clothes and went to help with the search.

No statement from the Kerr family in the files"


That then puts a new emphasis on this potential document "Brigade for Information Analysis report"  Has anyone heard of that report?
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Re: TIME LINE THEORY THANKS TO KAZLUX - file references added
« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2018, 03:27:53 PM »
P.J. POLICE FILES: PJ BRIGADE OF INFORMATION ANALYSIS
McCann PJ files
OApenso_2_Rel_sep_07_Page_04.
OApenso_2_Rel_sep_07_Page_05.
OApenso_2_Rel_sep_07_Page_06.
OApenso_2_Rel_sep_07_Page_07.
OApenso_2_Rel_sep_07_Page_08

Is this same documents?
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/OUSTROS_APENSOS_2_REL_MAY07.htm

Are there no translations of these 8 pages?

[See below G-unit has found "P.J. BRIGADE OF INFORMATION ANALYSIS" http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BRIGADE-OF-INFORMATION.htm]
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Re: TIME LINE THEORY THANKS TO KAZLUX - file references added
« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2018, 03:55:29 PM »
Missing pages
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MISSING_PAGES.htm

"In addition, formal questioning was made of English employees most involved, from the MW company -?15 child care workers and two tennis instructors. Also eleven informal questionings with employees who carry out other types of activity. In total, 28 persons. Due to their absence, three individuals were not questioned, Euan Crosby, Steven Jackson and Emma Knights respectively.

There is evidence that Emma was interviewed, there are photos of her present with John Hill.  - Being absent is a total lie IMO.  Who can explain this to me in another way?

Emma Knight was interviewed by Control Risks group, which is where the quote probably came from. 

This 'timeline' was created based upon translations of statements made be elements of the group to the Portuguese police, from statements made in English to 'Control Risks' by five elements of the group and by Emma Knights, manager of client support services for Mark Warner

Both David Payne and Matthew Oldfield were seen by Emma Knights when she was on her way to the beach
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: TIME LINE THEORY THANKS TO KAZLUX - file references added
« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2018, 08:24:45 PM »
Emma Knight was interviewed by Control Risks group, which is where the quote probably came from. 

This 'timeline' was created based upon translations of statements made be elements of the group to the Portuguese police, from statements made in English to 'Control Risks' by five elements of the group and by Emma Knights, manager of client support services for Mark Warner

Both David Payne and Matthew Oldfield were seen by Emma Knights when she was on her way to the beach
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BRIGADE-OF-INFORMATION.htm
Any statement in the "BRIGADE OF INFORMATION" should have been attributable to a statement made by the party being quoted.  Some of these statements are not in the file.
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Re: TIME LINE THEORY THANKS TO KAZLUX - file references added
« Reply #28 on: February 28, 2018, 12:23:54 AM »
4th part of Time line information:
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOAO_BARREIRAS.htm (cont)
"As much the father as the girl's mother looked quite worried with the situation and he can even confirm that the mother was very agitated and out of control, crying a lot and shouting in an uncontrolled manner, saying in English "They have taken her". He remembers that he remained on the scene until about 04.00.

Estimated time between 00.30 and 1.00 am Two timelines written by Russel O'Brien on the covers ripped off Madeleine's stickerbook are provided to the GNR officers.

Sometime between 00.30 and 1.00 a.m Kate calls her parents: "I had a phone call from Kate asking me to contact Father P.S. [http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAUL_SEDDEN.htm ] He's a friend of Kate and Gerry's. Paul married Kate and Gerry and baptised Madeleine and she needed to speak to him". [There are no statements from the Healys ]

Sometime between 00.30 and 1.00 am, A.G. [ Guerreiro, Aurélio Mendes Bar Pacifico-Vilamoura,  http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/AURELIO_GUERREIRO.htm ] , the owner of a bar at the marina in Vilamoura got a phonecall from an old customer: P.P., the human resources director from a public English organism. She calls him, upset: "She told me the daughter of British friends of her, who were vacationing close to Lagos, had disappeared over 3 hours ago, that they were completely alone and that nobody was helping them to search for her". P.P. confirms she was at Kate's parents house at the time. [ Perkins, Pat Family friend, was staying with the Healy's on the 3rd May, put the McCanns in touch with Aurelio Mendes Guerrero, bar owner and launched email campaign on 7th May, containing the first released photo of MBM with tennis balls. http://themaddiecasefiles.com/who-s-who-in-the-mccann-case-t17175-s10.html?sid=7908cd51d8fc0fce95713699f7195d6a ]

