The Calpol claim revisited.

[Carana]

Agreed.  Calpol does help children sleep regardless of some of the previous comments.

Alleviating pain or discomfort generally does facilitate sleep.

[Robittybob1]

Where does it say that she hurt herself?

It was a while back I showed that the policy when they take kids sailing was that headgear is supposed to be warn, and there is no mention of headgear, so it is more a possibility of being hurt and the possibility of being given calpol we are discussing here.  But I do recall it was reported Madeleine cried at some stage during the sailing. That plus two of the people involved do not make a statement.
Now all what I'm writing now is from a study well over a year ago, but if the thread remains we talked about Chris Unsworth or however the name was spelt.

"Alice Stanley & Chris Unsworth - Took children sailing May 3rd - Apparently no formal statements from them-"
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6981.msg315340#msg315340

No threads discussing this topic since I've joined so the thread must have been deleted.

[Robittybob1]

G-unit delves into the discrepancy quite well in http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2705.msg285011#msg285011
"I was looking at the statements by the Mark Warner childcare staff and found some interesting bits. The sailing trip was moved from Wednesday morning to Thursday morning by Cat Baker (I assume). No-one ever said why, and so I assumed it was the bad weather on Wednesday that was the reason. The Minis club used by Madeleine McCann was supervised by Amy Tierney who had two staff dealing with the two groups of children; Cat Baker and Emma Wilding.

According to Lyndsay Johnson a sailing trip was undertaken by the Minis which included both groups and the associated staff. Whether that includes Amy she doesn't say, but she seems to think all the Minis were eligible, but refers only to 'several children'

The informant tells us that on a date which she cannot be precise about but which was some time last week, Madeleine McCann participated in a boat trip, organised by the company's crêche. Several children participated in this outing to the sea, accompanied by the employees mentioned above and an expert in water activities, whose name she is not aware of.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LYNSAY-JAYNE.htm

Emma Wilding must have taken children from her group also, then. Or did she stay behind and care for the children who didn't go? Either way she could be expected to remember, right? Wrong!

She is not sure whether during the morning Madeleine's group had outdoor activities, mainly at the pool; she does remember that around 1230 Madelew's (sic) father went to fetch her for lunch. (KM went with Fiona actually)

When questioned, she states that on Wednesday May 2, her group and Madeleine's group went to the beach, but she is not sure if Madeleine was in the group or not,

According to Cat Baker she and Alice Stanley (sailing staff) took Madeleine and 4 or 5 others to the beach. Alice sailed with 3 children at a time in a yellow catamaran. Chris Unsworth ferried the children to the catamaran in a red amphibious boat to the open sea and Alice. After they sailed he returned them to the beach and picked up the next three. I assume, therefore that Cat stayed on the beach if there was no-one else to watch the children waiting.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CATRIONA-TREASA-B.htm

How strange that Emma Wilding didn't remember the sailing trip."

[Miss Taken Identity]

Paracetamol typically does not cause drowsiness.

It can cause drowsiness. It contains paracetamol and an overdose accidentally or otherwise can cause death.

I know this to be true as I found my friend who had tried to... leave the planet voluntarily. I caught her just in time she was very drowsy indeed. This post does not imply the same fate was for MBM. just talking about the drug and affects

[Venturi Swirl]

It can cause drowsiness. It contains paracetamol and an overdose accidentally or otherwise can cause death.

I know this to be true as I found my friend who had tried to... leave the planet voluntarily. I caught her just in time she was very drowsy indeed. This post does not imply the same fate was for MBM. just talking about the drug and affects

Death by paracetamol overdose usually takes days, as it is the kidney (I believe) that gets irreparably damaged, so if you found a friend "just in time" it must have been many , many hours after the overdose.

[Robittybob1]

Death by paracetamol overdose usually takes days, as it is the kidney (I believe) that gets irreparably damaged, so if you found a friend "just in time" it must have been many , many hours after the overdose.

Or in time to get their stomach pumped.  I have a feeling it is liver failure rather than kidneys.

[Lace]

Paracetamol  does not cause drowsiness.

If something causes drowsiness then it would say in the 'side effects'  as it would state not to operate machinery or drive if the tablets caused drowsiness.

[pjcvreis]

https://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.co.nz/2007/09/madeleines-grandfather-admits-kate-may.html

"Saturday, 8 September 2007
MADELEINE'S GRANDFATHER ADMITS KATE “MAY HAVE USED CALPOL”
Brian Healy, the father of Kate McCann, admitted she “may have used Calpol” to help Madeleine to sleep, but said it was “just outrageous to think of anything else." Gerry and Kate strongly denied, on August 16, using any kind of drugs on their children to stop them waking up at night. Calpol is a common painkiller that is used, in UK, to to calm them down or help children to sleep. Twelve million bottles and packets of Calpol are sold every year, in UK."

