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Offline sadie

Post 6
   
Some have pointed the finger at Gerry as being the man that the Smiths saw.   Put yourself in such a position.

If you wanted to dispose of your dead daughter, would you carry her through the public streets, completely openly?

Of course you wouldn’t.  Such a silly thing to suggest imo.

 

Now an abductor who had been let down by his pick up, was in a very different position IMO.   If he had been commissioned, as I believe, to abduct Madeleine, he had a very valuable commodity and he was out of the apartment, already on his way to pick up, when he realised that the pick up wasn’t coming, IMO

He had to hoof it.  No going back for a bag then.

 

*If * this man was the abductor and his getaway vehicle hadn’t arrived, he was forced to carry this little girl openly.    Seems that he chose a quiet route and called in somewhere to get something warm for his valuable “Commodity”.  When this man was seen by The Smiths,, if indeed they did see him, he appeared from the direction of the Staff quarters which was just about 40 metres up Rua d’Escola from the top group of the Smiths.


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    I am happy to believe it possible that Jane saw Gerry and Jez chatting on her first visit to check her little ones, but also that she may have misremembered the time of seeing Tannerman.

Her sighting could have been at about 9.15, or it could have been at a later time when Jane went to relieve Russell, so that he could get his dinner.  No actual times seem to be mentioned in Janes various statements and Rog but it seems that Russell arrived back at the restaurant at about 9.45

 

So it is likely that Jane was walking up towards Tnnerman corner  at about 9.40 - 9.42 ish.                     

Was it at this time that Jane saw Tannerman ?

 

Was it at this time that Madeleine was being abducted ? 

Almost immediately after Matts check?

 

Or, alternatively,  was the shutter open at the time of Matts check?

Matt commented that there seemed to be light coming in via the window.   Did he say it had a greenish glow?

 

Yellow light + blue curtains = green btw

 

Did a watcher on the balcony overlooking 5A warn the abductor to back off, cos Matt was just going in?  Had he already opened the shutters, letting light in?

 

Immediately after a check (by Matt) would be a perfect time for an abduction.

 

Offline sadie

Post 7

    I am happy to believe it possible that Jane saw Gerry and Jez chatting on her first visit to check her little ones, but also that she may have misremembered the time of seeing Tannerman.

Her sighting could have been at about 9.15, or it could have been at a later time when Jane went to relieve Russell, so that he could get his dinner.  No actual times seem to be mentioned in Janes various statements and Rog but it seems that Russell arrived back at the restaurant at about 9.45

 

So it is likely that Jane was walking up towards Tannerman corner  at about 9.40 - 9.42 ish.                     

Was it at this time that Jane saw Tannerman ?

 

Was it at this time that Madeleine was being abducted ? 

Almost immediately after Matts check?

 

Or, alternatively,  was the shutter open at the time of Matts check?

Matt commented that there seemed to be light coming in via the window.   Did he say it had a greenish glow?

 

Yellow light + blue curtains = green btw

 

Did a watcher on the balcony overlooking 5A warn the abductor to back off, cos Matt was just going in?  Had he already opened the shutters, letting light in?

 

Immediately after a check (by Matt) would be a perfect time for an abduction.

Post 8


    The pile of cigarette butts found on that balcony opposite support the likelihood that there was someone watching and co-ordinating an abduction



Offline sadie

Post 8

    The cigarette butts found on that balcony opposite support the likelihood that there was someone watching and co-ordinating an abduction

Post 9

    * IF *  Gerry and Kate had been involved in any way, then as Brietta points out , they were and still are world class actors to have passed it off, at the dinner table, calmly eating with the others ... and for 11  years since

 

Logically that is so unlikely that two people could do that in tandem with the World watching them and without falter at any time

 

Madeleine was abducted IMO, but they could not have been involved in any way, because of the above and also several witnesses were with them and saw the comings and goings.  They just didn’t have the time.

Offline sadie

Post 9

    * IF *  Gerry and Kate had been involved in any way, then as Brietta points out , they were and still are world class actors to have passed it off, at the dinner table, calmly eating with the others ... and for 11  years since

 

Logically that is so unlikely that two people could do that in tandem with the World watching them and without falter at any time

 

Madeleine was abducted IMO, but they could not have been involved in any way, because of the above and also several witnesses were with them and saw the comings and goings.  They just didn’t have the time.

