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« Reply #76 on: April 19, 2018, 11:50:43 AM »
I'm interested in learning the truth of this case. Who murdered Jill Dando.

And why isn't Barry George innocent enough?

What do the police know that we don't?

The guilty walk in the footsteps of the innocent

They and indeed their families will go to great lengths in order to keep up appearances - I speak from experience you understand!

Where were Barry George's family when he was living in London, apparantly stalking women on a regular basis, and why did his family and friends allow him to live in such a mess? What's the back story?

"Doctors who examined George after his arrest diagnosed an impressive array of psychiatric disorders: psychopathic personality, narcissistic personality, histrionic personality, paranoid personality and Asperger’s Syndrome (a disorder linked to autism). As a boy he was diagnosed as suffering from attention hyperactivity disorder. George was also diagnosed as having somatisation disorder and concurrent factitious disorder.

Whether psychiatric diagnoses mean anything is debatable. However, the police and courts credit them and therefore should have taken them into account before a prosecution was mounted. The interesting thing about these diagnoses is that they relate to personality traits which could innocently explain every part of George’s supposedly suspicious behaviour both before and after the Dando murder. A psychopathic personality is prone to lying and using aliases.

A narcissistic personality is one who urgently seeks attention and admiration and has a heightened sense of self-importance. A histrionic personality will imagine they have a well developed relationship with someone they do not know at all in a personal sense. A paranoid personality has obvious ramifications for George’s suspicion of the police.

Asperger’s sufferers have major problems with personal relationships and a tendency to become obsessive. Finally, somatisation disorder and concurrent factitious disorder explained his imagined illnesses.
https://livinginamadhouse.wordpress.com/2012/01/09/barry-george-and-the-celebrity-effect/
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« Reply #77 on: April 19, 2018, 12:33:11 PM »
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ltgorwROQfwC&pg=PA117&lpg=PA117&dq=michael+boirke+barry+george+campaign+to+clear+name&source=bl&ots=Osv66NAZ9H&sig=u6QkUj9tNaTGF9YhqcBKAPXCuHU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwidxre7ua_aAhWNSsAKHUtQDA4Q6AEwBXoECAEQAQ#v=onepage&q=michael%20boirke%20barry%20george%20campaign%20to%20clear%20name&f=false

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9318.msg454799#msg454799 "Barry George's Mike says he felt bitter for a long time after George was released from prison. He talks of how he and fellow supporters were ultimately dumped by George; even though he'd put in years of campaigning?

I ask again, why has Barry George's sister Michelle (nee Diskin) Bate's become Patron to mass murderer & child killer Jeremy Bamber's campaign? https://www.change.org/p/rt-hon-amber-rudd-mp-home-secretary-essex-police-release-all-documents-withheld-under-pii-to-jeremy-bamber-s-legal-defence/u/17935097

They are no similarities in either case

Michelle Bates is apparently up in arms by the fact her brother has not been compensated as he had been found to be not innocent enough.

"Michelle is backing a Campaign to amend the Criminal Justice Act, section 133, which affects many whose convictions have been overturned, or who have been found not guilty at retrial. https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/33/section/133

Is she not concerned her brother could be re-tried in the future if new evidence were to come to light?

Her brothers over turned conviction is similar in parts to the Gary Dobson and David Norris convictions.

https://www.ft.com/content/45d351a2-3715-11e1-b741-00144feabdc0

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2013/712.html

https://www.criminallawandjustice.co.uk/blog/No-Coincidence

https://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=1351642

Michelle Bates has written a false and indeed misleading blog about her memories following the WHF murders.

On this basis, what has she said or written about her brother which is as equally false and indeed misleading?
« Last Edit: April 19, 2018, 01:01:07 PM by Stephanie »
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« Reply #78 on: April 19, 2018, 01:15:37 PM »
I cannot get away from the fact that Michelle (nee Diskin) Bates apparent values appear to conflict with her behaviours, which in turn would be suggestive of moral duplicity.
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« Reply #79 on: April 19, 2018, 01:36:48 PM »
"Doctors who examined George after his arrest diagnosed an impressive array of psychiatric disorders: psychopathic personality, narcissistic personality, histrionic personality, paranoid personality and Asperger’s Syndrome (a disorder linked to autism). As a boy he was diagnosed as suffering from attention hyperactivity disorder. George was also diagnosed as having somatisation disorder and concurrent factitious disorder.

Whether psychiatric diagnoses mean anything is debatable. However, the police and courts credit them and therefore should have taken them into account before a prosecution was mounted. The interesting thing about these diagnoses is that they relate to personality traits which could innocently explain every part of George’s supposedly suspicious behaviour both before and after the Dando murder. A psychopathic personality is prone to lying and using aliases.

A narcissistic personality is one who urgently seeks attention and admiration and has a heightened sense of self-importance. A histrionic personality will imagine they have a well developed relationship with someone they do not know at all in a personal sense. A paranoid personality has obvious ramifications for George’s suspicion of the police.

Asperger’s sufferers have major problems with personal relationships and a tendency to become obsessive. Finally, somatisation disorder and concurrent factitious disorder explained his imagined illnesses.
https://livinginamadhouse.wordpress.com/2012/01/09/barry-george-and-the-celebrity-effect/

A psychopathic person is prone to many more traits than lying and using aliases. The above statement is misleading.

Narcissism and psychopathy go hand in hand. A psychopath is also a narcissistic, though a narcissist is not necessarily a psychopath.

"Over the years, few large-scale prospective studies have targeted the causes of personality disorders (PDs). But recently, a new body of research has begun to explore the potential influences of several factors, from genetics and parenting to peer influences, and even the randomness of life events

Thus, although both genetics and environment contributed to the association between normal and abnormal personality, genetics appeared to play the greater role overall, Krueger says. "The predominant reason normal and abnormal personality are linked to each other is because they are linked to the same underlying genetic mechanisms," he explains.

