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Re: Why has Bamber campaigned to say he isn't a psychopath?
« Reply #30 on: April 06, 2018, 07:06:32 PM »
This is well worth listening to IMO http://player.themoth.org/#/?actionType=ADD_AND_PLAY&storyId=1151

I think this guy is pretty cool too..

Here's his TED talk he refers to - for anyone interested - https://www.ted.com/talks/jim_fallon_exploring_the_mind_of_a_killer#t-56966

"Psychopathic killers are the basis for some must-watch TV, but what really makes them tick? Neuroscientist Jim Fallon talks about brain scans and genetic analysis that may uncover the rotten wiring in the nature (and nurture) of murderers. In a too-strange-for-fiction twist, he shares a fascinating family history that makes his work chillingly personal.
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Re: Why has Bamber campaigned to say he isn't a psychopath?
« Reply #31 on: April 06, 2018, 09:43:51 PM »
This is well worth listening to IMO http://player.themoth.org/#/?actionType=ADD_AND_PLAY&storyId=1151

I think this guy is pretty cool too..

He is BUT, remember he's a psychopath :) - I recommend his book!

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Psychopath-Inside-Neuroscientists-Personal-Journey/dp/1617230154/ref=sr_1_1?s=diy&ie=UTF8&qid=1523047341&sr=8-1&keywords=james+fallon

I suggested the bain scan on the blue forum some years back - it didn't go down well  *&^^&

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Re: Why has Bamber campaigned to say he isn't a psychopath?
« Reply #32 on: April 06, 2018, 10:11:41 PM »
He is BUT, remember he's a psychopath :) - I recommend his book!

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Psychopath-Inside-Neuroscientists-Personal-Journey/dp/1617230154/ref=sr_1_1?s=diy&ie=UTF8&qid=1523047341&sr=8-1&keywords=james+fallon

I suggested the bain scan on the blue forum some years back - it didn't go down well  *&^^&

Pro social psychopath  8(0(*  8((()*/

Review re the book:
"A real page-turner. It's short (using clever typography to make it appear longer than it really is) and most people will probably devour it in an afternoon or a couple of winter evenings. In a single line - one single line - Fallon (accidentally) describes what's wrong with "streamed" education and particularly the grammar system still going in parts of England.

He further states - using firm, scientific data - why sending young men (and women) of to war before their early 20s is a not just wrong, it's dangerous to the development of their brain and will leave them with effects than can never be reversed.

I guess time will tell regarding Bamber's brain scan
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Re: Why has Bamber campaigned to say he isn't a psychopath?
« Reply #34 on: April 08, 2018, 09:25:47 PM »
In his 6th March 2018 prison reform speech , the Justice Secretary The Rt Hon David Gauke MP stated the following:

Purpose of prison
Depriving someone of their liberty for a period of time is one of the most significant powers available to the State and must be imposed with respect for the rule of law and with purpose.

Prison is the sharp end of our justice system. By imposing this serious sanction, we must be clear about what prison is for.

I believe its purpose is threefold:

First, protection of the public prison protects the public from the most dangerous and violent individuals

Second, punishment prison deprives offenders of their liberty and certain freedoms enjoyed by the rest of society and acts as a deterrent. It is not the only sanction available, but it is an important one.

And third, rehabilitation prison provides offenders with the opportunity to reflect on, and take responsibility for, their crimes and prepare them for a law-abiding life when they are released

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/prisons-reform-speech


Although long, I do think this is worth a read
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Re: Why has Bamber campaigned to say he isn't a psychopath?
« Reply #35 on: April 09, 2018, 10:03:21 PM »
He is BUT, remember he's a psychopath :) - I recommend his book!

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Psychopath-Inside-Neuroscientists-Personal-Journey/dp/1617230154/ref=sr_1_1?s=diy&ie=UTF8&qid=1523047341&sr=8-1&keywords=james+fallon

I suggested the bain scan on the blue forum some years back - it didn't go down well  *&^^&

Even if JB submitted to a brain scan which showed patterns consistent with psychopathy this wouldn't necessarily mean JB was responsible as evidenced by James Fallon's brain scan?
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Re: Why has Bamber campaigned to say he isn't a psychopath?
« Reply #36 on: April 09, 2018, 10:13:43 PM »
Even if JB submitted to a brain scan which showed patterns consistent with psychopathy this wouldn't necessarily mean JB was responsible as evidenced by James Fallon's brain scan?

How do you work that out?
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Re: Why has Bamber campaigned to say he isn't a psychopath?
« Reply #37 on: April 09, 2018, 10:34:55 PM »
How do you work that out?

The guy you mentioned here:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9346.msg455692#msg455692

his brain scan is consistent with others who exhibit psychopathic traits and yet it appears Dr Fallon is a non-violent psychopath?

