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Offline G-Unit

Re: Should Operation Grange be wound up as SY face defeat?
« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2018, 09:40:43 AM »
I was just working through the implications of  locking down the home of a missing child the moment the child is reported missing.  Imagine if the first step of the GNR was to find alternative accommodation for the McCanns?

I don't think any police force would have moved the family out of their apartment immediately, so there's no reason why the GNR would do it.
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Re: Should Operation Grange be wound up as SY face defeat?
« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2018, 10:42:48 AM »
I don't think any police force would have moved the family out of their apartment immediately, so there's no reason why the GNR would do it.
I was thinking of what could be done in the future.  Learning from the mistakes.  If the mistake was not to secure the house early enough work out a policy to secure the family home ASAP.
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Offline Montclair

Re: Should Operation Grange be wound up as SY face defeat?
« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2018, 11:23:27 AM »
It's up to SY and OG to decide when they wind up the investigation and not public opinion. Otherwise that is not justice.  And they will make public their findings when the appropriate time comes, they are not obliged to give a running summary for the public's satisfaction. BTW how do you know that they are facing defeat?

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Should Operation Grange be wound up as SY face defeat?
« Reply #18 on: April 06, 2018, 11:36:06 AM »
I was thinking of what could be done in the future.  Learning from the mistakes.  If the mistake was not to secure the house early enough work out a policy to secure the family home ASAP.
How early is early?

I am currently working with a timeframe of Kate raised the alarm around 10.05 pm and the GNR first reached APARTMENT 5A at around 11.20 pm.

At that point they carried out the due diligences.  Namely talking to the parents and searching the apartment.

We are missing a big chunk of information.  While we know that two calls were made to the GNR, the first at 10.41 pm, we do not know the content of those calls.   I don't know whether they were about a missing child, or an abducted child.

Matthew Oldlfield in his rog seemed to think that around 10.15 pm it was simply a missing child, and failed to press for a call to the police.

I have no information about what Gerry told the GNR when they met at OC reception.

So what 'intelligence' did the GNR have when they arrived at 5A?
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Offline Lace

Re: Should Operation Grange be wound up as SY face defeat?
« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2018, 11:59:07 AM »
I don't think OG should be wound down as they face defeat.   Who says they will face defeat?   We don't know what they have discovered.    The money would surely have been a waste if they are not able to investigate the final lead,  let them do their work and then we can see if they are defeated or not.

Offline jassi

Re: Should Operation Grange be wound up as SY face defeat?
« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2018, 12:22:28 PM »
They've been on this 'last lead' for quite some time. Will you still be saying the same thing in 2 or 3 years time if they've still got one last lead?
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Offline barrier

Re: Should Operation Grange be wound up as SY face defeat?
« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2018, 12:39:07 PM »
They've been on this 'last lead' for quite some time. Will you still be saying the same thing in 2 or 3 years time if they've still got one last lead?

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Offline G-Unit

Re: Should Operation Grange be wound up as SY face defeat?
« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2018, 12:45:05 PM »
I was thinking of what could be done in the future.  Learning from the mistakes.  If the mistake was not to secure the house early enough work out a policy to secure the family home ASAP.

Just because you think it might have been a mistake doesn't mean it is. Some mistakes have already been acknowledged; assuming that UK FLO's may be of use, for example.
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Offline kizzy

Re: Should Operation Grange be wound up as SY face defeat?
« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2018, 01:09:10 PM »
I don't think OG should be wound down as they face defeat.   Who says they will face defeat?   We don't know what they have discovered.    The money would surely have been a waste if they are not able to investigate the final lead,  let them do their work and then we can see if they are defeated or not.


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Offline Angelo222

Re: Should Operation Grange be wound up as SY face defeat?
« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2018, 04:08:27 PM »
I'm still not sure how you guys are all in the know about what Operation Grange have and haven't uncovered.  Do you get regular private briefings with them or what?

Remind me.  When was the last time they travelled to Luz to interview anyone?

It's all very well sitting on their backsides in London claiming to be following one more lead when in reality they still haven't really got a clue what actually befell her.  If they did know for sure what happened to Maddie we would have heard it from the horses mouth long ago.

All in my honest opinion.

« Last Edit: April 06, 2018, 04:22:10 PM by Angelo222 »
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Offline Angelo222

Re: Should Operation Grange be wound up as SY face defeat?
« Reply #25 on: April 06, 2018, 04:25:01 PM »
I was just working through the implications of  locking down the home of a missing child the moment the child is reported missing.  Imagine if the first step of the GNR was to find alternative accommodation for the McCanns?

It didn't help that there was initial confusion as to what had occurred.  Had Maddie strayed or had someone lifted her?  And if someone lifted her was it from the apartment or from the road outside?? 

Nearly eleven years on those same questions have still not been answered.
« Last Edit: April 06, 2018, 04:30:10 PM by Angelo222 »
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Offline Erngath

Re: Should Operation Grange be wound up as SY face defeat?
« Reply #26 on: April 06, 2018, 04:48:29 PM »
Remind me.  When was the last time they travelled to Luz to interview anyone?

It's all very well sitting on their backsides in London claiming to be following one more lead when in reality they still haven't really got a clue what actually befell her.  If they did know for sure what happened to Maddie we would have heard it from the horses mouth long ago.

All in my honest opinion.




When extra money has been asked for, do you assume as I do, that facts, evidence have to be presented to justify the extra money?
Or do you believe that extra money is given without any need for evidence of continuing solid leads to be pursued.
« Last Edit: April 06, 2018, 04:59:28 PM by Erngath »
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Offline jassi

Re: Should Operation Grange be wound up as SY face defeat?
« Reply #27 on: April 06, 2018, 05:01:10 PM »
Who can tell?
The HO are as equally unforthcoming as OG
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I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

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Offline Erngath

Re: Should Operation Grange be wound up as SY face defeat?
« Reply #28 on: April 06, 2018, 05:35:40 PM »
Who can tell?
The HO are as equally unforthcoming as OG


Surely you must assume that facts, evidence must be presented when extra funding is asked for?
If not, then you must assume you that" good money" is thrown at the investigation without any proof that it  is required.
Amaral, making money from a disappeared child, and clearly without a clue.

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Re: Should Operation Grange be wound up as SY face defeat?
« Reply #29 on: April 06, 2018, 05:41:33 PM »
How early is early?

I am currently working with a timeframe of Kate raised the alarm around 10.05 pm and the GNR first reached APARTMENT 5A at around 11.20 pm.

At that point they carried out the due diligences.  Namely talking to the parents and searching the apartment.

We are missing a big chunk of information.  While we know that two calls were made to the GNR, the first at 10.41 pm, we do not know the content of those calls.   I don't know whether they were about a missing child, or an abducted child.

Matthew Oldlfield in his rog seemed to think that around 10.15 pm it was simply a missing child, and failed to press for a call to the police.

I have no information about what Gerry told the GNR when they met at OC reception.

So what 'intelligence' did the GNR have when they arrived at 5A?
Good points but should be a separate topic really.
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