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Offline Eleanor

Re: Madeleine McCann alive?
« Reply #240 on: March 14, 2019, 05:51:53 PM »
I love that pug to bits Eleanor.  From what you've told us about her she and mine would get on famously, but I think on balance mine might be slightly more refeeeined.

The only thing even remotely refined about Charlotte is her name.  Christ knows who called her that.  She was always a Sidney.

I rescued her in some insane moment when I thought Pugs were nice.  No chance.  But I got stuck with her.  Six good months I had with her when she wouldn't even speak to me.  Poor little soul.  But I did always hope.

Now, we just get on.  I feed her.  And she ain't looking like dying any time soon.

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Madeleine McCann alive?
« Reply #241 on: March 14, 2019, 06:06:35 PM »
Please feel free to defend France, because that is hitting the nail on the head.

My experience of France is around 7 to 10 days in total.  I remember a hovercraft visit with my parents, when both were still alive.  I also remember watching people playing boule in Cannes, and winning a tiny amount in the local casino.  With my beloved.

At 7 to 10 days experience, I know that what I truly know about the country is next to nothing.  It's all done from a distance.  The little Portuguese girl who got murdered there last year.  Personally, I happen to love France, perhaps because it is sunnier than the UK.  Perhaps because I can speak a lot more French than I can Portuguese.

So the offer remains open.  A new blog, or a new forum, as you prefer.  100% nothing to do with MBM.  Just food, glorious food.  Your end is France and all things French.  My end is, well, the rest of the world.

My beloved loves my Singapore Laksa.  Possibly because as she was growing up she spent a couple of years there.   Along with places like the Lebanon, Sudan, India and Pakistan.  She has a truly wonderful tale about a snow leopard getting into her school compound.  Absolutely fascinating.

Come on pussycat.   A blog or forum about cooking.  Yummy, yummy scrummy in my tummy!
This sounds like something that should be taken to PM IMO, it’s all a bit... &%%6
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Madeleine McCann alive?
« Reply #242 on: March 14, 2019, 06:12:11 PM »
Please feel free to defend France, because that is hitting the nail on the head.

My experience of France is around 7 to 10 days in total.  I remember a hovercraft visit with my parents, when both were still alive.  I also remember watching people playing boule in Cannes, and winning a tiny amount in the local casino.  With my beloved.

At 7 to 10 days experience, I know that what I truly know about the country is next to nothing.  It's all done from a distance.  The little Portuguese girl who got murdered there last year.  Personally, I happen to love France, perhaps because it is sunnier than the UK.  Perhaps because I can speak a lot more French than I can Portuguese.

So the offer remains open.  A new blog, or a new forum, as you prefer.  100% nothing to do with MBM.  Just food, glorious food.  Your end is France and all things French.  My end is, well, the rest of the world.

My beloved loves my Singapore Laksa.  Possibly because as she was growing up she spent a couple of years there.   Along with places like the Lebanon, Sudan, India and Pakistan.  She has a truly wonderful tale about a snow leopard getting into her school compound.  Absolutely fascinating.

Come on pussycat.   A blog or forum about cooking.  Yummy, yummy scrummy in my tummy!

As you have said you have little knowledge of social media... It's, full of people who can really cook... Why do you think that is, relevant to this forum is a a little, strange
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Madeleine McCann alive?
« Reply #243 on: March 14, 2019, 06:41:42 PM »
Please feel free to defend France, because that is hitting the nail on the head.

My experience of France is around 7 to 10 days in total.  I remember a hovercraft visit with my parents, when both were still alive.  I also remember watching people playing boule in Cannes, and winning a tiny amount in the local casino.  With my beloved.

At 7 to 10 days experience, I know that what I truly know about the country is next to nothing.  It's all done from a distance.  The little Portuguese girl who got murdered there last year.  Personally, I happen to love France, perhaps because it is sunnier than the UK.  Perhaps because I can speak a lot more French than I can Portuguese.

So the offer remains open.  A new blog, or a new forum, as you prefer.  100% nothing to do with MBM.  Just food, glorious food.  Your end is France and all things French.  My end is, well, the rest of the world.

My beloved loves my Singapore Laksa.  Possibly because as she was growing up she spent a couple of years there.   Along with places like the Lebanon, Sudan, India and Pakistan.  She has a truly wonderful tale about a snow leopard getting into her school compound.  Absolutely fascinating.

Come on pussycat.   A blog or forum about cooking.  Yummy, yummy scrummy in my tummy!

I already have a Blog.

My youngest son is a Singapore Citizen.   I Lived there and loved it all.  And I probably know more about how to cook rice than you ever will.

Learn to cook Rice.

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Madeleine McCann alive?
« Reply #244 on: March 14, 2019, 08:42:03 PM »
I already have a Blog.

My youngest son is a Singapore Citizen.   I Lived there and loved it all.  And I probably know more about how to cook rice than you ever will.

Learn to cook Rice.
3 very good points.

Last chance.  Do you, or do not, wish to co-author a blog or forum about food?  Nothing to do with Madeleine whatsoever.