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/01/life-as-a-nonviolent-psychopath/282271/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_H._Fallon

"Fallon prominently featured in the BBC production Are You Good or Evil?,[1] where he revealed that he'd discovered that he, himself, has the neurological and genetic correlates of psychopathy. Fallon stated that he is not concerned and believes that his positive experiences in childhood negated any potential genetic vulnerabilities to violence and emotional issues".
Justice for Sheila and Jeremy. Victims of poorly arranged baby scoop era adoptions. Australia has apologised. Time for the UK to do the same?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hVbokTpYeg http://www.parliament.uk/edm/2012-13/92

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Re: Why has Bamber campaigned to say he isn't a psychopath?
« Reply #38 on: April 09, 2018, 11:13:58 PM »
The guy you mentioned here:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9346.msg455692#msg455692

his brain scan is consistent with others who exhibit psychopathic traits and yet it appears Dr Fallon is a non-violent psychopath?

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/01/life-as-a-nonviolent-psychopath/282271/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_H._Fallon

"Fallon prominently featured in the BBC production Are You Good or Evil?,[1] where he revealed that he'd discovered that he, himself, has the neurological and genetic correlates of psychopathy. Fallon stated that he is not concerned and believes that his positive experiences in childhood negated any potential genetic vulnerabilities to violence and emotional issues".

See thread title
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Re: Why has Bamber campaigned to say he isn't a psychopath?
« Reply #39 on: April 10, 2018, 11:51:04 AM »
See thread title

Has he campaigned as such?  Thought it was just some commentary from an assessment posted up on the so-called 'official website'?
Justice for Sheila and Jeremy. Victims of poorly arranged baby scoop era adoptions. Australia has apologised. Time for the UK to do the same?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hVbokTpYeg http://www.parliament.uk/edm/2012-13/92

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Re: Why has Bamber campaigned to say he isn't a psychopath?
« Reply #40 on: April 10, 2018, 12:08:09 PM »
Has he campaigned as such?  Thought it was just some commentary from an assessment posted up on the so-called 'official website'?

That's your interpretation of my first post Holly. I didn't ask you to name this thread title as you have done. You named it based on your perception of my argument/post.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9346.msg455521#msg455521
"Bamber claims he is innocent and is not a psychopath - he's made these claims for decades. I say - prove it - let's see your brain scans. Maybe the Crown will seek to address this in the near future

Bamber has denied claims he is a psychopath for around 3 decades. He hasn't just told those who campaign on his behalf he's not a psychopath he's also told various other sources he's not a psychopath.

Why has he been so desperate to show he is not psychopathic?
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Re: Why has Bamber campaigned to say he isn't a psychopath?
« Reply #41 on: April 10, 2018, 12:31:53 PM »
That's your interpretation of my first post Holly. I didn't ask you to name this thread title as you have done. You named it based on your perception of my argument/post.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9346.msg455521#msg455521
"Bamber claims he is innocent and is not a psychopath - he's made these claims for decades. I say - prove it - let's see your brain scans. Maybe the Crown will seek to address this in the near future

Bamber has denied claims he is a psychopath for around 3 decades. He hasn't just told those who campaign on his behalf he's not a psychopath he's also told various other sources he's not a psychopath.

Why has he been so desperate to show he is not psychopathic?

Stephanie I think you're being somewhat unfair.  Your post #1:

Why has Bamber campaigned to say he isn't a psychopath?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9346.msg455521#msg455521

I asked you in post #9 "Is this OK Stephanie"?  In post #15 you replied "Thanks Holly". 

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9346.msg455538#msg455538

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9346.msg455574#msg455574

Justice for Sheila and Jeremy. Victims of poorly arranged baby scoop era adoptions. Australia has apologised. Time for the UK to do the same?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hVbokTpYeg http://www.parliament.uk/edm/2012-13/92

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Re: Why has Bamber campaigned to say he isn't a psychopath?
« Reply #43 on: April 10, 2018, 01:36:49 PM »
Stephanie I think you're being somewhat unfair.  Your post #1:

Why has Bamber campaigned to say he isn't a psychopath?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9346.msg455521#msg455521

I asked you in post #9 "Is this OK Stephanie"?  In post #15 you replied "Thanks Holly". 

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9346.msg455538#msg455538

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9346.msg455574#msg455574

I thanked you for splitting the thread. You usually remove my posts if they aren't relevant to debate, as you see it.

You appear slighted? That's not my intention.

You seemed to have missed the point, that's all.
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Re: Why has Bamber campaigned to say he isn't a psychopath?
« Reply #44 on: April 10, 2018, 04:50:53 PM »
I thanked you for splitting the thread. You usually remove my posts if they aren't relevant to debate, as you see it.

You appear slighted? That's not my intention.

You seemed to have missed the point, that's all.

Fair enough.  Shall we accept there was some misunderstanding between us and move on?

So it seems from Dr Fallon and Prof Baron-Cohen that psychopathy ie erosion or lack of empathy (inability to feel the pain of another) is caused by certain genes but those that go on to commit anti-social acts have usually suffered abuse/neglect too so in effect it is gene environment interaction?

Justice for Sheila and Jeremy. Victims of poorly arranged baby scoop era adoptions. Australia has apologised. Time for the UK to do the same?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hVbokTpYeg http://www.parliament.uk/edm/2012-13/92