Poll

Peer Reviewed Research suggests that Scent Dogs of all types have a maximunm combined accuracy of about 90%

I Understand and Accept this
3 (50%)
I believe Scent Dogs are more accurate than this
1 (16.7%)
I am not sure
1 (16.7%)
I don't believe Scent Dogs generally are that accurate
1 (16.7%)

Total Members Voted: 6

Voting closed: July 24, 2018, 11:14:43 AM

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Offline Brietta

Re: Poll - Scent Dogs Accuracy
« Reply #450 on: June 20, 2018, 12:32:20 PM »
That’s a new one, Eddie was wrong because he didn’t have a piece of paper...
It seems that with or without a piece of paper the attributes of cadaver dogs are not an exact science.  If they are to be taken seriously in a court of law there has to be a more consistent regime of training standards which are accredited independently.

In my opinion what happened in Praia da Luz is a prime example of the concern that they have "the potential to cause complications in an inquiry".

Who knows what Shannon's fate would have been had the police relied on the cadaver alerts and stopped looking for her.  As it was she was found alive and as well as could be expected.

Who knows what would have happened in Madeleine's case had the police not been beguiled by the pseudo science they apparently believed of the dogs to stop looking for her.
As it is ~ Madeleine is still missing.


Sniffer Dogs 'Can Hinder Police Work'
00:43, UK, Thursday 24 March 2011
By Gerard Tubb, Sky News correspondent
Sniffer dog Eddie was relieved of his police duties

Police sniffer dogs used to find missing people and dead bodies "urgently" need better training and monitoring, according to an official report.

The Government's National Policing Improvement Agency (NPIA) said specialist victim recovery dogs are not trained to approved standards, with no way of gauging their competence.


The NPIA reviewed the use of the specialist sniffer dogs two years ago, but its report has only now surfaced following a request by Sky News.

"There is no consistency in what the dogs can do and how it is done," the report states.

"Furthermore, there is no national standard for accrediting dogs and handlers or record keeping of the success rate they achieve."

The report added the dogs, which are trained to detect the smell of dead bodies, have "the potential to cause complications in an inquiry".

"There is an urgent need to have national policy on their training, accreditation and deployment," it concluded.

The review uses a kidnap investigation to highlight how dogs have tied up valuable police time.

The animals detected human remains in old furniture that had been bought from houses where the owner had died.

The use of victim recovery, or cadaver dogs, has proved to be controversial in a number of high-profile cases in recent years.

A South Yorkshire Police spaniel called Eddie was said to have sniffed out the "scent of death" at the Haut de la Garenne children's home in Jersey and the apartment from which Madeleine McCann disappeared in Portugal.

But in both cases nothing more was found and South Yorkshire Police say Eddie is no longer working with them.

Victim recovery dogs from four different police forces were used during searches for kidnapped schoolgirl Shannon Matthews in Dewsbury in West Yorkshire in 2008.

The dogs found evidence of dead bodies, but officers later discovered the corpses were nothing to do with her disappearance.

"The properties searched contained a high level of second-hand furniture bought from dwellings where someone had died," according to the NPIA report.

"This resulted in numerous indications that required further investigation to confirm whether they were connected to the investigation, or to previous owners of the furniture."

The Association of Chief Police Officers told Sky News it was consulting individual police forces and hoped to have national training standards for the dogs later this year.

https://news.sky.com/story/sniffer-dogs-can-hinder-police-work-10488976
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline sadie

Re: Poll - Scent Dogs Accuracy
« Reply #451 on: June 20, 2018, 12:42:07 PM »

Offline Brietta

Re: Poll - Scent Dogs Accuracy
« Reply #452 on: June 20, 2018, 02:13:54 PM »
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/47march11/sky-25-3-11-eddie_small.jpg


Sniffer dog Eddie was relieved of his police duties


Is this the truth of the matter?  Was Eddie relieved of his police duties ?
I think it is just a bit of editor's hyperbole, Sadie, and I swithered before copying it in.  Martin Grime reached retiral and was able to take Eddie with him. 
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Poll - Scent Dogs Accuracy
« Reply #453 on: June 21, 2018, 10:24:12 PM »
This wasn't one alert by Eddie but many alerts. You really think the police who know Eddie believe he false alerted many times to apartment 5A, clothes with no blood, outside of the car etc.  It's not hard to work out why so much money is being spent on this case.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Brietta

Re: Poll - Scent Dogs Accuracy
« Reply #454 on: June 21, 2018, 11:53:42 PM »
This wasn't one alert by Eddie but many alerts. You really think the police who know Eddie believe he false alerted many times to apartment 5A, clothes with no blood, outside of the car etc.  It's not hard to work out why so much money is being spent on this case.

