Alan Turnbulls closing speech

[Kenmair]

Yes, i'm well aware of all the negative articles concerning Dr Lean, Ken, they're well advertised on Twitter!
Needless to say, I still fully support her!
Goodnight!

Why do you fully support someone who has been exposed as a compulsive liar? I'm not on twitter but have seen the court transcripts website that shows the extent of SL's lies compared to what actually happened. Even a primary school child would see through this.

https://lmtranscriptdiscussion.blogspot.com/2024/02/transcript-comparison-comparison.html

[Vertigo Swirl]

Why do you fully support someone who has been exposed as a compulsive liar? I'm not on twitter but have seen the court transcripts website that shows the extent of SL's lies compared to what actually happened. Even a primary school child would see through this.

https://lmtranscriptdiscussion.blogspot.com/2024/02/transcript-comparison-comparison.html

What has SL had to say for herself now that her lies have been exposed, or has she gone into hiding?

[Joe Blogs]

Why do you fully support someone who has been exposed as a compulsive liar? I'm not on twitter but have seen the court transcripts website that shows the extent of SL's lies compared to what actually happened. Even a primary school child would see through this.

https://lmtranscriptdiscussion.blogspot.com/2024/02/transcript-comparison-comparison.html

Yes, i've read the transcript comparisons, Ken!
But surely you mean what was actually 'said'. not what actually 'happened'.
Entirely different thing! We dont know what happened yet, especially if LM is innocent!
All we have is what was 'said' in statements, much of which was changed by witnesses as time passed on the run up to the trial, that should be the main concern.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Yes, i've read the transcript comparisons, Ken!
But surely you mean what was actually 'said'. not what actually 'happened'.
Entirely different thing! We dont know what happened yet, especially if LM is innocent!
All we have is what was 'said' in statements, much of which was changed by witnesses as time passed on the run up to the trial, that should be the main concern.

If Mitchell is so evidently innocent from what was presented in court why did Sandra Lean have to misrepresent so much of it in her campaign to free him?

[Joe Blogs]

If Mitchell is so evidently innocent from what was presented in court why did Sandra Lean have to misrepresent so much of it in her campaign to free him?

I believe Dr Lean was working from original statements rather than trial transcripts to compile her book, Vertigo!
Therefore there can be no 'trial transcript', 'book' comparison as it were!

[Vertigo Swirl]

I believe Dr Lean was working from original statements rather than trial transcripts to compile her book, Vertigo!
Therefore there can be no 'trial transcript', 'book' comparison as it were!

Hmm, didn’t she claim to have full access to the court transcripts?

[Joe Blogs]

Hmm, didn’t she claim to have full access to the court transcripts?

Maybe, Vertigo, would need to check!
Still doesn't mean she based her book on them though does it?
Would need to watch some of Dr Leans podcasts on the subject to see exactly what she claims.

[Kenmair]

What has SL had to say for herself now that her lies have been exposed, or has she gone into hiding?

She is hanging on via her sock puppet account Joe Blogs pretending she has done no wrong. Even the clowns who run the LM campaign kicked her out.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Maybe, Vertigo, would need to check!
Still doesn't mean she based her book on them though does it?
Would need to watch some of Dr Leans podcasts on the subject to see exactly what she claims.

If she had full access to the court transcripts then there really is no excuse for not basing her book on them is there?

[Joe Blogs]

If she had full access to the court transcripts then there really is no excuse for not basing her book on them is there?

I dont know, Vertigo!
Obviously Dr Lean thinks that LM is innocent, so isn't going to quote too much from the final evidence that made it to court, by that time the search trio especially had changed their story considerably!
Why does her book need to be based on the trial transcripts and not earlier witness statements which undoubtably hold more truth?
For instance, 'mucking about up here' was thrown about several times in court and seemed to be accepted, yet LM claim of meeting Jodi at Newbattle was not questioned by a sole in the days/weeks following the murder!
I believe the evidence which ended up in court bore little resemblance to the original statements, and Dr Lean was quite right to give us a more complete/truer version of events in her book!

[Vertigo Swirl]

I dont know, Vertigo!
Obviously Dr Lean thinks that LM is innocent, so isn't going to quote too much from the final evidence that made it to court, by that time the search trio especially had changed their story considerably!
Why does her book need to be based on the trial transcripts and not earlier witness statements which undoubtably hold more truth?
For instance, 'mucking about up here' was thrown about several times in court and seemed to be accepted, yet LM claim of meeting Jodi at Newbattle was not questioned by a sole in the days/weeks following the murder!
I believe the evidence which ended up in court bore little resemblance to the original statements, and Dr Lean was quite right to give us a more complete/truer version of events in her book!

Because statements given in court are given under oath and should carry more weight imo and should certainly not be ignored or misrepresented when writing a book about the case because it is upon the evidence presented in court that the jury makes its judgement. 

[Kenmair]

If she had full access to the court transcripts then there really is no excuse for not basing her book on them is there?

She claims in a YT video she had "all" the transcripts which is a lie as the person who is publishing the transcripts was told some are not available and most were being transcribed for the first time. Lying is second nature to Lean and I'm sure she doesn't believe LM is not guilty, but wrote the book as an "Innocence Fraud" and used the case to generate money and notoriety for herself.

I've yet to see anyone in the criminal justice or legal world refer to her book as an accurate portrayal of the case.

[Joe Blogs]

She claims in a YT video she had "all" the transcripts which is a lie as the person who is publishing the transcripts was told some are not available and most were being transcribed for the first time. Lying is second nature to Lean and I'm sure she doesn't believe LM is not guilty, but wrote the book as an "Innocence Fraud" and used the case to generate money and notoriety for herself.

I've yet to see anyone in the criminal justice or legal world refer to her book as an accurate portrayal of the case.

Thats interesting Ken!
Do you know which ones were transcribed for the first time?
And if this is the case, how then can Dr Leans book be compared with them ?

[Joe Blogs]

Because statements given in court are given under oath and should carry more weight imo and should certainly not be ignored or misrepresented when writing a book about the case because it is upon the evidence presented in court that the jury makes its judgement.

Well, somebody lied in court regarding where Jodi and Luke planned to meet, Vertigo! Wasn't LM taking a huge risk lying to the police regarding this issue not knowing whether or not the Jodi texts still existed?
And again, why didn't Judith question LM about'mucking about up here' when he phoned her at 10.40?
No such quiery was made and Judith phoned Alice soon after to send her directly to RDP!
So, honestly, who doe's it look like was telling the truth regarding the meeting place of Jodi/Luke??
And remember, the only question Judith asked LM in the days following the murder was why he didn't phone again when Jodi failed to turn up! No quiery was made about the meeting place as far as I know, was it??
When did 'mucking about up here ' become FACT? And you tell me only to accept the court evidence, Vertigo!
I cant do that i'm afraid, no way! That doesn't make sense to me!

[Kenmair]

Thats interesting Ken!
Do you know which ones were transcribed for the first time?
And if this is the case, how then can Dr Leans book be compared with them ?

The point which you've conveniently ignored is SL claimed she had all the transcripts. The LM transcriptions website show that clearly never happened. She also claimed the transcripts were not available for mere mortals, only people like herself. Yet another lie.