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ferryman

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Re: The Ian Horrock's Report on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #30 on: January 27, 2014, 09:07:23 AM »
Good to see Ian Horrocks confirm what is patently obvious about the dogs:

The spurious and often inaccurately reported forensic findings, the irrelevant behaviour of the cadaver dogs, ...

Quite.

Not read it before.  The whole thing is an interesting read, and perhaps explains why the Smith sighting emerged when it did.

Offline Angelo222

Re: The Ian Horrock's Report on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #31 on: January 27, 2014, 09:50:16 AM »
Good to see Ian Horrocks confirm what is patently obvious about the dogs:

The spurious and often inaccurately reported forensic findings, the irrelevant behaviour of the cadaver dogs, ...

Quite.

Not read it before.  The whole thing is an interesting read, and perhaps explains why the Smith sighting emerged when it did.

Who's to decide what is irrelevant, Ian Horrocks or a dog expert? I know who my money is on.  8(0(*
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Offline Angelo222

Re: The Ian Horrock's Report on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #32 on: January 27, 2014, 09:56:15 AM »
Thank you Anne. And yes Sadie,I agree there must have been a light source somewhere to allow Matt to be able to see the twins. But, this must have also have been the case for GM's 9pm check...he was able to stand for a while (according to him) and look at Madeleine. I'm sure he wouldn't have turned the light on for fear of waking them?

It is possible to have the shutters down but with the slats opened wide enough to allow some light and air into the room.




The shutter below is open at the top but closed at the bottom.  By adjusting the tension in the pull strap the openings can be set to any desired level of light.

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Offline colombosstogey

Re: The Ian Horrock's Report on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #33 on: January 27, 2014, 10:57:56 AM »
its all a load of horrocks lol.

The thing is didnt Kate say it was DARK in the room and she could not really see if there was a child in the bed?

How many different versions do we need to read lol.

I would have the shutters DOWN to make it easy for children to sleep especially in a strange place.

AnneGuedes

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Re: The Ian Horrock's Report on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #34 on: January 27, 2014, 11:01:41 AM »
Which verb would you use in English to describe curtains covering the window vs curtains hanging on each side of the window ?
Mrs McCann and Mr McCann made very similar statements (same translator) on the 4th of May. Both said they saw immediately that the curtains were not covering the window as they had been left, revealing the open window and the lifted up shutters.
Then the timeline was elaborated before the 10th of May, signed by all. For the first time the curtains fly revealing the open window and shutters. Then Mrs McCann  pushes them apart..
In spite of this story, Mr McCann repeats, in his 10th of May statement, that, when they arrived, they saw that the curtains were not covering the window..
The curtains detail is coherent with DCI Redwood's Innocentman argument. It shows clearly that Madeleine was in her bed when Mr Oldfield did his 21h30 check or at least hadn't yet been taken away.
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Offline Angelo222

Re: The Ian Horrock's Report on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #35 on: January 27, 2014, 11:33:45 AM »
Which verb would you use in English to describe curtains covering the window vs curtains hanging on each side of the window ?
Mrs McCann and Mr McCann made very similar statements (same translator) on the 4th of May. Both said they saw immediately that the curtains were not covering the window as they had been left, revealing the open window and the lifted up shutters.
Then the timeline was elaborated before the 10th of May, signed by all. For the first time the curtains fly revealing the open window and shutters. Then Mrs McCann  pushes them apart..
In spite of this story, Mr McCann repeats, in his 10th of May statement, that, when they arrived, they saw that the curtains were not covering the window..
The curtains detail is coherent with DCI Redwood's Innocentman argument. It shows clearly that Madeleine was in her bed when Mr Oldfield did his 21h30 check or at least hadn't yet been taken away.

In English we refer to closed or drawn curtains as distinct to open ones.