At about 01.00 Matthew Oldfield was with J. H. (resort manager) when they knocked on Jeremy Wilkins's [http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS.htm ] door to ask if he had seen anything. It was them who told what had happened. Jez did not take part in any searches. He offered his help but was told it was not necessary.

1.02.08 am Aurélio Guerreiro calls Kate (2.23 minutes) to offer help, at the request of Pat Perkins. A man answers the phone.

1.16.11 am Gerry calls A. M. UK Consulate(1.57 minutes)

1.29.58 am Phil McCann calls Gerry (3.36 minutes)

At about 1.30 that morning Kate called Father P. S. [Paul Sedden] in a state of great agitation. He tried to calm her as well as he could saying that Madeleine could have had a bout of sleepwalking and that she would be all right. He remembers that Kate was worried by the fact that Madeleine was wearing short sleeved pyjamas and that she could catch a cold. He felt that only a mother could think like that and say such a thing. He could perceive the trauma that Kate was experiencing from her voice. He led with prayers and other situations in his role as priest.

Gerry phoned him on the same night and he also seemed to me to be quite traumatised and at the same time very upset and angry. His Scottish accent, which was normally very slight, became so heavy that his sentences were almost incomprehensible

1.43.55 am ... calls Gerry (3.29 minutes)

Estimated time: between 1.30 and 2.00 am Hotel manager E. L. K. [Emma Knight] remembers the police asking everyone to leave the apartment. She received a call from John informing her that he had arranged for another apartment for the McCanns. She went to reception and helped Lyndsey [http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LYNSAY-JAYNE.htm ] to move the two cots to the new apartment

The McCanns went to the new apartment and she remembers seeing Kate and Mrs Payne seated on the sofa, each holding one of the twins. [ that bit is weird as the others say they just went up to the Payne's apartment]

S. B. [Silvia Batista ] states that right after the PJ's elements arrived, the child's parents removed the twins from the cots where they still slept, and took them into the apartment on the first floor. At Kate's request, the deponent removed the soft toys and a blanket from the cots, and also took them to the first floor. The babies' cots were left only with the mattresses.

2.07.03 am ... calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS

2.18.29 am ... calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS

2.20.03 am Kate calls ... (0 seconds) SMS

2.21.12 am Kate calls ... (0 seconds) SMS

2.23.27 am ... calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS

2.27.28 am Kate calls ... (27 seconds)

Before 2.30 am (the time he left the scene) GNR Officer J. M. B. R. refers to a situation when he was searching outside, near the pool, that someone from the OC whom he cannot identify, passed him a mobile phone, as a British Consulate employee who spoke in Portuguese, wanted to talk to the authorities. Upon speaking to him, he told him that the investigation and subsequent actions were under the responsibility of the PJ.

About 02.00/02.30, as the child had not been found, PJ Inspector M. J. P. d. L. Q. [
Queiroz, Manuel Joaquim Pessoa de Lencastre http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MANUEL_QUEIROZ.htm ] decided to contact SEF at Faro airport with the aim of alerting them in case anyone would board accompanied by some child, whoever she was and those accompanying her should be duly identified, however the various calls made were not attended. In the face of this situation he contacted the Faro Station from the police and told them what was going on and asked them to alert the SEF.

He also decided to alert the GNR in Lagos so that they would send out a warning so that the car and foot patrols that were out on the ground would pay attention and identify cars with people out driving at that time who were accompanied by a child (children).