Which type of rice?  Carolina?  Basmati?  Thai fragrant rice?  Bring it on!

The French Grand Prix will come up all too soon.  Challenge!  I will be doing Nuns' Farts and Kronenborg.  That's all you have to beat to win.

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Offline kmc

Re: Madeleine McCann alive?
« Reply #245 on: March 14, 2019, 10:09:11 PM »
The pieces of evidence that bug me most about this case are the open window/shutters and the fact that the dogs followed M's scent the following morning out of the front door to the left - looping around the resort back to the Tapas Car Park.   Seems to me that the window/shutter - if not used for climbing through, could have been opened for three reasons -  the abductor had a key and wanted to throw police off an "inside job"... or chemicals were used that required ventilation.....or there were two perps and M was passed through the window.   I personally, would lean towards 2 perps -  one sneaking into the apartment - one observing from a car in the Tapas car park until he/she believed everyone was seated for dinner  - thereafter a switch at the window....and then two perps leaving in opposite directions.  Because these two elements alone, I am most suspicious of trafficking because they feel too organised for an opportunistic burglar/pedophile.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Madeleine McCann alive?
« Reply #246 on: March 14, 2019, 11:21:46 PM »
If they'd been watching for days they would have been put off by crying on previous nights. Not a peep on Thursday night. All in a deep sleep.

"They also kissed Madeleine, who was lying down. She was under the covers, she thinks because she was a bit cold. She normally clutched the soft toy and if she wasn't holding it then it was next to her, on the left. She remained lying down on her left side, with the soft toy and a pink blanket, to cover her." http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN_ARGUIDO.htm

"Moreover, he says that with respect to Madeleine she was in the same position in which he had left her at the beginning of the night. Madeleine was lying down on her left side, she was completely uncovered, that is, lying on top of the covers, with the soft toy and the blanket, both pink, next to her head, not knowing if they were placed in the position in which one can see them in the photograph attached to the files."
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm

With respect to the bed where his daughter was on the night she disappeared he says that she slept uncovered, as usual when she was hot, with the bedclothes folded down.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

 *%87

Deep sleep

"Questioned, says that the individual did not speak nor did the child as she was in a deep sleep." (Martin Smith)

"Questioned, states that the individual did not speak nor did the child as she was sleeping deeply." (Peter Smith)

But some things certainly do add up! 

Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Madeleine McCann alive?
« Reply #247 on: March 14, 2019, 11:32:22 PM »

La La.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Madeleine McCann alive?
« Reply #248 on: March 14, 2019, 11:39:14 PM »
Land your living in. SY were looking for that deep sleeping child in nearby wasteland.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Brietta

Re: Madeleine McCann alive?
« Reply #249 on: March 14, 2019, 11:43:49 PM »
Land your living in. SY were looking for that deep sleeping child in nearby wasteland.

They didn't find her there though, did they.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: Madeleine McCann alive?
« Reply #250 on: March 15, 2019, 08:04:42 AM »
It has always troubled me why they would put the children in the bedroom with the window directly at the car park, where the risk of parking cars waking the abandoned children was plainly obvious while they ignored the insight bedroom where the traffic noise was greatly reduced. I've often run that scenario over in my head and can never see their logic. I can't ever ignore the fact the dog alerted in the other bedroom either.

It makes sense if the plan was to copy a listening service. With all the children sleeping on the car park side of the block one person could check the windows of 5A, B and D easily and quickly. Approaching the main entrance I believe the Oldfielld and McCann windows were to the left and the O'Brien window was to the right; all facing onto the passageway.

According to Russell he and Mathew went on a check at 9.25om. Here is what he says;

"On that visit it was clear listening at the window that Evie had woken up".
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm

If my understanding of the layout is correct, Russell didn't enter the block and go to his front door to enter his apartment to check on hus children, he turned right along the passageway and listened at the window first. Would he have entered his apartmenr if all had been quiet I wonder?
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Offline kmc

Re: Madeleine McCann alive?
« Reply #251 on: March 15, 2019, 01:45:43 PM »
It has always troubled me why they would put the children in the bedroom with the window directly at the car park, where the risk of parking cars waking the abandoned children was plainly obvious while they ignored the insight bedroom where the traffic noise was greatly reduced. I've often run that scenario over in my head and can never see their logic. I can't ever ignore the fact the dog alerted in the other bedroom either.