Post 10

    Kate and Gerry pushed for SY to become involved.  Had they been involved in Madeleine vanishing, they would hardly have called in arguably the Worlds best Police Force to look at the case.

Think about it logically, in similar circumstances, would you have lobbied for SY to be called in?

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Post 10

    Kate and Gerry pushed for SY to become involved.  Had they been involved in Madeleine vanishing, they would hardly have called in arguably the Worlds best Police Force to look at the case.

Think about it logically, in similar circumstances, would you have lobbied for SY to be called in?

Post 11

     Both SY and the special Force at Porto are looking for an abductor / abductors.  They have stated that.  They have also stated that Gerry and Kate are NOT suspects.   And in any case, hHad it been Gerry ( or another Tapas group member), they would have had this case wrapped up months, nay years ago.

 



The above points are all pointers to the probability of a stranger abduction, IMO

There seems to be something Mega-big going on here

Offline sadie

Post 11

     Both SY and the special Force at Porto are looking for an abductor / abductors.  They have stated that.  They have also stated that Gerry and Kate are NOT suspects.   And in any case, hHad it been Gerry ( or another Tapas group member), they would have had this case wrapped up months, nay years ago.

 



The above points are all pointers to the probability of a stranger abduction, IMO

There seems to be something Mega-big going on here

And finally as mentioned in the introductory post, there are witness statements, which some of you prefer to ignore from Kate and Gerry saying about the window being open and the shutters raised.  They have no record of doing anything illegal or telling lies.  The man who accused therm was found to be a perjurer (liar) in the law Courts, so why do you trust him  and distrust the honest couple?

And the 3 witnesses who saw a man loitering staring at the Mccann apartment in the run up to what SY describe as an abduction.


Thank you for reading.  Please add any things that you believe point to an abduction .... or indeed anything that points away from that



All 12 posts are in my honest opinion, where opinion is needed .... BUT GENERALLY MOST IS FACT



Offline G-Unit

Post 1

     Gerry and Kate saw the window open and the shutters up and wrote statements to that effect.  Are you calling them liars?  Are you accusing them of some heinous deed?

An open window and shutter aren't evidence that an abduction has occurred.
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    No Madeleine fingerprints on (a)the window, frame, glass or shutters ... (b) the front door and presumably the outside knob and inner mechanism were checked. ....(c) The patio door                                                                How could she have walked out via the front door, the patio door or the via the window without leaving fingerprints?

Also no fingerprints found on the outside gate, the child gate.

 

Additionally to no Madeleine fingerprints, no skin, blood or fibres were found at any of these places.

 

Madeleine had to have been carried out, abducted, because of the lack of the above evidence.  With no signs of Madeleine, finger prints etc., on any of the exits she could not have walked out on her own volition

Unless you have a cite showing that these areas were checked for fingerprints, blood or fibres you can't say that there were none. The only one that was checked was her bedroom window in my opinion.
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    * IF*  Gerry had done something wrong, he had to have left window and shutter open.  According to YOU guys, several passers by since 9.15pm would have noticed, yet no-one did.  [please note that personally, I don’t think anyone would have noticed unless the shutters were well raised and the curtains fluttering; it was beyond their peripheral vision]                                           

 

The only time that Gerry left the table according to many witnesses was between about 9 and 9.15(ish)

 

So Gerry wasn’t involved, according to YOU guys cos others, who passed, would have seen the shutters up and window open and no-one did despite several passing by.

The window and shutter could have been opened at any time before the alarm was raised. The witnesses to the group's whereabouts are the group members. The Tapas staff saw them at the restaurant, but were unable to confirm who was where when.
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     Historically, there had been a string of 8 abductions in first the Porto area and then the PdL area.  All within 25 milesish of each place.   The Porto ones stopped after the son of an elite was given a talking to and a warning from the Porto police.  Someone pretty impressive must have stepped in here IMO to get him off so lightly.  There was a gap of 5 years after an abduction approx. every 18 months, but with one little girl going in Madeira.