2.38.58 am Lynda and Mark call Kate (9.45 minutes)
"On the morning of 4 May 2007 the mother of Kate telephoned my mother who, in turn, telephoned me. My mother told me that something terrible had happened, that somebody had taken Madeleine. I later sent a text message to Kate that same night and I spoke with her on the telephone. She was hysterical, saying only that she wanted to be able to hug Madeleine. She was worried by the fact that there were only two police officers in the place and thought that the police were not helping her with anything. She continued to speak about Madeleine, of the cold that she could feel since she was dressed only in pyjamas and continued to look at the situation from the perspective of Madeleine. She told me that Gerry was outside to find the girl and during the following day we spoke on the telephone and we frequently sent messages [to each other]."

2.53.49 am Kate calls Michelle and Jon (16 seconds)

GNR Officer N. F. P. d. C. [Costa, Nelson Filipe Pacheco da (1/3), GNR Officer, Lagos, p. 417
Costa, Nelson Filipe Pacheco da (2/3), GNR Officer, Lagos, p. 1340
Costa, Nelson Filipe Pacheco da (3/3), GNR Officer, Lagos, p. 3885 ] refers to a situation at about 02.00 or 03.00, that the parents asked for a priest and his colleague had tried to contact one on his mobile, but did not manage to find one.
Hotel Manager E. L. K. remembers that on the night Madeleine disappeared, Kate wanted to contact the local priest, but it was not possible to reach him by phone.

S. B. [Silvia Batista ] mentions that at around 3.00 a.m. Madeleine's parents asked for the presence of a priest on location. They didn't explain the reason why they wanted a priest, but the deponent found the fact strange as there were no indications that the little girl was dead, and that's the circumstance under which usually the presence of a priest is requested.

3.05.03 am ... calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS

3.06.17 am Kate calls ... (0 seconds) SMS

3.06.54 am Kate calls Michelle and Jon (5 seconds)

3.07.38 am Kate calls Jon Corner (3 seconds)

3.07.57 am Kate calls Michelle's cellphone (3 seconds)

3.08.33 am Kate calls Michelle and Jon (3 seconds)

3.09.05 am Kate calls Michelle and Jon (4 seconds)

3.10.29 am Kate calls ... (10 seconds)

3.20.21 am Kate calls Michelle and Jon (14 seconds)

3.23.28 am Jon Corner calls Kate (184 seconds)

3.28.46 am Jon Corner calls Kate (416 seconds)

Michelle Thompson [http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/M_THOMPSON.htm ]  statement: "Kate must have tried Jon's mobile once as we stirred when it rang at about 03h20. Jon spoke briefly with Kate and then called her around 03h30. I knew that Kate and Gerry were on holidays in Portugal. Kate was very anguished and on the telephone and told me that she had checked on the children every half-hour. It was around 22h00, and when she went to check on the children she found that someone had entered the apartment and taken Madeleine from where she slept; that Madeleine had been abducted. The person must have entered, passed by the twins and taken her.

Kate continued that when she entered the apartment via the patio doors, a breeze hit her in the face as if a door or window was open. When she entered the children's room, the window was open, the blind had been forced and Madeleine had disappeared. Kate urged me to call all the close family and to ask them to pray for Madeleine. My family is catholic and Kate knew this. Even though I am catholic, I have to admit that Kate has more faith than I. I did not speak to Gerry that night."

3.31.13 am ... calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS

3.55.21 am Jon Corner calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS

3.55.56 am Kate calls Jon Corner (0 seconds) SMS

4.03.44 am Jon Corner calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS

4.05.40 am Kate calls Jon Corner (0 seconds) SMS

4.12.33 am Kate calls Jon Corner (0 seconds) SMS

4.14.41 am Gerry calls ... (01 seconds) SMS

4.15.23 am Gerry calls ... (01 seconds) SMS

4.15.43 am Gerry calls ... (01 seconds) SMS

4.19.02 am Sue and Brian Healy call Gerry (01 seconds) SMS

4.20.34 am John McCann calls Gerry (01 seconds) SMS

4.22.12 am ... calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS

Hotel manager E. L. K. [Emma Knight] left the new apartment at 04.30 in the morning after instructions from J.H. She was the last to leave, the police had already left, but she left her number saying that she was available for anything that might be needed.

