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Offline adam

Re: J B Campaign Ltd - Much Ado About Nothing...
« Reply #795 on: September 30, 2016, 04:38:57 AM »
Did the CT raise the money for the tests to be carried out on the alleged hand written notes found in Sheila's bedroom ?
« Last Edit: September 30, 2016, 05:55:42 AM by adam »

Offline Myster

Re: J B Campaign Ltd - Much Ado About Nothing...
« Reply #796 on: September 30, 2016, 07:57:33 AM »
I notice Trudi has been busy beavering away organising a crowdfunding page to raise £4000 for Jeremy Bamber.  She is claiming some cock and bull story about the window Bamber used to get into and out of the farmhouse on the morning of the murders.  The same window by the way he later used to retrieve his passport weeks after the murders.

Wrong window, John... it's for a preliminary report on the kitchen window, the one he exited...
« Last Edit: September 30, 2016, 01:38:21 PM by John »
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Myster

Re: J B Campaign Ltd - Much Ado About Nothing...
« Reply #797 on: September 30, 2016, 08:52:03 AM »
Enlarged Kitchen window & catch comparison...
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline adam

Re: J B Campaign Ltd - Much Ado About Nothing...
« Reply #798 on: September 30, 2016, 09:04:14 AM »
I notice Trudi has been busy beavering away organising a crowdfunding page to raise £4000 for Jeremy Bamber.  She is claiming some cock and bull story about the window Bamber used to get into and out of the farmhouse on the morning of the murders.  The same window by the way he later used to retrieve his passport weeks after the murders.

Everyone needs a hobby.

It seems they want to carry out new tests on different aspects. Getting the public to raise money so they can hire experts to give them the results they want.

So far it's the hand written notes and kitchen window.

At least everyone will know what was in the next failed CCRC application. If the CCRC ever agree to look at the case (again). The failed 2012 CCRC submission details were kept hush hush.
« Last Edit: September 30, 2016, 10:32:54 AM by adam »

Offline John

Re: J B Campaign Ltd - Much Ado About Nothing...
« Reply #799 on: September 30, 2016, 01:51:53 PM »
Wrong window, John... it's for a preliminary report on the kitchen window, the one he exited...

Just to clarify.  It was claimed by the prosecution that he climbed out the window above the kitchen sink the morning of the murders as items on the sink appeared to have been moved aside to facilitate his exit and a small amount of watery blood was allegedly found on the window.  I take it then that it was the bathroom window which he used much later to gain access in order to retrieve his passport?


ps  removed the crowdjustice link for obvious reasons.
« Last Edit: September 30, 2016, 08:03:02 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Myster

Re: J B Campaign Ltd - Much Ado About Nothing...
« Reply #800 on: September 30, 2016, 06:17:25 PM »
Just to clarify.  It was claimed by the prosecution that he climbed out the window above the kitchen sink the morning of the murders as items on the sink appeared to have been moved aside to facilitate his exit and a small amount of watery blood was allegedly found on the window.  I take it then that it was the bathroom window which he used much later to gain access in order to retrieve his passport?


ps  removed the crowdjustice link for obvious reasons.

The bathroom/shower-room window was the one JB used to gain access on two occasions - on the night of the murders (allegedly), and several weeks later to collect some travel documents before going abroad, when he left a note for Barbara Wilson to say he entered that way as needed them urgently and had no key.

When housekeeper Jean Bouttell was shown the crime scene photo* by the police she commented that some items around the sink were not in their usual positions... bottles, plate-drying rack maybe?

The CT now claim that the jury were only shown the photo where the window catch appears to be set at 7 o'clock.  The prosecution argued that JB exited that window and banged it to, but it looks like the latch didn't drop down to a fully-locked position, giving the impression that he might have been through it.

However, in 2011 the CT came across this other photo, taken they say, at the same time as the first which seems to show the catch fully-locked, and so favours the defence argument that the window was never used as an exit.

The photos have obviously been taken from different viewpoints - one near to the AGA, the other near to the (phone) worktop, but I think anyone can see that the curved shape of the handle creates an illusion that there is a difference in the catch positions, when in fact there isn't.

ETA: *of the Kitchen.
« Last Edit: October 01, 2016, 07:37:15 AM by Myster »
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline John

Re: J B Campaign Ltd - Much Ado About Nothing...
« Reply #801 on: September 30, 2016, 07:48:03 PM »
The bathroom/shower-room window was the one JB used to gain access on two occasions - on the night of the murders (allegedly), and several weeks later to collect some travel documents before going abroad, when he left a note for Barbara Wilson to say he entered that way as needed them urgently and had no key.

When housekeeper Jean Bouttell was shown the crime scene photo by the police she commented that some items around the sink were not in their usual positions... bottles, plate-drying rack maybe?

The CT now claim that the jury were only shown the photo where the window catch appears to be set at 7 o'clock.  The prosecution argued that JB exited that window and banged it to, but it looks like the latch didn't drop down to a fully-locked position, giving the impression that he might have been through it.

However, in 2011 the CT came across this other photo, taken they say, at the same time as the first which seems to show the catch fully-locked, and so favours the defence argument that the window was never used as an exit.

The photos have obviously been taken from different viewpoints - one near to the AGA, the other near to the (phone) worktop, but I think anyone can see that the curved shape of the handle creates an illusion that there is a difference in the catch positions, when in fact there isn't.