IMO at that time of the year it would have been quiet whichever bedroom was selected (as a parent, I would have thought more noise would emanate from the pool/Tapas Bar side than the back street….as having visited the area, that road is pretty dead at that time of the year).  Additionally, the street bedroom required moving furniture in order to move the two single beds together.   As for the children being in a deep sleep on 3 May - I would imagine that the “tea stain” on M’s PJ top that morning (even though she supposedly had not drunk tea the night before) may indicate that difficult to administer chemicals woke two of the children the night before and prevented an abduction.  As a result, I don’t think it is too big a stretch that abductors could have returned the following evening with a less messy alternative to sedate them - particularly if waking the children didn’t seem to elicit any action for quite a length of time and that all the Tapas 9 were again seated for dinner the following day….indicating further that these kids were pretty easy targets .   That said, I notice forums often argue over issues like Tannerman /Smithman and the dogs that were brought in weeks after the incident - but all 3 have so many variables that we can’t be sure if they are actually valid/relevant to the case. I.E.  The dogs not only seemed to be “led” by their handler…. but I also imagine that the apartment over the years saw a huge quantity of stinking nappies, wet swimming costumes, sea shells and discarded food  - so no doubt some pretty horrendous smell residues that most humans would not have picked up.  Also, abductors have been known to enter properties without leaving any usable trail of DNA or fingerprints…. including Alesha Macphail and Elizabeth Smart…..and in Elizabeth’s case the guy actually worked as a handy man in the house…..and still no usable dna or fingerprints were found.  Personally, bearing all this mind I can only imagine that if SY, after all theses years, are now asking for another year of funding - it can only be justifiable if they are going after a much “bigger animal” i.e. a trafficking ring.

Offline barrier

Re: Madeleine McCann alive?
« Reply #252 on: March 15, 2019, 01:50:24 PM »



IMO at that time of the year it would have been quiet whichever bedroom was selected (as a parent, I would have thought more noise would emanate from the pool/Tapas Bar side than the back street….as having visited the area, that road is pretty dead at that time of the year).  Additionally, the street bedroom required moving furniture in order to move the two single beds together.   As for the children being in a deep sleep on 3 May - I would imagine that the “tea stain” on M’s PJ top that morning (even though she supposedly had not drunk tea the night before) may indicate that difficult to administer chemicals woke two of the children the night before and prevented an abduction.  As a result, I don’t think it is too big a stretch that abductors could have returned the following evening with a less messy alternative to sedate them - particularly if waking the children didn’t seem to elicit any action for quite a length of time and that all the Tapas 9 were again seated for dinner the following day….indicating further that these kids were pretty easy targets .   That said, I notice forums often argue over issues like Tannerman /Smithman and the dogs that were brought in weeks after the incident - but all 3 have so many variables that we can’t be sure if they are actually valid/relevant to the case. I.E.  The dogs not only seemed to be “led” by their handler…. but I also imagine that the apartment over the years saw a huge quantity of stinking nappies, wet swimming costumes, sea shells and discarded food  - so no doubt some pretty horrendous smell residues that most humans would not have picked up.  Also, abductors have been known to enter properties without leaving any usable trail of DNA or fingerprints…. including Alesha Macphail and Elizabeth Smart…..and in Elizabeth’s case the guy actually worked as a handy man in the house…..and still no usable dna or fingerprints were found. Personally, bearing all this mind I can only imagine that if SY, after all theses years, are now asking for another year of funding - it can only be justifiable if they are going after a much “bigger animal” i.e. a trafficking ring.


Bolded bit,that would be down to Interpol surely.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Madeleine McCann alive?
« Reply #253 on: March 15, 2019, 03:51:14 PM »



IMO at that time of the year it would have been quiet whichever bedroom was selected (as a parent, I would have thought more noise would emanate from the pool/Tapas Bar side than the back street….as having visited the area, that road is pretty dead at that time of the year).  Additionally, the street bedroom required moving furniture in order to move the two single beds together.   As for the children being in a deep sleep on 3 May - I would imagine that the “tea stain” on M’s PJ top that morning (even though she supposedly had not drunk tea the night before) may indicate that difficult to administer chemicals woke two of the children the night before and prevented an abduction.  As a result, I don’t think it is too big a stretch that abductors could have returned the following evening with a less messy alternative to sedate them - particularly if waking the children didn’t seem to elicit any action for quite a length of time and that all the Tapas 9 were again seated for dinner the following day….indicating further that these kids were pretty easy targets .   That said, I notice forums often argue over issues like Tannerman /Smithman and the dogs that were brought in weeks after the incident - but all 3 have so many variables that we can’t be sure if they are actually valid/relevant to the case. I.E.  The dogs not only seemed to be “led” by their handler…. but I also imagine that the apartment over the years saw a huge quantity of stinking nappies, wet swimming costumes, sea shells and discarded food  - so no doubt some pretty horrendous smell residues that most humans would not have picked up.  Also, abductors have been known to enter properties without leaving any usable trail of DNA or fingerprints…. including Alesha Macphail and Elizabeth Smart…..and in Elizabeth’s case the guy actually worked as a handy man in the house…..and still no usable dna or fingerprints were found.  Personally, bearing all this mind I can only imagine that if SY, after all theses years, are now asking for another year of funding - it can only be justifiable if they are going after a much “bigger animal” i.e. a trafficking ring.

All the things you list which might have affected the dogs were undoubtedly present in 5B, D, and H too, of course.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Madeleine McCann alive?
« Reply #254 on: March 15, 2019, 04:02:04 PM »
All the things you list which might have affected the dogs were undoubtedly present in 5B, D, and H too, of course.

But of course the digs ignored areas in 5a but were allowed try again before alerting
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