4.31.30 am Jon Corner calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS

4.31.41 am Jon Corner calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS

4.36.30 am ... calls Kate (17.27 minutes)

4.52.16 am Kate calls Jon Corner (0 seconds) SMS

4.55.54 am Kate calls ... (0 seconds) SMS

During the early morning in question PJ Inspector M. J. P. d. L. Q. [ http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MANUEL_QUEIROZ.htm ] received some telephone calls from people whom, with the exception of one, expressed themselves in Portuguese to ask whether an English girl had really disappeared in Lagos and about what was being done with relation to this and he informed them that this was true and that inquiries were being made in order to find her. One of these calls, from the person who did not express themselves in Portuguese but in English and which was received between 04.30 and 05.30, was made by someone who identified themselves as being from the Sky News TV chain and who requested the same information mentioned earlier.

6.02.08 am Mum mob calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS

6.04.11 am Kate calls Mum mob (0 seconds) SMS

6.05.29 am Kate calls Amanda home (7.02 minutes)

6.08.17 am Jon Corner calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS

6.18.17 am Kate calls Jon Corner (0 seconds) SMS

6.34.53 am ... calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS

6.35.23 am Kate calls ... (0 seconds) SMS

6.39.38 am Kate calls Jon Corner (0 seconds) SMS

6.47.42 am Jon Corner calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS

6.47.54 am Jon Corner calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS

6.48.05 am Jon Corner calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS

6.59.12 am Jon Corner calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS

6.59.44 am Kate calls Jon Corner (0 seconds) SMS

07.00 am GNR Officer P. J. F. N. [ http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAULO-NETO.htm ] saw the McCann couple at about 07.00 alone in the street next to the site where they were stationed.

7.06.06 am Sue and Brian Healy call Gerry (01 seconds) SMS

7.09.04 am John McCann calls Gerry (3.26 minutes)

7.15.19 am Gerry calls Angela Morado UK Consulate (4.51 minutes)

7.23.20 am ... calls Gerry (5.53 minutes)

7.41.14 am Jill mob calls Kate (3.30 minutes)

7.44.48 am ... calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS

7.46.36 am Kate calls ... (0 seconds) SMS

7.48.12 am ... calls Kate (373 seconds)

7.51.14 am ... calls Kate (1.26 minutes)

8.06.14 am mum mob calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS

8.07.52 am Kate calls mum mob (0 seconds) SMS

8.11.35 am Jill mob calls Kate (1.56 minutes)

8.21.21 am Jill mob calls Kate (153 seconds)

8.27.26 am ... calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS

8.28.30 am Kate calls ... (0 seconds) SMS

8.29.56 am ... calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS

8.31.00 am Kate calls Michelle mob (3 seconds)

8.31.21 am Jill mob calls Kate (2.33 minutes)

8.34.09 am Kate calls ... (32 seconds)

8.34.19 am Kate calls Jon Corner (61 seconds)

8.34.59 am voicemail calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS

8.35.15 am Gerry calls Angela Morado, UK consulate (1.43 minutes)

8.35.21 am Kate calls voicemail (20 seconds)

8.36.03 am Kate calls voicemail (37 seconds)

8.45.20 am Kate calls ... (136 seconds)

8.50.27 am Gerry calls Angela Morado, UK consulate (4.47 minutes)

8.51.42 am Kate calls ... (0 seconds) SMS

8.52.41 am Kate calls Jon Corner (73 seconds)

8.56.15 am Kate calls Nuala (47 seconds)

8.57.17 am Jill mob calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS

9.01.55 am ... calls Gerry (1.46 minutes)

9.04.16 am ... calls Gerry (1.28 minutes)

9.05.38 am anonymous number calls Gerry (2.12 minutes)

9.09.32 am ... calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS

9.09.44 am ... calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS

9.09.56 am ... calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS

9.10.39 am Kate calls ... (0 seconds) SMS

9.12.04 am Geteesha mob calls Kate (262 seconds)

9.14.28 am UK consulate in Portugal calls Gerry (3.58 minutes)

9.16.07 am ... calls Gerry (1 second)