 

The last one was of Carolina Santos, a pretty blond 3 year old girl from Silves>  She was just 3 years old, but the abduction was prevented by the parents looking out and seeing her in the distance walking off hand in hand with a stranger.  They called her and she came running back.  He vanished around the corner.

 

This was just 4 months before Madeleine Vanished !!

Had the abduction of Carolina succeeded, would Madeleine have vanished 4 months later?

No cites, no evidence of a connection; speculation only.
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    A man was witnessed by Jane Tanner walking away in a hurry, carrying a little girl.  We call him Tannerman. 

Where did he come from, if not block A ?  There are no creches in the direction he came from, are there ?                                                       

If an innocent man, why hasn’t he come forward?

If a loving Father, why hadn’t he wrapped his daughter up more warmly on a chilly night?

If he was Crecheman carrying his daughter, why was he walking in the wrong direction ?

 

So Jane Tanner saw a man hurrying away carrying a little girl.  Said man, now called Tannerman was in a hurry and carrying a little girl who was of the correct size  and wearing very similarly described  clothes to Madeleine.

 

Sounds like an abductor to me, especially as he hasn’t come forward

 

Faith, I got in a mess because you interupted my posts.  I would be pleased if could you hold off for a while.  Thanks


No-one is looking for this man any more.
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    Some of you are pointing the finger at Gerry as being the man that the Smiths saw.   Put yourself in such a position.

If you wanted to dispose of your dead daughter, would you carry her through the public streets, completely openly?

 

Of course you wouldn’t.  Such a silly thing to suggest when Gerry had access to bags and blankets to hide her in/ with.

 

Now an abductor who had been let down by his pick up, was in a very different position IMO.   If he had been commissioned, as I believe, to abduct Madeleine, he had a very valuable commodity and he was out of the apartment, already on his way to pick up, when he realised that the pick up wasn’t coming, IMO

He had to hoof it.  No going back for a bag then.

 

*If * this man was the abductor and his getaway vehicle hadn’t arrived, he was forced to carry this little girl openly.    Seems that he chose a quiet route and called in somewhere to get something warm for his valuable “Commodity”.  When this man was seen by The Smiths,, if indeed they did see him, he appeared from the direction of the Staff quarters which was just about 40 metres up Rua d’Escola from the top group of the Smiths. 

 

Did his accomplice live at the Staff quarters ?   On the 3A’s forum it was stated that a scream was heard coming from there.

No-one knows who the Smiths saw, but the child certainly looked like Madeleine and, coincidentally, the man looked like her father. He certainly didn't look like the man Jane Tanner described.
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    I am happy to believe it possible that Jane saw Gerry and Jez chatting on her first visit to check her little ones, but also that she may have misremembered the time of seeing Tannerman.

Her sighting could have been at about 9.15, or it could have been at a later time when Jane went to relieve Russell, so that he could get his dinner.  No actual times seem to be mentioned in Janes various statements and Rog but it seems that Russell arrived back at the restaurant at about 9.45

 

So it is likely that Jane was walking up towards Tnnerman corner  at about 9.40 - 9.42 ish.                     

Was it at this time that Jane saw Tannerman ?

 

Was it at this time that Madeleine was being abducted ? 

Almost immediately after Matts check?

 

Or, alternatively,  was the shutter open at the time of Matts check?

Matt commented that there seemed to be light coming in via the window.   Did he say it had a greenish glow?

 

Yellow light + blue curtains = green btw

 

Did a watcher on the balcony overlooking 5A warn the abductor to back off, cos Matt was just going in?  Had he already opened the shutters, letting light in?

 

Immediately after a check (by Matt) would be a perfect time for an abduction.

Speculation, not evidence.
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   [Rewritten -  soz mistake made and amended]

    The cigarette butts found on that balcony opposite support the likelihood that there was someone watching and co-ordinating an abduction

Then again, maybe not.
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    * IF *  Gerry and Kate had been involved in any way, then as Brietta points out , they were and still are world class actors to have passed it off, at the dinner table, calmly eating with the others ... and for 11  years since

 

Logically that is so unlikely that two people could do that in tandem with the World watching them and without falter at any time

 

Madeleine was abducted IMO, but they could not have been involved in any way, because of the above and also several witnesses were with them and saw the comings and goings.  They just didn’t have the time.

All IYO.
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