Sorry Myster but am totally confused now.  The photos you kindly posted earlier and the ones the Campaign Team are now referring to were of the kitchen window, the one above the kitchen sink.  Now, where the heck does the bathroom window come in?   

eta  Was it suggested that he got in using the bathroom window but exited using the kitchen one?  &%+((£
« Last Edit: September 30, 2016, 08:03:42 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline John

Re: J B Campaign Ltd - Much Ado About Nothing...
« Reply #802 on: September 30, 2016, 08:01:59 PM »
In her plea for funds video, Trudi Benjamin made early reference to Sheila's suicide note and in doing so loses all credibility instantly.  It has never been estabished what the hand written note found in Sheila's bedroom related to, it most certainly didn't amount to a suicide note.
« Last Edit: September 30, 2016, 08:08:17 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Myster

Re: J B Campaign Ltd - Much Ado About Nothing...
« Reply #803 on: September 30, 2016, 08:09:12 PM »
Sorry Myster but am totally confused now.  The photos you kindly posted earlier and the ones the Campaign Team are now referring to were of the kitchen window, the one above the kitchen sink.  Now, where the heck does the bathroom window come in?   

eta  Was it suggested that he got in using the bathroom window but exited using the kitchen one?  &%+((£

Yes, that's always been the case... in one window(6), and out the other (7).

It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline John

Re: J B Campaign Ltd - Much Ado About Nothing...
« Reply #804 on: September 30, 2016, 08:15:07 PM »
Thanx Myster, I hadn't actually appreciated that point.  Raises the question as to why would he enter by one window yet leave by another?  Could it have been that he decided to leave by the back kitchen window since there was less chance of being seen just in case someone had heard the shots and was watching?

« Last Edit: September 30, 2016, 08:27:37 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Myster

Re: J B Campaign Ltd - Much Ado About Nothing...
« Reply #805 on: September 30, 2016, 08:55:49 PM »
Thanx Myster, I hadn't actually appreciated that point.  Raises the question as to why would he enter by one window yet leave by another?

Because it was easier for him to enter the Shower-room sliding-sash window, using a thin piece of metal such as a hacksaw blade or knife to release a single catch, as he'd done several times in the past.  But more difficult to reset the catch to lock it from outside if he left that way.

With the Kitchen casement window, he found that it could be banged shut and the side catch, being a loose fit, would drop down to lock it.  Similarly, by banging the window shut, the lower catch would also drop into position (with a bit of luck) if it was set correctly when he was outside.  But if the window was locked, and he wanted to get in that way, it would be impossible without prising the wooden frame in at least two places and badly damaging it.
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Myster

Re: J B Campaign Ltd - Much Ado About Nothing...
« Reply #806 on: September 30, 2016, 09:17:14 PM »
Thanx Myster, I hadn't actually appreciated that point.  Raises the question as to why would he enter by one window yet leave by another?  Could it have been that he decided to leave by the back kitchen window since there was less chance of being seen just in case someone had heard the shots and was watching?

With or without the moderator fitted, the rifle was probably inaudible outside, even though the main bedroom window was open part way. Most likely deserted outside too at that time.

Bruce the labrador in the barn might have heard him leave via the Kitchen window, but the nearest neighbours in Pages Lane were probably used to him barking at foxes in the night anyway.
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline puglove

Re: J B Campaign Ltd - Much Ado About Nothing...
« Reply #807 on: September 30, 2016, 10:23:35 PM »
I notice Trudi has been busy beavering away organising a crowdfunding page to raise £4000 for Jeremy Bamber.  She is claiming some cock and bull story about the window Bamber used to get into and out of the farmhouse on the morning of the murders.  The same window by the way he later used to retrieve his passport weeks after the murders.

Wowee!!!  32 people have "pledged" (ho ho!) £1,025. That's over......(drumroll).......30 QUID EACH!!!!!!!!!!  Oh, the untold riches, the reckless lavishness.......

I hope I get invited to the freedom party, it's going to be flipping mental. "Vimto and Wotsits all round, carriages at 8.30 prompt. (Probably best to bring your own toilet rolls)."
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline puglove

Re: J B Campaign Ltd - Much Ado About Nothing...
« Reply #808 on: September 30, 2016, 11:48:06 PM »
Wowee!!!  32 people have "pledged" (ho ho!) £1,025. That's over......(drumroll).......30 QUID EACH!!!!!!!!!!  Oh, the untold riches, the reckless lavishness.......

I hope I get invited to the freedom party, it's going to be flipping mental. "Vimto and Wotsits all round, carriages at 8.30 prompt. (Probably best to bring your own toilet rolls)."

And...Mike. Thank you for being such a dodgy, fat, angry little burglar, and solving Maddie and the Moors murders, and 9/11, and the cure for cancer.

You massive tw...
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline Myster

Re: J B Campaign Ltd - Much Ado About Nothing...
« Reply #809 on: October 01, 2016, 09:27:07 AM »
And...Mike. Thank you for being such a dodgy, fat, angry little burglar, and solving Maddie and the Moors murders, and 9/11, and the cure for cancer.

You massive tw...

OMG!... he's just turned into a maniac number-crunching ENIAC.
« Last Edit: October 07, 2016, 03:01:40 PM by John »
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.