With borderline PD, for example, ongoing research indicates that there may be a genetic base for the problems with impulsivity and aggression, says the University of California's Judd. But environmental influences are significant and can extend deep into childhood, even infancy, Judd adds.
"There is a pretty high prevalence of maltreatment by caregivers across all personality disorders," she notes. "One of the key problems appears to be neglect. Probably more of an emotional neglect--more of a lack of attention to a child's emotional needs."
http://www.apa.org/monitor/mar04/awry.aspx
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« Reply #80 on: April 19, 2018, 03:24:46 PM »
I ask again, why has Barry George's sister Michelle (nee Diskin) Bate's become Patron to mass murderer & child killer Jeremy Bamber's campaign? https://www.change.org/p/rt-hon-amber-rudd-mp-home-secretary-essex-police-release-all-documents-withheld-under-pii-to-jeremy-bamber-s-legal-defence/u/17935097

They are no similarities in either case

Michelle Bates is apparently up in arms by the fact her brother has not been compensated as he had been found to be not innocent enough.

"Michelle is backing a Campaign to amend the Criminal Justice Act, section 133, which affects many whose convictions have been overturned, or who have been found not guilty at retrial. https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/33/section/133

Is she not concerned her brother could be re-tried in the future if new evidence were to come to light?

Her brothers over turned conviction is similar in parts to the Gary Dobson and David Norris convictions.

https://www.ft.com/content/45d351a2-3715-11e1-b741-00144feabdc0

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2013/712.html

https://www.criminallawandjustice.co.uk/blog/No-Coincidence

https://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=1351642

Michelle Bates has written a false and indeed misleading blog about her memories following the WHF murders.

On this basis, what has she said or written about her brother which is as equally false and indeed misleading?

Michelle Bates writes and I quote,

"Justice is never served by the conviction of the innocent" by Michelle Bates on the 31st Anniversary of the tragedies (Jerrmy Bamber case)

"Becoming aware of a breaking-news story I began to listen in more closely. A siege was taking place at a farmhouse in England. The broadcaster relayed that five people were inside and there was great fear for their safety. As the story unfolded it became apparent that this was an older couple. A farmer and retired Magistrate, Nevill Bamber and his wife, June; their daughter, Sheila, and her six year old twin sons. Jeremy, their son, was outside with police who were trying to communicate with someone inside the house who had been seen pacing back and forth in front of an upstairs window and carrying a firearm. The reporter said that police were reluctant to get too close to the house for fear of causing that person to become more agitated, thereby, escalating the danger to the family. I watched for an hour or so but there was no resolution and, heavily pregnant, I became exhausted and had to go off to bed.
No one was seen pacing back and forth carrying a firearm - this is a lie
Awaking early I was anxious for news
, hopefully of a rescue, so I put the News on immediately. The siege was over, police had stormed the house and five bodies had been found inside. I was heartbroken, a whole family! My heart went out to the young man who had waited all night long with the police for news of his family; this was not what he wanted to hear.
There was no live TV coverage during the time Bamber was outside the farmhouse with the police - another lie 
My own child was born a few days later and I became engrossed in motherhood. It was a real shock to hear, sometime later, that the son, Jeremy Bamber, had been arrested for the killings…how was that possible when he was outside during the siege and everyone knew that? I presumed the police knew something we did not; there must have been strong evidence to convict a man of killing his entire family…I pushed my unease aside and got on with motherhood and my own life.

Since then I have revisited the facts of this case in light of so many high-profile miscarriage of justice cases coming to light, including that of my own brother, Barry George, for the murder of Jill Dando. More recently we’ve heard of the lies and cover-ups in the Hillsborough deaths and The Chilcot report exposing the same type of cover ups in the Iraqi war scandal. In the Bamber case I can find no evidence to convince me of the guilt of this man. Nothing that can account for a man languishing in jail for more than thirty years. How did a jury convict a young man without proof?

Our justice system is predicated on the ‘presumption of innocence’ and also on ‘beyond reasonable doubt,’ but there is so much doubt surrounding this conviction that this case must be looked into again, urgently. The CCRC and the Court of Appeal seem to be reluctant to do this, and the police, for their part, have been withholding evidence from the defendant. It will cost thousands of pounds to, again, take them to court to force them to hand over the papers and forensic results that the court has already told them they must do. They have also effectively ‘locked down’ documents in the case under a PII* order; what is there to hide? Meanwhile, a man is fighting a conviction for multiple murders that there is no proof he committed. Surely this is not the justice system his father, a Magistrate was proud to be a part of? https://jeremybamber.blogspot.co.uk/2016/08/justice-is-never-served-by-conviction.html

Barry George had his conviction quashed. He's not been paid awarded compensation because he's not innocent enough. A judge concluded a jury properly directed may have come to a different conclusion; words to that effect

Michelle Bates is claiming Jeremy Bamber is innocent, she says the same about her brother?

Mark Williams Thomas was involved in both the Bamber and George cases, one via a TV documentary the other a newspaper series.

Who should we believe? I do not believe Michelle Bates!

Furthermore, Michael Mansfield QC was misled in relation to the Simon Hall case. He could have been misled in relation to Barry George. Personality disordered individuals can be extremely convincing.

Mrs Bates further claims in the Bamber case:  "Dead people don’t walk (and two only became one at marriage!). Sheila alive, even when police stormed the building. Tragic murder/suicide. 😢 https://mobile.twitter.com/Michelle_Diskin/status/917077719749361664
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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #81 on: April 19, 2018, 07:17:58 PM »
Michelle Bates writes and I quote,

"Justice is never served by the conviction of the innocent" by Michelle Bates on the 31st Anniversary of the tragedies (Jerrmy Bamber case)

"Becoming aware of a breaking-news story I began to listen in more closely. A siege was taking place at a farmhouse in England. The broadcaster relayed that five people were inside and there was great fear for their safety. As the story unfolded it became apparent that this was an older couple. A farmer and retired Magistrate, Nevill Bamber and his wife, June; their daughter, Sheila, and her six year old twin sons. Jeremy, their son, was outside with police who were trying to communicate with someone inside the house who had been seen pacing back and forth in front of an upstairs window and carrying a firearm. The reporter said that police were reluctant to get too close to the house for fear of causing that person to become more agitated, thereby, escalating the danger to the family. I watched for an hour or so but there was no resolution and, heavily pregnant, I became exhausted and had to go off to bed.
No one was seen pacing back and forth carrying a firearm - this is a lie
Awaking early I was anxious for news
, hopefully of a rescue, so I put the News on immediately. The siege was over, police had stormed the house and five bodies had been found inside. I was heartbroken, a whole family! My heart went out to the young man who had waited all night long with the police for news of his family; this was not what he wanted to hear.
There was no live TV coverage during the time Bamber was outside the farmhouse with the police - another lie 
My own child was born a few days later and I became engrossed in motherhood. It was a real shock to hear, sometime later, that the son, Jeremy Bamber, had been arrested for the killings…how was that possible when he was outside during the siege and everyone knew that? I presumed the police knew something we did not; there must have been strong evidence to convict a man of killing his entire family…I pushed my unease aside and got on with motherhood and my own life.

