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In the Portuguese Algarve on 12 September 2004, a young Portuguese girl disappeared in suspicious circumstances.  Her mother was later convicted of her murder and her uncle of concealing her remains.

That young girl was Joana Cipriano aged eight years.



Joana's mother and uncle initially claimed that they had sent the girl to a local shop to pick up some groceries but she never returned.  Posters were duly printed out and distributed around the area, the local Press ran a story based on the theory that the girl had been abducted.  On the day that Joana disappeared a fair was being held in the village and there were many strangers milling around.

Some things just didn't add up however, the girl was seen heading home by a neighbour and there was an inexplicable delay in reporting her missing. It was also revealed that the uncle had a prior conviction for attempted murder and was prone to violence. When the full story relating to the missing girl's background and upbringing were revealed by locals, the police became even more sceptical so brought in detectives to reinterview the mother and other family members.  A different story soon emerged, the mother eventually revealed that in truth she had had an argument with the child after her return from the shop, that she had hit her head off a wall to her fatal injury. She also claimed that the uncle had taken the girl out the back and hidden her in some wasteground.

Both the mother and the uncle were arrested before being arraigned on charges relating to the girls homicide.  The mother was remanded in custody while the uncle was bailed so that he could assist police to recover the girls remains.  Despite several searches in different areas no body was found.  The police then turned their attention to the mother, she was taken out of prison and subjected to sustained physical torture in an attempt to extract information relating to the girls whereabouts.  Both mother and uncle were later convicted, the mother with murder and the brother with concealment of a body. The girl's remains have never been found.



The missing girls mother, Leonor Cipriano, photographed after being returned to prison by police.

Five police officers were indicted in the torture of Leonor Cipriano including Goncalo Amaral, the lead/coordinating detective who initially ran the Madeleine McCann case.  Amaral was later found guilty of misrepresenting evidence in an attempt to cover for other officers, he was given an 18 month suspended sentence.  Another officer received a 2 year 6 month suspended sentence for forgery while three other officers were acquitted on the basis that the victim could not identify her abusers, she had a paper bag over her head at the time of the assaults.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1186727/Madeleine-chief-detective-convicted-falsifying-evidence-separate-missing-child-case.html

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Would the McCanns have been tortured too had they been Portuguese?
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2015, 07:16:38 PM »
...anyone with any intelligence...would know that had the mccanns been portuguese they would have not only been arrested... but beaten to a pulp...cite cipriano
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Would the McCanns have been tortured too had they been Portuguese?
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2015, 07:18:21 PM »
well everyone on here seems to ...but anyone with any intelligence...which will exclude some on here...would know that had the mccanns been portuguese they would have not only been arrested... but beaten to a pulp...cite cipriano

Pure propaganda.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Would the McCanns have been tortured too had they been Portuguese?
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2015, 07:21:33 PM »
Pure propaganda.

cipriano was beaten to a pulp by the pj...proved in court not propaganda

stephen25000

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Re: Would the McCanns have been tortured too had they been Portuguese?
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2015, 07:21:54 PM »
Pure propaganda.

That Slarti is exactly what it is, and no more.

stephen25000

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Re: Would the McCanns have been tortured too had they been Portuguese?
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2015, 07:22:35 PM »
cipriano was beaten to a pulp by the pj...proved in court not propaganda

Which members of the PJ dave ?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Would the McCanns have been tortured too had they been Portuguese?
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2015, 07:23:53 PM »
Which members of the PJ dave ?

we don't know...she had a bag placed over head

Offline misty

Re: Would the McCanns have been tortured too had they been Portuguese?
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2015, 07:26:37 PM »
we don't know...she had a bag placed over head

Must be the way they train their cops over there....
http://portugalresident.com/psp-police-chiefs-suspended-without-pay-for-torturing-recruits

stephen25000

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Re: Would the McCanns have been tortured too had they been Portuguese?
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2015, 07:26:40 PM »
we don't know...she had a bag placed over head

Irrelevant.

Then there is no proof they did this.

and what about the claim the prisoners made about this 'beating up' ?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Would the McCanns have been tortured too had they been Portuguese?
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2015, 07:34:06 PM »
Irrelevant.

Then there is no proof they did this.

and what about the claim the prisoners made about this 'beating up' ?

it was proved in court...the PJ accepted she sustained the injuries in their custody

they claimed she fell down the stairs...not she was attacked by other prisoners

the court ruled she had been beaten by the Pj and that they had lied..amaral was convicted for lying
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stephen25000

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Re: Would the McCanns have been tortured too had they been Portuguese?
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2015, 07:39:11 PM »
it was proved in court...the PJ accepted she sustained the injuries in their custody

they calimed she fell down the stairs...not she was attacked by other prisoners

the court ruled she had been beaten by the Pj and taht they had lied..amaral was convicted

Well name the officers involved.

Otherwise the Portuguese judgement holds no water at all and neither does your propaganda.

The mccanns were never in danger.

They came back to England and broke their promise.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Would the McCanns have been tortured too had they been Portuguese?
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2015, 07:40:13 PM »
Well name the officers involved.

Otherwise the Portuguese judgement holds no water at all and neither does yolur propaganda.

The mccanns were never in danger.

They came back to England and broke their promise.

...everyone knows the court found torture proved
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stephen25000

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Re: Would the McCanns have been tortured too had they been Portuguese?
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2015, 07:40:54 PM »
absolutely spot on...

What is evidently obvious, is the tactics you and certain other mccann supporters use on this forum.

stephen25000

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Re: Would the McCanns have been tortured too had they been Portuguese?
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2015, 07:42:45 PM »
...everyone knows the court found torture proved

She had injuries, by persons unknown.

The Portuguese judgement would not have been upheld in the UK.

http://www.dn.pt/portugal/interior/caso-joana-relacao-mantem-penas-a-exinspectores-1882361.html


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All the PJ officers previously accused by the murderess Leonor Cipriano were immediately considered innocent in her Court Sentence session.

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Re: The beating and conviction of Leonor Cipriano

« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2013, 08:39:17 PM »

Quote

It's an open document in FARO Court of Law, go there and look for yourself - I did.



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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Would the McCanns have been tortured too had they been Portuguese?
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2015, 07:47:54 PM »
Very original.

She had injuries, by persons unknown.

The Portuguese judgement would not have been upheld in the UK.

the court ruled the injuries were caused by the PJ...absolute fact

what evidence do you have that the judgement would not have been upheld in the Uk...none