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Offline pathfinder73

Absolutely: strange that it was not easier to locate a man with the distinctive hairstyle "he noted that a person of around 1.70m, with long blond hair, apparently of the "Rasta," style and dressed in green military-style clothes, entered the restaurant." http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS.htm
The location was certainly relevant.
The timing was relevant.
Wonder if it too was a disguise pre-dating Oakley?


He was found and booked into the tapas that night at 9pm - Sperry. Hardly suspicious  @)(++(*

Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

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"between 8.30 and 9pm, while he was in the "TAPAS" restaurant" - could just mean he was on the inside WRT the secondary reception entrance.  I see it as Jez saw Sperry  prior to seeing Gerry.  The timing seems to be OK until Wilkin's rogatory where he fails to identify the time he meets Gerry.
I also find it odd that the PJ don't go and interview Michael Sperry.

And why was Bridget O'Donnell never interviewed separately to see if her recollection of what Jeremy did was the same as his.
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Did you see Russell Leave the table? At what time? How long was he away? What did he say when he returned?

How well did the other Tapas 7 answer these questions?

Matt Oldfield http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm:

He know Jane did the first check: "I think the kids hadn't settle particularly well and that's why they, erm, Russell and Jane had come separately in the evening, and so she went back, erm, to check on, presumably to check on, to check on her kids and then came back and we, erm, had starters by then'."
Why does he introduce doubt there with the word "presumably"?

Matt makes it pretty clear Russell goes with him.  ", so it may well have been sort of closer to sort of twenty past, twenty-five past nine, sometime round there before we did the next check'.
 
00.23.05 4078 'Okay'.
Reply 'Erm, so I went to check on Grace and I stood up and Russell stood up and said he was going to go and check as well and Kate stood up and I said, you know, do you want us to go and check on, erm, do you want me to go and check on your kids, erm, and she said yes. And I think I offered at that point just because we had been together all week and we had similar routines and it just kind of seemed like a nice thing to do that would save her a journey back up and, you know, it may or it may not have been different. But, erm, I said that and she said yeah fine and she said that the patio door was open and go in through there. And there was me and Russell as well, so, erm, you know, it seemed, at the time, a very reasonable thing to do, even though it was the first time that we'd certainly done it. Also, having somebody else there with me, it sort of felt sort of more, more sort of natural and normal. So we went out and we debated about whether we'd go in first or go in later, but Russell wanted to get back because Evie had been a little bit unsettled and so we went back first and he went in and I went in to check on Grace and actually went in through the door, unlocked the door, looked in, into her room, all fine, came back out, shut the door, erm, went over to his apartment and he said that Evie had been sick so he was staying back with her. So I went back and did the check on five 'A', on Madeleine and the kids, erm, and went back through the patio entrance, so through the gate, through the patio doors, erm, there was, it was light enough to see through the apartment and there sort of a little table light on the right at the end of the sofa and when you walk into the room, you could see straight into it, because the door was open."

How Kate would not be aware that the person doing her check was not accompanied by Russell to me is unbelievable.

Now focusing on Russell's return as per the Rogatory questions "Did you see Russell Leave the table? At what time? How long was he away? What did he say when he returned?"  We've covered when he left - i.e. the same time as Matt did.

"How long was he away?":
"Reply 'Erm, well everybody, apart from Russell and I were back, so I arrived back before Russell, erm, I think I said, all quiet, or something to, erm, to, you know, Kate and Gerry and just sort of sat back down and we carried on and I told Jane that Evie had been sick and so later on when his food came, we said, he's going to be late, can we sort of send it back or you just keep it warm and he'll have it later on, erm, we had a conversation as normal, I just remember launching into this Jane relieving Russell'.
 
4078 'We touched on that yesterday'.
Reply 'It probably came up but seemed inappropriate to mention. But, erm, she went off to relieve Russell, as it were, to sort of take over, erm, sort of duties and make sure that Evie was alright and then Russell came back and they actually redid his food, erm, I mean, he was eating it when the next sort of checks went, which were about half an hour later.'"

Jane leaves before Russell comes back.  Has Matt mentioned when did Russell return?  IMO not really.
Did he answer "How long was he away"?  Nothing about a period of time there.

Does Matt answer the next question:
"What did he say when he returned?"

He talks of chatting here "Gerry said or Kate said, it's about thirty minutes since the last check, we ought to go, so that's why I think it's thirty minutes, erm, because I think that main course would have taken a bit longer because, you know, Russell came back and we started chatting, you know, how's Evie and all that sort of thing, erm, so, I think he was still eating at the time, so we waited until he'd finished before we went'."

so we waited until he'd finished before we went must be referring to a time prior to going together at around 9:30.  So was the conversation prior to at as well?

In other words what he is saying is not chronological and really doesn't make sense.

So in conclusion Matt nearly answers one question only but then introduces  a delay " so we waited until he'd finished before we went"  into the time Russell left.

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Did you see Russell Leave the table? At what time? How long was he away? What did he say when he returned?

How well did the other Tapas 7 answer these questions?