He alerted spectacularly at the hire car.  One of the areas for which we do have forensic confirmations.  Not a single one of which related to Madeleine as an individual either alive or dead.
Therefore - all false positives.

He alerted to some clothes in the gymnasium all from the same cardboard box.  These were the clothes present in the villa which he had previously studiously ignored.
More false positives?

The McCanns were made arguidos on the strength of the dog alerts!  They were neither arrested or charged because there was no supporting evidence to do so.
Work that one out.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....


Offline Brietta

"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Venturi Swirl

"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Eleanor

Re: Poll - Scent Dogs Accuracy
« Reply #458 on: June 22, 2018, 09:39:47 AM »

Goodness me.  There's a few turn ups.

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Poll - Scent Dogs Accuracy
« Reply #459 on: June 22, 2018, 09:45:44 AM »
Goodness me.  There's a few turn ups.

Perhaps you can point out what that has to do with scent dog accuracy?
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Poll - Scent Dogs Accuracy
« Reply #460 on: June 22, 2018, 11:03:49 AM »
Perhaps you can point out what that has to do with scent dog accuracy?
Probably the bit where it says Grime’s dogs licenses had expired and could not therefore be considered reliable?
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Poll - Scent Dogs Accuracy
« Reply #461 on: June 22, 2018, 11:23:41 AM »
Probably the bit where it says Grime’s dogs licenses had expired and could not therefore be considered reliable?

Not section 6 which was originally highlighted.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline John

Re: Poll - Scent Dogs Accuracy
« Reply #462 on: June 22, 2018, 11:27:26 AM »
A point of note everyone. Every post has a unique identifier or URL which is revealed once you click on the post header.  For example, the URL for this post is  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8465.msg470054#msg470054

Members occasionally refer back to posts by the post number but the difficulty arises when a thread has been edited sometimes altering the post count. Best to refer back to a specific post by its URL.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline John

Re: Poll - Scent Dogs Accuracy
« Reply #463 on: June 22, 2018, 11:29:29 AM »
I have reopened the poll given the renewed interest in scent dogs.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Poll - Scent Dogs Accuracy
« Reply #464 on: June 22, 2018, 11:30:04 AM »
Eddie alerted in the Parker case - September 2007 i.e. a month after the Madeleine McCann case alerts.

July 2009
We also saw video played in the courtroom to demonstrate how another dog, Eddie, found a sample pair of pants hidden in the Walker County Jail that was perfumed with a cadaver scent. Eddie is an English Springer Spaniel belonging to Martin Grime, a world-renown forensic K-9 expert based in the United Kingdom.

Grime testified he was paid $450 a day, plus travel and living expenses, by the FBI to search some areas in Walker County in connection with Teresa Parker's disappearance.

During a visit to Parker's home back in September 2007 Grime said he and Eddie sniffed around their garage.

"He immediately gave a positive bark response within the garage between a truck parked to the left of the entrance and a boat parked to the right," Grime said.

Grime added Eddie did not seem interested in the vehicles but in a scent that was wafting in the air, based on the way the dog held his nose upward. Grime said Eddie then "hit" on an abandoned house next door. Testimony shows that house was never repaired after a fire gutted the inside and killed a child several years ago.

During lengthy cross-examination Grime said there is no evidence to show Eddie smelled anything incriminating against or linked to Mr. Parker. Like Higgins, Grime said cadaver dogs can only prove useful when there is other evidence that corroborates the dog's "hits."

The FBI has a keen interest in the outcome of this case. If Parker is convicted the case could pave the legal way for future prosecutions where there is no evidence other than dog "hits" in connection with a person accused of murder.

http://www.scentevidence.com/2009/07/dog-debate-at-center-of-murder-case.html

Thursday, September 3, 2009

A criminal court jury on Thursday afternoon found former LaFayette Police sergeant Sam Parker guilty of murder.

He was sentenced to life in prison by Judge Jon "Bo" Wood.

Parker also received two concurrent five-year terms for violating his oath of office and giving a false statement.

He was found not guilty of computer invasion of privacy.

The jury from Bartow County deliberated for 23 hours over four days.

Parker was found guilty of the slaying of his wife, Theresa, whose body has never been found. She was last seen March 21, 2007.

http://www.chattanoogan.com/2009/9/3/158127/Sam-Parker-Found-Guilty-Of-Murder.aspx
« Last Edit: June 22, 2018, 11:48:01 AM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.