So how did Paulo Reis get to know about it?

The story, with this tittle, was published in this page, on the online edition of "The Sun". The page was deleted and I'm not sure if it was in the paper edition.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2005320001-2007410851,00.html


"Correio a Manhã", a Portuguese daily newspaper, also quotes "The Sun", on it's edition of the same day.

TRANQUILIZER FOR MADDIE

Kate's father Brian Healy admitted yesterday that his granddaughter was taking Calpol, a tranquilizer for sleeping that is marketed in the United Kingdom and whose sale is authorized in Portugal by Infarmed. Healy criticized the Portuguese police and defended the couple.

https://www.cmjornal.pt/exclusivos/detalhe/suspeitos-de-matar-e-esconder-maddie

[pjcvreis]

https://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.co.nz/2007/09/madeleines-grandfather-admits-kate-may.html

"Saturday, 8 September 2007
MADELEINE'S GRANDFATHER ADMITS KATE “MAY HAVE USED CALPOL”
Brian Healy, the father of Kate McCann, admitted she “may have used Calpol” to help Madeleine to sleep, but said it was “just outrageous to think of anything else." Gerry and Kate strongly denied, on August 16, using any kind of drugs on their children to stop them waking up at night. Calpol is a common painkiller that is used, in UK, to to calm them down or help children to sleep. Twelve million bottles and packets of Calpol are sold every year, in UK."

So how did Paulo Reis get to know about it?

The story, with this tittle, was published in this page, on the online edition of "The Sun". The page was deleted and I'm not sure if it was in the papel edition.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2005320001-2007410851,00.html
"Saturday, 8 September 2007
MADELEINE'S GRANDFATHER ADMITS KATE “MAY HAVE USED CALPOL”

The story of the "The Sun" is reproduced here:
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/friends-and-family-anger-sun-07-09-2007-t389.html

Friends and family anger
By ONLINE REPORTER
Published: 07 Sep 2007
FRIENDS of the McCann's who dined with the couple on the night Maddie disappeared have backed Kate. In a joint statement, the group stressed their firm belief that she was innocent.
(...)
Mr Healy said: "I know Kate and Gerry would not harm Madeleine at all.  Kate may have used Calpol (to help her sleep), but it's just outrageous to think of anything else" (...)

"Correio a Manhã", a Portuguese daily newspaper, also quotes "The Sun", on it's edition of the same day

https://www.cmjornal.pt/exclusivos/detalhe/suspeitos-de-matar-e-esconder-maddie
TRANQUILIZANTE PARA MADDIE
Brian Healy, pai de Kate, admitiu ontem que a sua neta tomava Calpol, um tranquilizante para dormir que é comercializado no Reino Unido e cuja venda está autorizada em Portugal pelo Infarmed. Healy criticou a polícia portuguesa e defendeu o casal.

Other bloggers mention "The Sun" story

https://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2007/11/dossier-madeleine-in-observador-xxi.html
Calpol: o medicamento antipirético
Novos desenvolvimentos no caso Madeleine. Numa entrevista ao The Sun, o avô materno de Madeleine, Brian Healy, revelou que a filha (Kate) «apenas terá usado Calpol para a ajudar a menina a dormir».

https://frommybigdesk.blogspot.com/2009_08_07_archive.html
While the grandfather stated on television that Kate gave Calpol to the children to get them to sleep (...)

https://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?p=1059977281
(...) when interviewed in 2009 by SkyNews Brian Healy said, "I think they may have used Calpol" and there's nothing wrong with that. Brian then added almost as an afterthought, "..like most mothers do (...)

[Lace]

The story, with this tittle, was published in this page, on the online edition of "The Sun". The page was deleted and I'm not sure if it was in the papel edition.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2005320001-2007410851,00.html
"Saturday, 8 September 2007
MADELEINE'S GRANDFATHER ADMITS KATE “MAY HAVE USED CALPOL”

The story of the "The Sun" is reproduced here:
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/friends-and-family-anger-sun-07-09-2007-t389.html

Friends and family anger
By ONLINE REPORTER
Published: 07 Sep 2007
FRIENDS of the McCann's who dined with the couple on the night Maddie disappeared have backed Kate. In a joint statement, the group stressed their firm belief that she was innocent.
(...)
Mr Healy said: "I know Kate and Gerry would not harm Madeleine at all.  Kate may have used Calpol (to help her sleep), but it's just outrageous to think of anything else" (...)