Matthew never saw whether Madeleine was in the room so his contribution is worthless.
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Offline Kazcutt

Re: The Ian Horrock's Report on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #36 on: January 27, 2014, 11:36:15 AM »
1. That Madeleine either died accidentally, or was killed by her parents.
2. That Madeleine wandered out of the apartment and either became lost, or was taken by someone in the street.
3. That Madeleine was abducted by one or two predatory paedophiles, and she was assaulted and either died, or was killed.
4. That Madeleine was taken by a person or couple with the intention of keeping her, and raising her.




I could have told  him that years ago not rocket science was it

Offline pathfinder73

Re: The Ian Horrock's Report on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #37 on: January 27, 2014, 12:07:29 PM »
Good to see Ian Horrocks confirm what is patently obvious about the dogs:

The spurious and often inaccurately reported forensic findings, the irrelevant behaviour of the cadaver dogs, ...

Quite.

Not read it before.  The whole thing is an interesting read, and perhaps explains why the Smith sighting emerged when it did.

10.03 was the exact time of the Smith sighting. People don't pick exact times out of the air unless there's a very good reason for it. This will all connect with the irrelevant behaviour of Eddie LOL  @)(++(*

Eddie did his work now the baton is handed over to SY/PJ to get Smithman.
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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

stephen25000

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Re: The Ian Horrock's Report on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #38 on: January 27, 2014, 01:50:20 PM »
Good to see Ian Horrocks confirm what is patently obvious about the dogs:

The spurious and often inaccurately reported forensic findings, the irrelevant behaviour of the cadaver dogs, ...

Quite.

Not read it before.  The whole thing is an interesting read, and perhaps explains why the Smith sighting emerged when it did.

That ferryman has been your specialty for years............

Talking horrocks. @)(++(*

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The Ian Horrock's Report on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #39 on: January 27, 2014, 02:17:24 PM »
Who's to decide what is irrelevant, Ian Horrocks or a dog expert? I know who my money is on.  8(0(*

As far as I am concerned Horrocks is agreeing with Grime...the dogs alerts have no evidential value...same as irrelevant

stephen25000

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Re: The Ian Horrock's Report on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #40 on: January 27, 2014, 03:31:48 PM »
As far as I am concerned Horrocks is agreeing with Grime...the dogs alerts have no evidential value...same as irrelevant

Horrock's  'ability' to get to the truth was clearly lacking in the Barry George case.

Likewise here.


AnneGuedes

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Re: The Ian Horrock's Report on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #41 on: January 27, 2014, 04:01:02 PM »
10.03 was the exact time of the Smith sighting. People don't pick exact times out of the air unless there's a very good reason for it.
Sherlock Holmes knew that.

Offline slartibartfast

Re: The Ian Horrock's Report on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #42 on: January 27, 2014, 04:30:21 PM »
As far as I am concerned Horrocks is agreeing with Grime...the dogs alerts have no evidential value...same as irrelevant

No where near the same as irrelevant. You can't just ignore the dogs because you don't like what they indicate.
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Offline sadie

Re: The Ian Horrock's Report on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #43 on: January 27, 2014, 10:49:20 PM »
No where near the same as irrelevant. You can't just ignore the dogs because you don't like what they indicate.
They dont indicate anything solid, without forensic evidence.  And there was none.

Redblossom

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Re: The Ian Horrock's Report on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #44 on: January 27, 2014, 11:16:48 PM »
Some good points in the report but unfortunately too many aspects are without foundation.

To be fair he says he speculates alot.....end of the day just another lot of theorising and speculation..and I dont for one minute believe hes read everything...eta his saying the dogs are irrelevant makes him quite irrelevant too, same way kate mccann is irrelevant when she says dogs onlybark to please their master and that cadaver scent only lasts 30 days...completely both false and irrelevant
CadVer dogs are sent in to find "remnant scent of death....one was and he found it and ever since he did feathers have been spitting flying and spinning LOL like theres no tomorrow.....non stop LOL


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