The question is about Russell and as the story goes Jane is back at their apartment looking after the kids so really can only give an estimate of when Russell left the apartment after she took over the duties.

Russell - the questions are about Russell  so we will need to look at what he says about himself:

"Erm, the, and the only real point of reference that we can, that I can remember now is that, is that somebody did ask what time it was at some point, probably while Kate was away, and Rachael, erm, sort of said that it was around the ten o’clock mark, so I think, you know, although we have to be a little bit, you know, there’s a bit of, erm, a bit of a guesstimate going on, on sort of the other times, there as certainly a time check that was announced, you know, around the ten o’clock mark.  Erm, my food had arrived, well my food had arrived I think by this point."

So is he also not answering the questions?
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Did you see Russell Leave the table? At what time? How long was he away? What did he say when he returned?

How well did the other Tapas 7 answer these questions?

OK so we are now left with the Payne group, David Fiona and Dianne.  They already have a cloud hanging over their testimony.  How long were you talking to Kate, 30 seconds, 5 minutes or 30 minutes?
Where did you pass Matt on your way down the the Tapas?

Can we trust their answers?  I do not know.
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Offline Brietta

He was found and booked into the tapas that night at 9pm - Sperry. Hardly suspicious  @)(++(*



Michael Sperrey ~ according to textusa
    *%87    I suppose it all depends on how one would describe a rasta hairstyle.
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Offline pathfinder73

Was that taken on 3 May 2007?

------ In the main reception (open 24h) of the Ocean Club, the signatory [undersigned] was able to observe a person with long hair, curly, blonde in colour, with camouflage shorts and green sweat-shirt, which fit the description of the suspect of the "Rastas", it being that I questioned the receptionist about him, who said that this individual and his wife are guests in the hotel and he has been tireless, since yesterday, in search of the missing girl. Attached are photocopies of their passports as well as the hotel registration form. ----

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAPAS-EMPLOYEES.htm

121 to 125 - External diligences carried with OC staff followed by copies of passports inc copies of the Michael & Clare Sperrey passport identified as the man with 'Rasta' hairstyle,

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAGE_ORDER.htm
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Brietta

Was that taken on 3 May 2007?

------ In the main reception (open 24h) of the Ocean Club, the signatory [undersigned] was able to observe a person with long hair, curly, blonde in colour, with camouflage shorts and green sweat-shirt, which fit the description of the suspect of the "Rastas", it being that I questioned the receptionist about him, who said that this individual and his wife are guests in the hotel and he has been tireless, since yesterday, in search of the missing girl. Attached are photocopies of their passports as well as the hotel registration form. ----

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAPAS-EMPLOYEES.htm

121 to 125 - External diligences carried with OC staff followed by copies of passports inc copies of the Michael & Clare Sperrey passport identified as the man with 'Rasta' hairstyle,

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAGE_ORDER.htm

Who identified him?  The only witness who described seeing the man with the 'Rasta' hairstyle?  In my opinion there is no mistaking dreadlocks for curly hair.
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Offline pathfinder73

I saw a man that was coming from the road and was headed to the reception. I believe that he was with a woman but I cannot be precise of any detail about her. It was a tall Caucasian man, with blonde hair in 'rasta style' tied with a band instead of free flowing.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS-ROGATORY.htm

The woman was his wife and he had blonde hair. Jez saw him at around 9pm when the Sperrey's were booked at the tapas. Another remarkable coincidence?
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Brietta

I saw a man that was coming from the road and was headed to the reception. I believe that he was with a woman but I cannot be precise of any detail about her. It was a tall Caucasian man, with blonde hair in 'rasta style' tied with a band instead of free flowing.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS-ROGATORY.htm

The woman was his wife and he had blonde hair. Jez saw him at around 9pm when the Sperrey's were booked at the tapas. Another remarkable coincidence?

Who identified Michael Sperrey as 'Rasta man'?
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Offline sadie

Absolutely: strange that it was not easier to locate a man with the distinctive hairstyle "he noted that a person of around 1.70m, with long blond hair, apparently of the "Rasta," style and dressed in green military-style clothes, entered the restaurant." http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS.htm
The location was certainly relevant.
The timing was relevant.
Wonder if it too was a disguise pre-dating Oakley?

Original post by 'twisted'

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2917.msg101640#msg101640


And responses by the very perceptive 'Pegasus'

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2917.msg102161#msg102161
and
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2917.msg103134#msg103134
and
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2917.msg105210#msg105210
Darren Osbourne  IDIOT

Only in my opinion, of course

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That was Pegasus' view on the matter but was that true?  The real test would have been to get Jez Wilkins to confirm that they had identified the right man.
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Michael Sperrey ~ according to textusa
    *%87    I suppose it all depends on how one would describe a rasta hairstyle.
When Arlindo turns up just after 9:20 he doesn't say the Sperrys were there, the booking sheet has been ticked so I presume they turned up for their meal.
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Who identified Michael Sperrey as 'Rasta man'?

Tweedledum and Tweedledee
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

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Tweedledum and Tweedledee
They were GNR officers.
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