"Correio a Manhã", a Portuguese daily newspaper, also quotes "The Sun", on it's edition of the same day

https://www.cmjornal.pt/exclusivos/detalhe/suspeitos-de-matar-e-esconder-maddie
TRANQUILIZANTE PARA MADDIE
Brian Healy, pai de Kate, admitiu ontem que a sua neta tomava Calpol, um tranquilizante para dormir que é comercializado no Reino Unido e cuja venda está autorizada em Portugal pelo Infarmed. Healy criticou a polícia portuguesa e defendeu o casal.

Other bloggers mention "The Sun" story

https://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2007/11/dossier-madeleine-in-observador-xxi.html
Calpol: o medicamento antipirético
Novos desenvolvimentos no caso Madeleine. Numa entrevista ao The Sun, o avô materno de Madeleine, Brian Healy, revelou que a filha (Kate) «apenas terá usado Calpol para a ajudar a menina a dormir».

https://frommybigdesk.blogspot.com/2009_08_07_archive.html
While the grandfather stated on television that Kate gave Calpol to the children to get them to sleep (...)

https://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?p=1059977281
(...) when interviewed in 2009 by SkyNews Brian Healy said, "I think they may have used Calpol" and there's nothing wrong with that. Brian then added almost as an afterthought, "..like most mothers do (...)

Brain Healy has been miss quoted,  in the most disgusting way.

He was asked,   did he know if the McCann's give the children any drugs to help them sleep.   He answered NO the only thing he had ever seen them give Madeleine was Calpol.    He didn't say they give Calpol to help her sleep.

The only way a pain relief medicine such as Calpol that only contains Paracetamol  can help a child sleep is when it gets rid of pain and reduces temperature helping the child to finally go to sleep,  it does not act as a sedative.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Paracetamol  does not cause drowsiness.

If something causes drowsiness then it would say in the 'side effects'  as it would state not to operate machinery or drive if the tablets caused drowsiness.

Very true, however it contains caffine which helps to make the pain relief work. if someone is in  lot of pain and  can't sleep for a while they do eventually have to sleep and this is where patients can get drowsy, lack of sleep. The pain relief may cause a deep sleep , depending on a lot of things.

MBM has not been mentioned as being unwell or need of calpol.  It has been associated as a 'drug' in the suggestion that the children were drugged. If they were, then calpol would not have been any use.  Kate being a qualified anaesthetist would know this.

 She would also know her own children's behavioural patterns, so to suspect they may have been drugged is interesting.

[Mr Gray]

Very true, however it contains caffine which helps to make the pain relief work. if someone is in  lot of pain and  can't sleep for a while they do eventually have to sleep and this is where patients can get drowsy, lack of sleep. The pain relief may cause a deep sleep , depending on a lot of things.

MBM has not been mentioned as being unwell or need of calpol.  It has been associated as a 'drug' in the suggestion that the children were drugged. If they were, then calpol would not have been any use.  Kate being a qualified anaesthetist would know this.

 She would also know her own children's behavioural patterns, so to suspect they may have been drugged is interesting.

That is, sleep... Not sedation... Children on holiday are likely to fall into a deep sleep due to simply overdoing it... I've seen it many many times... How a child can fall asleep... Stay asleep and be very difficult to rouse

[Miss Taken Identity]

That is, sleep... Not sedation... Children on holiday are likely to fall into a deep sleep due to simply overdoing it... I've seen it many many times... How a child can fall asleep... Stay asleep and be very difficult to rouse

Why are you replying to my post as if I have made a claim of sorts? I never suggested the children were drugged, it was the mother, and she should known she was there.  Bit of a coincidence that this particular night they all slept very soundly after previous nights waking up crying. As was acknowledged  at their home. Also the parents did share concern about their light sleeping patterns by  discussing opening doors and putting on/off light so as not to disturb them. If opening doors can wake them then...well no wonder KATE thought to suggest they were drugged to explain their 'unusual deep sleep' when all hell was broken lose that night!

[Mr Gray]

Kate always made sure the children went to bed, at the proper time... She would have had little experience  of children who were worn out.... I have experience  of sedation and experience  of taking small children on holiday... The twins behaviour was quite normal

[Sunny]

I would have thought that Kate would have had a lot of experience taking young children on holiday, given she had 3 kids under 4 and they regularly took them away for the weekend according to the Kate herself eg family visits, Donegal, Centreparks etc.