Portuguese judicial secrecy law and its impact on the Madeleine case.

[Alice Purjorick]

@misty & @ brietta,
Sorry old sticks not into playing silly beggars.
I am looking for a response to the fact that judicial secrecy is not a blanket matter but basically at the discretion of the investigating judge.
So how did this materially disadvantage the McCanns or the investigation into MBM's disappearance?

[misty]

@misty & @ brietta,
Sorry old sticks not into playing silly beggars.
I am looking for a response to the fact that judicial secrecy is not a blanket matter but basically at the discretion of the investigating judge.
So how did this materially disadvantage the McCanns or the investigation into MBM's disappearance?

The role of the PJ was to investigate, not insinuate. What possible advantage was granted to Madeleine as a result of stories about recovered syringes, overdoses, swinging & cremations?

[sadie]

The role of the PJ was to investigate, not insinuate. What possible advantage was granted to Madeleine as a result of stories about recovered syringes, overdoses, swinging & cremations?

The role of the PJ was to investigate, not insinuate.   I like that phrase misty.

The advantage was only to Amaral and a potential prosecution. 
Blacken the suspects name and then it is easier to make accusations stick cos 'Joe Public' believes the salacious gossip and gets angry with the accused, disbelieving what they say.

It is commonly called disinformation and is a technique used for propaganda purposes.


There was certainly no advantage to help finding Madeleine ... nor was there any advantage to her family and friends.   Just the opposite in fact.

AIMHO

[stephen25000]

Posters are again reminded, not to post libel, or state opinions as fact.

Please abide by forum rules.

[Alice Purjorick]

The role of the PJ was to investigate, not insinuate. What possible advantage was granted to Madeleine as a result of stories about recovered syringes, overdoses, swinging & cremations?

So how did that put the McCanns at a disadvantage?
It is a simple enough question.

[misty]

So how did that put the McCanns at a disadvantage?
It is a simple enough question.

If you cannot see how it disadvantaged both Madeleine & the McCann family then there is no hope for you. IMO.

[G-Unit]

I was thinking about the 'leaks' attributed to the PJ. Perhaps they are on a par with all the reports in the UK from 'a source close to the investigation'? As Rowley said;

Q: There was a report recently that there was an international manhunt in regards to a person you
were interested in talking to, maybe not even a suspect, maybe a witness?
MR: There are odd headlines and odd stories in newspapers on a regular basis and most of those are
nonsense.

An insider said: “There is just one person who detectives want to speak to who was near to the area where Madeleine disappeared almost 10 years ago.

“An international search has been underway to find them.”
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/778047/madeleine-mccann-police-investigation-new-lead-one-man-key

[ShiningInLuz]

Your defence of a justice system which not only allows but encourages torture as a means of serving justice is also pretty nauseous. Are elements of the Portuguese police as prejudiced against suspected child killers as they are against black people? You really believe that the accused officers didn't use threatening behaviour or violence to obtain the result THEY wanted, not the truth?
Here is some more background to the latest case involving the police at Cova da Moura.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-32419952

...

The restaurants serve cachupa, a slow-cooked stew of corn, beans and meat which is the national dish of Cape Verde. The streets resonate to the sounds of music from Angola.

...

But Portugal's High Commissioner for Migration, Pedro Calado disagrees. "We don't have this big problem of racism in our society," he says.
Calado - the head of the government body tasked with promoting integration, and dealing with racial discrimination - points to the Migrant Integration Policy Index (MIPEX). This global study ranks countries according to how successfully they integrate migrants. Portugal currently comes second, behind Sweden.
Portugal's defenders also point out that it hasn't had riots like London or Paris, and that there's little anti-immigrant political rhetoric in Portugal.
"I have this clear perception that what happened in Cova da Moura is not the general situation of the country. This was an exception," says Calado.

...

Many thanks for these two snippets of information.   

[stephen25000]

As a reminder to all posters

No goading.

No libelous comment.

No posting opinion as fact.

[Alice Purjorick]

If you cannot see how it disadvantaged both Madeleine & the McCann family then there is no hope for you. IMO.

Quite likely but you have still ducked the question.
How were the McCanns disadvantaged?

[misty]

Quite likely but you have still ducked the question.
How were the McCanns disadvantaged?

They were disadvantaged because media reports, such as the following, actually formed part of the official PJ files - and in the world of the Portuguese courts that makes the contents facts.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P10/10VOLUME_Xa_Page_2585.jpg
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P10/10VOLUME_Xa_Page_2586.jpg

[stephen25000]

As a reminder.

The McCann's have not been ill-treated and certainly not physically abused.

One has to wonder why some still tread this line, trying to imply they were in danger, when they clearly weren't.

[Eleanor]

As a reminder.

The McCann's have not been ill-treated and certainly not physically abused.

One has to wonder why some still tread this line, trying to imply they were in danger, when they clearly weren't.

They clearly weren't for obvious reasons.

[sadie]

As a reminder.

The McCann's have not been ill-treated and certainly not physically abused.

One has to wonder why some still tread this line, trying to imply they were in danger, when they clearly weren't.

I beg to differ. 

In my book they were horrendously abused mentally altho not physically. 

And of course they were in danger.  In danger of being falsely accused and charged for a crime that they didn't commit IMO

As Eleanor points out, I think, but without saying the words, they were protected from false charges and physical abuse by their position in life and even more by the interest of the world watching what went on.

[stephen25000]

The McCann's were not charged and are not under investigation.

They were not in danger.

Madeleine and her siblings were.