Since then I have revisited the facts of this case in light of so many high-profile miscarriage of justice cases coming to light, including that of my own brother, Barry George, for the murder of Jill Dando. More recently we’ve heard of the lies and cover-ups in the Hillsborough deaths and The Chilcot report exposing the same type of cover ups in the Iraqi war scandal. In the Bamber case I can find no evidence to convince me of the guilt of this man. Nothing that can account for a man languishing in jail for more than thirty years. How did a jury convict a young man without proof?

Our justice system is predicated on the ‘presumption of innocence’ and also on ‘beyond reasonable doubt,’ but there is so much doubt surrounding this conviction that this case must be looked into again, urgently. The CCRC and the Court of Appeal seem to be reluctant to do this, and the police, for their part, have been withholding evidence from the defendant. It will cost thousands of pounds to, again, take them to court to force them to hand over the papers and forensic results that the court has already told them they must do. They have also effectively ‘locked down’ documents in the case under a PII* order; what is there to hide? Meanwhile, a man is fighting a conviction for multiple murders that there is no proof he committed. Surely this is not the justice system his father, a Magistrate was proud to be a part of? https://jeremybamber.blogspot.co.uk/2016/08/justice-is-never-served-by-conviction.html

Barry George had his conviction quashed. He's not been paid awarded compensation because he's not innocent enough. A judge concluded a jury properly directed may have come to a different conclusion; words to that effect

Michelle Bates is claiming Jeremy Bamber is innocent, she says the same about her brother?

Mark Williams Thomas was involved in both the Bamber and George cases, one via a TV documentary the other a newspaper series.

Who should we believe? I do not believe Michelle Bates!

Furthermore, Michael Mansfield QC was misled in relation to the Simon Hall case. He could have been misled in relation to Barry George. Personality disordered individuals can be extremely convincing.

Mrs Bates further claims in the Bamber case:  "Dead people don’t walk (and two only became one at marriage!). Sheila alive, even when police stormed the building. Tragic murder/suicide. 😢 https://mobile.twitter.com/Michelle_Diskin/status/917077719749361664

Published On: Tue, Aug 29th, 2017 *Legal | By David Wells
Are you a victim of a genuine miscarriage of justice?

https://insidetime.org/are-you-a-victim-of-a-genuine-miscarriage-of-justice/

"As an example, he has worked on trying to assist Barry George, wrongly convicted of the murder of Jill Dando, and with his quest to obtain the justice it is strongly felt he deserves by getting compensation for having served a 9 year sentence for a crime he did not commit.

Re: Mark Williams Thomas

Cass says:
28th September 2017 at 2:42 pm
"I’m surprised David that as a qualified Solicitor and Barrister who has worked on some high profile cases that you haven’t done your homework on Mark Williams Thomas.
A bit of research will tell you that he was only a Detective for a year in Surrey then left, though I have heard he jumped before he was pushed.
He is not an expert in child protection, and a Masters in criminology, with no other post grad degree, doesn’t make him an expert in that field either.
His various CV’s about investigating or leading high profile cases are I would argue also untrue as Senior officers lead investigations.
Credit due for his dogged work in the Saville case, but he was invited on board by Merrion Jones after a lot of ground work was done. In fact he told Merrion by e-mail he was ‘keen to be involved’ as he started the Jonathan King investigation, which actually started after he left the force and was investigated by other officers.
Merrion thought MWT would be useful as an ex Surrey officer to find out if they had carried out an investigation into Saville. MWT agreed to ‘dig around’… it’s all in the Pollard Review.
As for ‘The Investigator’ the show revealed nothing that wasn’t already in the public domain and was edited to make MWT look good. It’s all in the Court of Appeal decision at http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2003/1840.html
Anyway I don’t wish to harp on, but I often wonder if those who purport to be what they are not actually have a strong belief in justice for others…. or simply a desire to boost their own ego and line their own pockets.
Purporting to those who have suffered the loss of loved ones to be a seasoned and experienced investigator is not for me in the interests of justice. It is called giving false hope… as he did in the Investigator.
If David, as MWT said himself, you ‘dig around’, you’ll come to see he’s not all that he purports to be. In fact why not ask him face to face and see what he says. He knows what it’s like to be grilled after standing trial for Blackmail and being found not guilty.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/southern_counties/2957264.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/southern_counties/2963918.stm
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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #82 on: April 19, 2018, 08:00:12 PM »
Published On: Tue, Aug 29th, 2017 *Legal | By David Wells
Are you a victim of a genuine miscarriage of justice?

https://insidetime.org/are-you-a-victim-of-a-genuine-miscarriage-of-justice/

"As an example, he has worked on trying to assist Barry George, wrongly convicted of the murder of Jill Dando, and with his quest to obtain the justice it is strongly felt he deserves by getting compensation for having served a 9 year sentence for a crime he did not commit.