9.25.51 am ... calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS

9.26.03 am ... calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS

9.29.18 am Jill mob calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS

9.33.11 am Michelle & Jon call Kate (5.35 minutes)

9.34.42 am Voicemail calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS

9.45.21 am Fiona & Richard call Kate (1.45 minutes)"
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Re: TIME LINE THEORY THANKS TO KAZLUX - file references added
« Reply #29 on: February 28, 2018, 03:46:13 AM »
5th part of Time Line Information:

"Estimated time 9.45 am Social worker Y. M. [ http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/YVONNE-WARREN-MARTIN.htm ] met the McCann couple next to the apartment from where the child had disappeared, accompanied by a third person, a male, who seemed quite familiar to her.

- This third person of the group appeared to be an intimate (friend) of the family as he was the one who, when the media arrived, began to explain what was happening and answering questions, thereby saving the couple from this upset. Afterwards, she further confirmed his closeness to the family when she saw him taking care of the couple's twins, also small children.

- She identified herself and presented her credentials and immediately began talking to the mother of the missing child as she was visibly upset with the situation.

- During the conversation the mother told her that she did not understand why a couple had abducted her daughter.

Because she found it strange that Kate told her that her daughter had been taken by a couple, she tried to separate her from the other two individuals so that she could speak to her with more privacy, suggesting to Kate that they (Y and K) should enter the apartment, Kate aggressively rejected this idea and told her that they could speak on the street.

The witness then asked whether anyone from the Medical Centre had been with Kate as she was very agitated and needed some support, she was told they hadn't.

At this point, Kate told her that her daughter had disappeared 13 hours ago. It was about 10.00 in the morning.

- However, the third individual overheard this conversation and interrupted Ms. Martin and took the McCann couple away from her.

- This same individual came shortly afterwards to tell her that the couple did not want to talk to her any further and did not require her help - an action that appeared quite strange to her.

- Meanwhile, she heard comments next to the complex reception that the British Consul was coming to the site and she decided to wait for this person in order to offer her help.

- During this time, she saw the third individual two more times. Firstly, when he was accompanying an older woman and the McCann twins, demonstrating in this way, the trust that the couple had in him by letting him take care of their two children. On the second occasion, he accompanied what appeared to her to be plain clothed police officers.

--YVONNE describes the third individual as follows:

Aged about 35 years

Of about 1,80 metres in height

Of normal physical appearance

Having short, dark hair

Using graduated glasses of small dimensions with rectangular lenses

Having a round face

Presenting a scar above his eyebrow and on his left cheek

Speaking with a Southern English accent

Wearing light trousers, cream or beige coloured, and a dark polo shirt.

- When she was back home, following the case on English television, she saw the same individual and this time, her initial doubt faded and she concluded that she had seen the face in the course of her professional activity in child protection, not being able to discern if he was a suspect/arguido or witness

- She clarifies that she is capable of making a photographic identification of the individual, and emphasises that with the identified photo it is possible to access the database of the British Police and ascertain whether the individual is related to any crimes involving children

9.46.24 am Jill mob calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS

9.47.48 am Kate calls voicemail (58 seconds).

9.49.50 am ... calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS

9.50.23 am ... calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS

9.50.38 am Kate calls ... (0 seconds) SMS

9.58.53 am ... calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS

9.59.20 am ... calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS

9.59.31 am ... calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS

10.01.06 am ... calls Kate (0 seconds) SMS

10.00 am, 12 hours after the disappearance, the British Consul from Portimão arrives. PJ tell him all that is going on. He is not satisfied and is heard talking on the phone saying the "PJ are doing nothing. " (GA) [ Is this a quote from TTOTL?  ]

****************************

On 4 May, the parents authorized the police to look at their cellphones to check for calls made and received:

Kate's phone: no calls made from 27April to 4 May; she received no calls from 11h22 on 2 May until 23h17 on 3 May

Gerry's phone: nothing prior to 00h15 on 4 May

However, inside Kate's phone there is a record of a call received from Gerry at 11h17, 3 May. But no record of the call on Gerry's phone. It had been erased. (GA). [ Is this a quote from TTOTL?  ]"
 
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