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Offline Davel

Re: Should Operation Grange be wound up as SY face defeat?
« Reply #75 on: April 17, 2018, 10:19:29 AM »
3 alleged 'burglars'.

Heri's list is correct.

That's why I said I wasn't sure.... But really without any confirmation this is just gossip
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Should Operation Grange be wound up as SY face defeat?
« Reply #76 on: April 17, 2018, 10:26:57 AM »
3 alleged 'burglars'.

Heri's list is correct.

So unless A C Rowley was misleading us......who's left?

Q: How old were the suspects becasuse I think you interviewed them originally through the Portuguese
beginning of July 2014?
MR: By the end of the year we were happy to have brought them out and we were moving on to other
parts of the investigation
http://findmadeleine.com/pdf/ac-rowley-transcript.pdf
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Offline Brietta

Re: Should Operation Grange be wound up as SY face defeat?
« Reply #77 on: April 17, 2018, 10:37:20 AM »
So unless A C Rowley was misleading us......who's left?

Q: How old were the suspects becasuse I think you interviewed them originally through the Portuguese
beginning of July 2014?
MR: By the end of the year we were happy to have brought them out and we were moving on to other
parts of the investigation
http://findmadeleine.com/pdf/ac-rowley-transcript.pdf

In my opinion the important information given was that interviewing the arguidos enabled the investigation to progress further with their enquiries ... meaning that the arguidos weren't the be all and end all of evidence which allowed Madeleine's case to continue.
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Should Operation Grange be wound up as SY face defeat?
« Reply #78 on: April 17, 2018, 10:53:09 AM »
So unless A C Rowley was misleading us......who's left?

Q: How old were the suspects becasuse I think you interviewed them originally through the Portuguese
beginning of July 2014?
MR: By the end of the year we were happy to have brought them out and we were moving on to other
parts of the investigation
http://findmadeleine.com/pdf/ac-rowley-transcript.pdf

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Offline G-Unit

Re: Should Operation Grange be wound up as SY face defeat?
« Reply #79 on: April 17, 2018, 11:09:41 AM »
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Seven arguidos in total. Four connected to the OG investigation, but imo dismissed by the end of 2014 according to Rowley. Three original ones left.
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Should Operation Grange be wound up as SY face defeat?
« Reply #80 on: April 17, 2018, 11:44:11 AM »
Seven arguidos in total. Four connected to the OG investigation, but imo dismissed by the end of 2014 according to Rowley. Three original ones left.

Only 3 of the list were the burglars?
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Offline Davel

Re: Should Operation Grange be wound up as SY face defeat?
« Reply #81 on: April 17, 2018, 12:12:53 PM »
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Are you giving this information  any credibility... If so... Why
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Offline Carana

Re: Should Operation Grange be wound up as SY face defeat?
« Reply #82 on: April 17, 2018, 12:44:07 PM »
Seven arguidos in total. Four connected to the OG investigation, but imo dismissed by the end of 2014 according to Rowley. Three original ones left.

I'm not aware that there are any arguidos at the moment.

When I checked at the time, I couldn't find any statutes about witnesses gaining arguido status due to an overseas investigation wishing to interview them.

My assumption is that that was a tempory status corresponding the best to the UK equivalent of being interviewed under caution and that the status was then lifted. Or that the witnesses themselves had requested the status in order to have a lawyer present.

I haven't looked at version No 200k of the latest PCC recently, though.

Offline sadie

Re: Should Operation Grange be wound up as SY face defeat?
« Reply #83 on: April 17, 2018, 01:00:53 PM »
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According to one of my Portuguese sources, the last line of Grange investigation include two of the former seven arguidos. Anyone of you has more info about this "last line"?

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Welcome back, Heri

Well that has thrown a bomb in the middle of things, if the info was correct  @)(++(*

Good to see that you are still investigating.
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Offline Heriberto Janosch

Re: Should Operation Grange be wound up as SY face defeat?
« Reply #84 on: April 17, 2018, 01:10:06 PM »
Seven arguidos in total. Four connected to the OG investigation, but imo dismissed by the end of 2014 according to Rowley. Three original ones left.
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But the three "original" were also dismissed by Grange. Strange.

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Offline jassi

Re: Should Operation Grange be wound up as SY face defeat?
« Reply #85 on: April 17, 2018, 01:13:43 PM »
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But the three "original" were also dismissed by Grange. Strange.

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If it's true that they are looking at two again, then clearly they are having second thoughts
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Offline sadie

Re: Should Operation Grange be wound up as SY face defeat?
« Reply #86 on: April 17, 2018, 01:27:01 PM »
If it's true that they are looking at two again, then clearly they are having second thoughts

Yep, and I am guesssing which two .. using pointers, and they aint the two that you are thinking of ... IMO, of course  8(0(*
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Should Operation Grange be wound up as SY face defeat?
« Reply #87 on: April 17, 2018, 01:31:56 PM »
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But the three "original" were also dismissed by Grange. Strange.

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Not strange as no police force will spend 12 million and tell you what's really going on lol. IMO they don't spend that much unless they know who they are chasing.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Should Operation Grange be wound up as SY face defeat?
« Reply #88 on: April 17, 2018, 01:44:19 PM »
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But the three "original" were also dismissed by Grange. Strange.
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Were they?
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Offline Faithlilly

Re: Should Operation Grange be wound up as SY face defeat?
« Reply #89 on: April 17, 2018, 03:01:53 PM »
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But the three "original" were also dismissed by Grange. Strange.

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And the woman in purple? Where does she fit in ?
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Detractors of the work of our British Police in bringing criminals to justice generally ignore the important distinction between moral proof and legal evidence of guilt. In not a few cases that are popularly classed with 'unsolved mysteries of crime,' the offender is known, but evidence is wanting. If, for example, in- a recent murder case of special notoriety and interest,* certain human remains had not been found in a cellar, a great crime would have been catalogued among `Police failures'; and yet, even without the evidence which sent the murderer to the gallows, the moral proof of his guilt would have been full and clear.
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