Re: Mark Williams Thomas

Cass says:
28th September 2017 at 2:42 pm
"I’m surprised David that as a qualified Solicitor and Barrister who has worked on some high profile cases that you haven’t done your homework on Mark Williams Thomas.
A bit of research will tell you that he was only a Detective for a year in Surrey then left, though I have heard he jumped before he was pushed.
He is not an expert in child protection, and a Masters in criminology, with no other post grad degree, doesn’t make him an expert in that field either.
His various CV’s about investigating or leading high profile cases are I would argue also untrue as Senior officers lead investigations.
Credit due for his dogged work in the Saville case, but he was invited on board by Merrion Jones after a lot of ground work was done. In fact he told Merrion by e-mail he was ‘keen to be involved’ as he started the Jonathan King investigation, which actually started after he left the force and was investigated by other officers.
Merrion thought MWT would be useful as an ex Surrey officer to find out if they had carried out an investigation into Saville. MWT agreed to ‘dig around’… it’s all in the Pollard Review.
As for ‘The Investigator’ the show revealed nothing that wasn’t already in the public domain and was edited to make MWT look good. It’s all in the Court of Appeal decision at http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2003/1840.html
Anyway I don’t wish to harp on, but I often wonder if those who purport to be what they are not actually have a strong belief in justice for others…. or simply a desire to boost their own ego and line their own pockets.
Purporting to those who have suffered the loss of loved ones to be a seasoned and experienced investigator is not for me in the interests of justice. It is called giving false hope… as he did in the Investigator.
If David, as MWT said himself, you ‘dig around’, you’ll come to see he’s not all that he purports to be. In fact why not ask him face to face and see what he says. He knows what it’s like to be grilled after standing trial for Blackmail and being found not guilty.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/southern_counties/2957264.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/southern_counties/2963918.stm

Mark Williams-Thomas: says his Jimmy Savile documentary was ‘a huge risk in terms of reputation’.
"When we meet, prestigious industry awards are far from Williams-Thomas's mind. He is concerned about changes to relations between the police and media and the threat to serious investigative journalism.
As a police officer in Surrey, he would pass information to local reporters if he believed its disclosure was in the public interest. If those conversations happened today, Williams-Thomas would be facing arrest or suspension
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/feb/24/mark-williams-thomas-jimmy-savile


The Investigator: a British Crime Story, review: a true crime series riddled with X Factor-style clichés
"Produced by Simon Cowell’s Syco production company, The Investigator is a show built on solid ground – true crime from the US, from The Jinx to Making a Murderer to The People vs OJ Simpson, has provided some of the best television of the last five years https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2018/04/05/investigator-british-crime-story-review-true-crime-series-riddled/

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jill-dando-murder-documentary-watch-5460623   
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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #83 on: April 21, 2018, 07:14:45 PM »
Michelle Bates writes and I quote,

"Justice is never served by the conviction of the innocent" by Michelle Bates on the 31st Anniversary of the tragedies (Jerrmy Bamber case)

"Becoming aware of a breaking-news story I began to listen in more closely. A siege was taking place at a farmhouse in England. The broadcaster relayed that five people were inside and there was great fear for their safety. As the story unfolded it became apparent that this was an older couple. A farmer and retired Magistrate, Nevill Bamber and his wife, June; their daughter, Sheila, and her six year old twin sons. Jeremy, their son, was outside with police who were trying to communicate with someone inside the house who had been seen pacing back and forth in front of an upstairs window and carrying a firearm. The reporter said that police were reluctant to get too close to the house for fear of causing that person to become more agitated, thereby, escalating the danger to the family. I watched for an hour or so but there was no resolution and, heavily pregnant, I became exhausted and had to go off to bed.
No one was seen pacing back and forth carrying a firearm - this is a lie
Awaking early I was anxious for news
, hopefully of a rescue, so I put the News on immediately. The siege was over, police had stormed the house and five bodies had been found inside. I was heartbroken, a whole family! My heart went out to the young man who had waited all night long with the police for news of his family; this was not what he wanted to hear.
There was no live TV coverage during the time Bamber was outside the farmhouse with the police - another lie 
My own child was born a few days later and I became engrossed in motherhood. It was a real shock to hear, sometime later, that the son, Jeremy Bamber, had been arrested for the killings…how was that possible when he was outside during the siege and everyone knew that? I presumed the police knew something we did not; there must have been strong evidence to convict a man of killing his entire family…I pushed my unease aside and got on with motherhood and my own life.

Since then I have revisited the facts of this case in light of so many high-profile miscarriage of justice cases coming to light, including that of my own brother, Barry George, for the murder of Jill Dando. More recently we’ve heard of the lies and cover-ups in the Hillsborough deaths and The Chilcot report exposing the same type of cover ups in the Iraqi war scandal. In the Bamber case I can find no evidence to convince me of the guilt of this man. Nothing that can account for a man languishing in jail for more than thirty years. How did a jury convict a young man without proof?

Our justice system is predicated on the ‘presumption of innocence’ and also on ‘beyond reasonable doubt,’ but there is so much doubt surrounding this conviction that this case must be looked into again, urgently. The CCRC and the Court of Appeal seem to be reluctant to do this, and the police, for their part, have been withholding evidence from the defendant. It will cost thousands of pounds to, again, take them to court to force them to hand over the papers and forensic results that the court has already told them they must do. They have also effectively ‘locked down’ documents in the case under a PII* order; what is there to hide? Meanwhile, a man is fighting a conviction for multiple murders that there is no proof he committed. Surely this is not the justice system his father, a Magistrate was proud to be a part of? https://jeremybamber.blogspot.co.uk/2016/08/justice-is-never-served-by-conviction.html

Barry George had his conviction quashed. He's not been paid awarded compensation because he's not innocent enough. A judge concluded a jury properly directed may have come to a different conclusion; words to that effect

Michelle Bates is claiming Jeremy Bamber is innocent, she says the same about her brother?

Mark Williams Thomas was involved in both the Bamber and George cases, one via a TV documentary the other a newspaper series.

Who should we believe? I do not believe Michelle Bates!

Furthermore, Michael Mansfield QC was misled in relation to the Simon Hall case. He could have been misled in relation to Barry George. Personality disordered individuals can be extremely convincing.

Mrs Bates further claims in the Bamber case:  "Dead people don’t walk (and two only became one at marriage!). Sheila alive, even when police stormed the building. Tragic murder/suicide. 😢 https://mobile.twitter.com/Michelle_Diskin/status/917077719749361664

On 9th Jan 2018, in response to the following https://innocent.org.uk/2018/01/09/luke-mitchell-launches-fresh-innocence-appeal/ on the Luke Mitchell case Michelle (Diskin) Bates states

"There never was any evidence to link Luke to this terrible killing, just supposition and wild fantasy."

She's of course entitled to her opinions but it just makes me doubt her brother's overturned conviction even more.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=583.0
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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #84 on: April 22, 2018, 02:48:49 PM »
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ltgorwROQfwC&pg=PA117&lpg=PA117&dq=michael+boirke+barry+george+campaign+to+clear+name&source=bl&ots=Osv66NAZ9H&sig=u6QkUj9tNaTGF9YhqcBKAPXCuHU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwidxre7ua_aAhWNSsAKHUtQDA4Q6AEwBXoECAEQAQ#v=onepage&q=michael%20boirke%20barry%20george%20campaign%20to%20clear%20name&f=false

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9318.msg454799#msg454799 "Barry George's uncle Mike says he felt bitter for a long time after George was released from prison. He talks of how he and fellow supporters were ultimately dumped by George; even though he'd put in years of campaigning?

"The sister who stood by him. In the dark days after his conviction and when his first appeal was thrown out she renewed her efforts, urging supporters to wear a bright flower on their lapel. Her greatest ally was the fact that many people believed there was something not quite right about the case.
Ms Diskin, 52, has lived for 25 years in the village of Ballincollig, County Cork, where memories of British justice go further back even than the Birmingham Six and Guildford Four. A local administrator, she is married with three children. For the past eight years she has travelled the country to countless meetings.
Her website has been inundated with support. She has also helped with a book about the case
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/he-stalked-diana-and-had-400-women-on-film-6866238.html


Her website? According to Mike's book, it wasn't her website? https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ltgorwROQfwC&pg=PA108&lpg=PA108&dq=barry+george+mike+story&source=bl&ots=Osv77JEYgK&sig=wMLxHQUzDrrwdZhrvyhIfhiX8U8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiDnsyJtc7aAhXWFsAKHYwwAr8Q6AEwBHoECAUQAQ#v=onepage&q=barry%20george%20mike%20story&f=false

What about the uncle Mike who stood by him? What about the other supporters referred to in Mike's book?

Why has Michelle Bates put herself front and centre stage?

Why does she never refer to those people who ran Barry George's website?

Why does she never mention Michael Burke and the others who grafted for Barry George?

Why were they "dumped?"

Why at this point does it appear to have become all about Michelle Bates? https://www.irishtimes.com/news/barry-george-s-sister-tells-of-huge-strain-of-campaign-1.931572

To me it feels reminiscent of Simon Hall's adoptive mother. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-12195159
(Remember, she knew of the Zenith burglary, among other things. And, she WAS NOT involved in the campaign by this point, nor was she in contact with Hall's legal team - that I was aware of at the time)

The power of secrets https://therealmrshspoofblog.wordpress.com/2016/03/26/the-power-of-secrets/

With hindsight, regarding the Simon Hall campaign, once Hall confessed, it all fell into place as to why I had came up against so much abuse and harassment from the beginning.

Toxic people; and how they seethe and wage a devious smear campaign https://therealmrshspoofblog.wordpress.com/2016/03/26/toxic-people-and-how-they-seethe-and-wage-a-devious-smear-campaign/

Much of it stemmed back to Hall and those who had campaigned on his behalf before me; including his immediate family members. The Shirley McKie forum, the Wrongly Accused Person website, Facebook etc. I still have copies of some of the messages written by Hall's brother, for example, that most of the public were not aware of. He had apparently sent them from his place of work when Billy Middleton had first launched Hall's website/blog. The Facebook page, where I was attacked relentlessly by Trolls, again, many of whom I came to learn could again be linked back to those who had previously campaigned on Hall's behalf.

On top of this were all the others who were out to protect their own self interests.

The Zenith burglary had been known about by others, even though I Knew nothing about it until 5th November 2012. It was clearly important for all those who knew about the Zenith burglary to protect this secret, at all costs, from ever coming out.

Manipulation tactic https://therealmrshspoofblog.wordpress.com/2016/04/17/playing-the-blame-game-as-a-manipulation-tactic/

My point is, that in the Simon Hall case, it was tantamount to Simon Hall (and the Hall's) that my character was assinated early on, in order to protect their interests.

I get a strong sense all is not as it in seems in the Barry George case either.

Many people who knew Simon Hall directly didn't believe he was capable of murder. I most certainly didn't. I didn't, that is, until I came to learn of the Zenith burglary and slowly starting coming out of denial. From this point, Simon Hall, and others, tried their damnedest to break me down.

It's often said that Barry George wasn't capable of murdering Jill Dando. But how do any of us know that for a fact?

If it wasn't for the fact Simon Hall, prior to his confession, disclosed a large volume of information regarding his past, I may not have believed his crime of murder was sexually motivated, as opposed to the incorrect prosecution theory of it being a burglary gone wrong.

Barry George was capable of many things before Jill Dando was murdered, including pathologically lying, taking on the persona of others, stalking, harassment, the list goes on.

His sister states: "Her greatest ally was the fact that many people believed there was something not quite right about the case." "HER GREATEST ALLY". Hum.

There is something still not quite right with this case!

"Barry George is not the type of man any woman would feel comfortable with. A man who had been convicted of indecent assault and attempted rape. A serial stalker who habitually approached and harassed women.
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/columnists/gail-walker/odd-yes-but-barry-george-is-no-killer-28442182.html

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/148232/Police-harass-Jill-Dando-case-man
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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #85 on: April 22, 2018, 06:45:33 PM »
Michelle Bates writes and I quote,

"Justice is never served by the conviction of the innocent" by Michelle Bates on the 31st Anniversary of the tragedies (Jerrmy Bamber case)

"Becoming aware of a breaking-news story I began to listen in more closely. A siege was taking place at a farmhouse in England. The broadcaster relayed that five people were inside and there was great fear for their safety. As the story unfolded it became apparent that this was an older couple. A farmer and retired Magistrate, Nevill Bamber and his wife, June; their daughter, Sheila, and her six year old twin sons. Jeremy, their son, was outside with police who were trying to communicate with someone inside the house who had been seen pacing back and forth in front of an upstairs window and carrying a firearm. The reporter said that police were reluctant to get too close to the house for fear of causing that person to become more agitated, thereby, escalating the danger to the family. I watched for an hour or so but there was no resolution and, heavily pregnant, I became exhausted and had to go off to bed.
No one was seen pacing back and forth carrying a firearm - this is a lie
Awaking early I was anxious for news
, hopefully of a rescue, so I put the News on immediately. The siege was over, police had stormed the house and five bodies had been found inside. I was heartbroken, a whole family! My heart went out to the young man who had waited all night long with the police for news of his family; this was not what he wanted to hear.
There was no live TV coverage during the time Bamber was outside the farmhouse with the police - another lie 
My own child was born a few days later and I became engrossed in motherhood. It was a real shock to hear, sometime later, that the son, Jeremy Bamber, had been arrested for the killings…how was that possible when he was outside during the siege and everyone knew that? I presumed the police knew something we did not; there must have been strong evidence to convict a man of killing his entire family…I pushed my unease aside and got on with motherhood and my own life.

Since then I have revisited the facts of this case in light of so many high-profile miscarriage of justice cases coming to light, including that of my own brother, Barry George, for the murder of Jill Dando. More recently we’ve heard of the lies and cover-ups in the Hillsborough deaths and The Chilcot report exposing the same type of cover ups in the Iraqi war scandal. In the Bamber case I can find no evidence to convince me of the guilt of this man. Nothing that can account for a man languishing in jail for more than thirty years. How did a jury convict a young man without proof?

Our justice system is predicated on the ‘presumption of innocence’ and also on ‘beyond reasonable doubt,’ but there is so much doubt surrounding this conviction that this case must be looked into again, urgently. The CCRC and the Court of Appeal seem to be reluctant to do this, and the police, for their part, have been withholding evidence from the defendant. It will cost thousands of pounds to, again, take them to court to force them to hand over the papers and forensic results that the court has already told them they must do. They have also effectively ‘locked down’ documents in the case under a PII* order; what is there to hide? Meanwhile, a man is fighting a conviction for multiple murders that there is no proof he committed. Surely this is not the justice system his father, a Magistrate was proud to be a part of? https://jeremybamber.blogspot.co.uk/2016/08/justice-is-never-served-by-conviction.html

Barry George had his conviction quashed. He's not been paid awarded compensation because he's not innocent enough. A judge concluded a jury properly directed may have come to a different conclusion; words to that effect

Michelle Bates is claiming Jeremy Bamber is innocent, she says the same about her brother?

Mark Williams Thomas was involved in both the Bamber and George cases, one via a TV documentary the other a newspaper series.

Who should we believe? I do not believe Michelle Bates!

Furthermore, Michael Mansfield QC was misled in relation to the Simon Hall case. He could have been misled in relation to Barry George. Personality disordered individuals can be extremely convincing.

Mrs Bates further claims in the Bamber case:  "Dead people don’t walk (and two only became one at marriage!). Sheila alive, even when police stormed the building. Tragic murder/suicide. 😢 https://mobile.twitter.com/Michelle_Diskin/status/917077719749361664

Michael Burke, Barry George's uncle says in his book "Mikes story" about Michelle Bates.

"I turned on the TV to see GMTV at 6.00. Michelle and Don were being interviewed. Michelle was speaking and suddenly departed from the agreed script. She made serious allegations which for legal reasons I cannot repeat but I had to laugh at the male interviewer vainly tried to stop her on love TV. The allegation was not repeated or broadcast again but it was made nevertheless.

I'm unsure what the date of this interview was or what Michelle Bates said but according to the uncle, they were "serious allegations."

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ltgorwROQfwC&pg=PA108&lpg=PA108&dq=barry+george+mike+story&source=bl&ots=Osv77JEYgK&sig=wMLxHQUzDrrwdZhrvyhIfhiX8U8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiDnsyJtc7aAhXWFsAKHYwwAr8Q6AEwBHoECAUQAQ#v=onepage&q=barry%20george%20mike%20story&f=false
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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #86 on: April 22, 2018, 07:03:54 PM »
My brother, who was wrongly convicted of the murder of TV presenter, Jill Dando, has never been awarded any compensation for the years he spent incarcerated for this killing. His conviction was quashed in 2007, and he was then released in 2008, when the jury at his second trial unanimously found him not guilty. Since then, we have tried every avenue we could think of to get this government to correct the wrong, and to make recompense for all that he has lost.’
Michelle Bates

http://www.thejusticegap.com/2015/12/2015-a-year-in-the-justice-gap/

Maybe it's finally time for Michelle Bates to be transparent in order to convince those of us who believe him to not be innocent enough.

And maybe she would be open and honest enough to publicise the total sum of money her brother accrued since his conviction was over turned?

All I'm witnessing is greed; which has nothing to do with truth or justice.

Unless I'm mistaken, Barry George's uncle Michael Burke appears to refer to Michelle Bates as "Michelle Moneypenny."

So I'm not alone in my observations https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ltgorwROQfwC&pg=PA108&lpg=PA108&dq=barry+george+mike+story&source=bl&ots=Osv77JEYgK&sig=wMLxHQUzDrrwdZhrvyhIfhiX8U8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiDnsyJtc7aAhXWFsAKHYwwAr8Q6AEwBHoECAUQAQ#v=onepage&q=barry%20george%20mike%20story&f=false
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« Reply #87 on: April 22, 2018, 07:09:55 PM »
"Michelle Diskin was in the front room at her home in Cork listening to the morning radio when she first heard that her brother Barry George had been charged with Jill Dando's murder.
She says she felt numb - completely numb. 'I thought: "No, no, it can't be." 'I wanted to phone my mother, but she is a very quiet and private person. How do you ring your mother and say: "Mum, has my brother been arrested for murder?" she says.

Michelle, a deeply religious woman, finally decided to phone and ask if she should pray for her brother. It seemed a more gentle way of dealing with the appalling news. 'Mother said: "It's all rubbish. He didn't do it. It will die down". I didn't know what to do and said to myself: "Could Barry have done this?"

'Could I see anything in the Barry I knew that might be guilty of this - and I couldn't. I thought about his behaviour. He can be aggravating. But no, not murder.'

But on July 2, last year, Barry George, 42, an educationally-subnormal fantasist with an IQ of just 76, was found guilty of the murder of BBC TV presenter Jill Dando.

She was killed with a single shot to the head. The gun was pressed so hard against her skull that the imprint of the muzzle remained on her scalp afterwards.

There was, however, not one overwhelming piece of evidence to link George to the crime. In the year since the case ended, no other criminal verdict has excited quite so much interest and there has been an endless debate over whether he was indeed guilty 'beyond reasonable doubt'.

Last month, an appeal against his conviction was rejected by three of the country's most senior judges.

Michelle continues to insist upon her brother's innocence. She is determined to take the case to the House of Lords and, should that fail, to Europe, believing his conviction to be a dreadful miscarriage of justice.

In fairness, she doesn't believe her brother to be an angel, but she insists that does not make him a murderer.


Michelle is a warm, articulate woman with a strong sense of right and wrong. Being in the public eye does not sit easily with her. She is, by nature, a home-builder, a wife and mother to three teenage children.

Their terraced family house near Cork is tidy, comfortable and perfumed with scented candles. It is a tactile household where hugs and kisses are easily exchanged.

Her own London childhood had been tough, often violent. In her late teens, she moved to Ireland to work with mentally disabled children. She had little need to dwell upon her past - until her brother's arrest
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Initially, Michelle believed the courts would clear her brother and she resolved not to speak out on his behalf. Indeed, she didn't want to drag her family into the unholy mess, and, in any case, no direct evidence linked her brother to the crime.

No confession. No apparent motive. No eyewitnesses. No murder weapon was ever found.

There was virtually no scientific evidence, except for minute traces of firearm discharge found in one of George's pockets and described as a 'close match' to particles found in Dando's hair. There was also a risk, acknowledged at the trial, that even this evidence was contaminated.

The prosecution case seemed to be simply that George lived locally and was an oddball with unhealthy obsessions. He was said to be 'fixated' with Princess Diana and to stalk women.

He had been convicted, many years earlier, of attempted rape and impersonating a police officer. He used different names (he was arrested as Barry Bulsara, using the real surname of one of his idols, Freddie Mercury) and lived in a world of fantasy. He was said to be 'obsessed' with guns.

George also happened to be near Dando's Fulham home on the morning of her murder. His own home, a chaotically untidy flat, happened to be just a few streets away. Michelle says: 'Barry was in Belmarsh Prison on remand when I first saw him. I had to see him through a glass screen. It was like being in a confessional box. There was a dark, dingy glass between us and you could hardly hear a thing.

'He looked terribly vulnerable and scared. Almost the first thing he said was: "Shhh, don't talk."

'Then he said: "I have not done what they are saying."

'I was asking questions and he kept telling me to talk to my solicitor. I cried. I think he did too. He said he was sorry that he had put us in this. I couldn't touch him but I wanted him to know he was being supported.

We held up our hands against the glass. I felt utterly overwhelmed that this could be happening to us. At each step along the way I thought it would be stopped. It's unbelievable it wasn't.

'There was no evidence. They just lumped everything up and made out he was one big psycho. Timeframes were forgotten, facts were distorted to make a picture - a very bad picture.

'The police needed somebody, and Barry looked, on the surface, as if he would disappear and nobody would fight for him.

'That's why I have to support him. I have always loved him very much.'

Michelle was the eldest of three children, raised in a cramped highrise flat in White City, West London. The bath was in the kitchen and she shared a bedroom with both her sister, a mentally handicapped epileptic two years her junior, and Barry, the baby of the family.

It was an uneasy household with frequent violent rows. 'Barry and Susan were always very special because I had to look after them when I was small.

'There were a lot of pressures living in such close quarters with people on both sides of you and underneath you. My parents fought all the time so I would take the kids out - sometimes for hours on end.

'It was very difficult. Because Susan had very definite problems that were so big, Barry's were pushed to one side.

'He was a gorgeous baby and, as a boy, was into cars and buildings. He sometimes got into trouble, but he could never seem to understand why.

'He couldn't concentrate for long periods of time and was taken out of school and sent to special school. But his disability didn't become really apparent until he got older.

'Barry has a rigidity of thought. He gets a thought and isn't able to change tack. If you changed the topic of conversation, he wouldn't be able to stop focusing on the first one.'

Michelle was 12 when their parents separated. She says it was a relief, an end to the dreadful rows. Her relationship with her mother was not easy and by the age of 15 she was living with her father.

'My mother was warmer earlier in the marriage,' she says. 'And less warm towards the end of it.'

When Barry asked to move in with his father, he was refused. 'I'm sure Barry saw it as a rejection. Probably the first of many,' she says.

By the age of 18, Michelle was living in Ireland with her grandmother. She kept in contact with her family and her brother visited for a holiday. 'He was 14 and so sweet I didn't want to send him back. I remember he used to hang about this place called Barry's Tea and wanted to work there in the yard but he was too young.

'But he would pester people, so this man sent him home with a letter saying he would take him out as his helper if I said it was OK. He said that he could see Barry needed special attention.

'The man gave Barry some pocket money and he came back with sausages, milk and bread so he could help with his keep.'

Michelle displays a certain pride when she repeats this story. It becomes clear that achievements which most people would take for granted were enormously special when accomplished by Barry.

For example, she tells how he arrived at her wedding 'all by himself' and had 'even hired his own suit so he wouldn't show me up'. She saw him handing out buttonholes to guests and was 'proud'.

By this time, he had started to create fantasies about himself and, intriguingly, she recalls a relative having to steer him away from talking about the SAS.

During their phone calls, Barry would talk of his obsession about being a stuntman. He tried to join the Territorial Army under the name Steve Major.

'It seemed perfectly innocent. He said he'd chosen it because the Six Million Dollar Man had such a name. When he later changed his name to Barry Bulsara, it wasn't something I was happy with. But he said he really loved Freddie Mercury and he was doing it as a tribute.

'He wanted to be a special person. He wanted to have friends. I can only speculate that these inventions were ways of opening a conversation. Let's face it, it's a bit more of a conversation grabber than "I'm classified disabled and I can't do anything".'

The prosecuting lawyers made much of George's fantasies. 'They tried to turn him into the Anti-Christ,' says Michelle. 'They spoke about his so-called obsession with guns after joining the Territorial Army. But the TA realised he had problems and Barry didn't handle guns. The only ones he's had are a starter pistol and a plastic gun that was stolen and broken.

'They said he had an obsession with Diana and stalked and photographed women. It was mentioned that he was discovered by police in Kensington Gardens with a rope and a knife dressed in Army gear. He told me that he was "doing manoeuvres".

'But he was never charged and there are no records of him being in the grounds by Diana's apartment as has been suggested.

'Even being "on manoeuvres" in the park, is not the normal behaviour of a grown person, but still pretty ordinary if you think like a child. He was going through his ex-SAS stage then - and it was almost 20 years ago.

'When police examined his flat they found a pile of 736 newspapers on the floor. Of course, there were some articles about Jill Dando, but there were more about Manchester United, although he's a Fulham supporter.

'There were also never any photos of women pinned up on the wall as has been suggested. The police found rolls of undeveloped film - 2,597 photographs showing 419 women.

'He wasn't using the photographs to satisfy some strange obsession. He was playing a role - that's all to do with the childish part of his life. And he'd just thrown the rolls of film in the corner - as he dropped everything in his flat and forgot about things.

'When Barry was in custody, the police had nothing to charge him with. They knew he'd been convicted of attempted rape in 1983, which he'd owned up to at the time, but he wouldn't admit to Jill Dando's murder.

'They were allowed to keep him for extra time, but still he wouldn't say he was responsible.

'If you know my brother, he's not capable of not caving in under that sort of pressure. But he does know when he's done something wrong and when he hasn't. The next thing that happened was that a particle (of firearm discharge) turned up in a coat - it was the only reason they were able to charge him.

'But the integrity of the coat had been corrupted. It was put in an evidence bag, sealed, carted away from his flat, photographed on a dummy in a police studio with an officer's shirt underneath and put back in the crate before it was examined by forensics.

'And as far as identification is concerned, there was only one person who said she was certain she saw Barry at 7.30am. She said she saw him by a car, but Barry can't drive.

'Barry has been described as a loner. But he's not. He was always out seeing people. He had friends, people who loved him - who accepted Barry with his differences. They didn't know about the attempted rape, but that happened almost 20 years before.

He paid his price to society for what he did and he'd turned his life around. And, despite his disabilities, he had made a life for himself. He discussed his friends and would say: "There's a guy down the road and he's my friend. I wash his car for him." After he was charged, I started piecing things together.

'There was a big, motherly Jamaican woman who lived across the road. When I went to see her, I could see she really loved Barry.

'She was really pleased to see me and said she hadn't known if anyone was going to help him. She was going to get some friends together to stand outside Hammersmith police station with placards saying: "Free Barry Bulsara."

'She's adamant he didn't carry out the crime.'

Michelle gathers strength from such support. She knows her brother, not as a psychopath, but as 'quiet, softly-spoken and wellmannered'.

During medical examinations before his trial, it was discovered that George had suffered severe brain damage from a physical injury while in his 20s. Michelle says he does not know how it occurred, although she conjectures that perhaps it was something to do with his 'Steve Majors' phase.

In the early Eighties, he was registered disabled and suffered increasingly from epileptic fits. If the problem was not properly controlled he would often stumble around.

Michelle is not convinced that he would have had the ability to plan or dexterity to carry out such carefully executed crime and getaway. Indeed, the case confounded police for a year before Barry's arrest.

'I knew right from the beginning, from his whole demeanour that he's innocent. I could tell when I saw him in Belmarsh - through his body language, his eye contact - before and after his conviction.

'He said to me: "They had to have someone. I didn't do this and I don't know why I'm here. But you do realise I am here for the rest of my life?"

'I said he wouldn't be - that the sentence would be reduced and he replied: "Oh no, not for me. I can't ever say I'm sorry for doing it - because I didn't do it."

'At night, things play over and over in my mind. When you realise this is a miscarriage of justice, it becomes enormous. They have grabbed Barry's life and taken it away from him. They have also taken my life.

'It wasn't an easy thing to decide to become vocal. But I have to stand up for Barry's rights. I'm determined to at least do that.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-135212/My-brother-didnt-kill-Jill.html#ixzz5DQUKMFv4
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« Reply #88 on: April 22, 2018, 07:53:16 PM »
"Lawyers acting for Barry George will begin a fresh attempt this week to overturn his conviction for the murder of television presenter Jill Dando, who was gunned down on the doorstep of her Fulham home in April 1999.
George's sister, Michelle Diskin, and Hazel Keirle, legal officer for the Miscarriage of Justice Organisation, will present their case for a second appeal to the Criminal Cases Review Commission on Tuesday.
They will press for urgency because of fears that George's deteriorating mental state could affect his ability to remember key details.
Mrs Keirle said there was also a need to investigate allegations about the conduct of the jury. One female juror contacted George's defence team on several occasions after his conviction in July last year complaining that some, but not all, jury members had continued to debate the case in a hotel, despite the judge's ban.
The dossier includes the testimony of Fulham Baptist minister Rev John Hale, who, as The Mail on Sunday revealed last month, reported that he saw armed police officers searching George's flat in April 2000, four weeks before he was arrested, raising the disturbing possibility that the crucial evidence of a speck of gunshot discovered in George's coat pocket may have come from a police gun, not the missing murder weapon.
George was found guilty of murder but many have cast doubt on the conviction due to the largely circumstantial nature of the evidence. His first attempt to have the verdict overturned failed earlier this year.

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« Reply #89 on: April 22, 2018, 08:12:36 PM »
March 2002
THE award-winning newspaper editor who helped to secure the release of a man wrongly convicted of murder claimed yesterday that Barry George did not kill Jill Dando. Don Hale, the former editor of the Matlock Mercury, said underworld contacts have told him the TV presenter was killed by a hired overseas hitman. He believes Miss Dando was killed by someone unhappy with the BBC’s coverage of the Balkans conflict. Mr Hale won universal acclaim for his seven-year campaign for the release of Stephen Downing, who spent 27 years in prison for the murder of Wendy Sewell. After writing a book about the Downing campaign, he has received hundreds of letters from convicts protesting their innocence

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