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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1590 on: March 22, 2019, 08:30:06 AM »
There is a deal on the table which both Theresa May and the EU say is the only deal there is.  Our MP's have refused to accept it but have failed to offer an alternative they would accept. Unless and until they do that the stalemate will continue.

Revoking Article 50 may appeal to some as a practical solution but in my opinion that would make a mockery of democracy. A vote is a vote and a result is a result. If the House of Commons can accept a decision passed by a majority of four they cannot justify overturning the referendum result.
What do you say to those who say that May’s deal is worse than no deal?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1591 on: March 22, 2019, 04:21:13 PM »
What do you say to those who say that May’s deal is worse than no deal?

The same as I would say to all of them. Some want to stay in, some want to be half in and half out, some want May's deal, some want no deal and it's impossible for everyone to get what they want. The people voted to leave, so leave. How you do it is up to you, politics is your job. 
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1592 on: March 22, 2019, 05:50:43 PM »
The same as I would say to all of them. Some want to stay in, some want to be half in and half out, some want May's deal, some want no deal and it's impossible for everyone to get what they want. The people voted to leave, so leave. How you do it is up to you, politics is your job.
Well isn’t the “how you do it” bit rather the problem?  Is May’s Deal the will of the people?  Or is No Deal the will of the people?  Is Norway the will of the people or do the prefer Canada Plus?  What should happen next?
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1593 on: March 22, 2019, 05:51:29 PM »
3.5 million signatures now... that’s around two million more than when I first mentioned it on here yesterday evening.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline G-Unit

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1594 on: March 22, 2019, 08:48:20 PM »
Well isn’t the “how you do it” bit rather the problem?  Is May’s Deal the will of the people?  Or is No Deal the will of the people?  Is Norway the will of the people or do the prefer Canada Plus?  What should happen next?

Anything which involves staying in any part of the EU isn't Brexit.
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Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1595 on: March 22, 2019, 09:17:12 PM »
Anything which involves staying in any part of the EU isn't Brexit.
And yet you seemed so supportive of May’s deal before, how strange.
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Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1596 on: March 22, 2019, 09:33:59 PM »
And yet you seemed so supportive of May’s deal before, how strange.

Does it involve staying in the EU?
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1597 on: March 22, 2019, 09:43:42 PM »
Does it involve staying in the EU?
Ask its many Brexiteer critics, if it involved leaving the EU with no risk of being tied to their rules and regulations forever whilst having no say whatsoever they would have backed it.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1598 on: March 23, 2019, 05:17:30 PM »
Have you seen the footage of the Anti-Brexit march in London today?  Absolutely massive turnout.  Estimated at a million people and the petition is up to almost 4.5 million.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Carana

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1599 on: March 23, 2019, 06:35:35 PM »
Close to 2.5 million signatures now.,,

Over 4.5 million now...

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1600 on: March 23, 2019, 06:52:55 PM »
Over 4.5 million now...
Most signed UK online petition of all time I believe.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1601 on: March 24, 2019, 04:16:04 PM »
Anything which involves staying in any part of the EU isn't Brexit.

Of course it is, the Referendum was leave the EU. Norway isn’t in the EU, Switzerland isn’t in the EU.
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Offline Carana

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1602 on: March 24, 2019, 05:17:04 PM »
Of course it is, the Referendum was leave the EU. Norway isn’t in the EU, Switzerland isn’t in the EU.

Farage was pushing a Norway-style deal... until he wasn't any more. Mind you, he was also in favour of a 2nd referendum... until he wasn't any longer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNCwcTu9U6U&t=12s


Other Brexiters-in-chief assured everyone that the UK would stay in the Single Market... until they changed their minds, yet again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xGt3QmRSZY

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1603 on: March 24, 2019, 05:56:10 PM »
5.1 million signatures now.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1604 on: March 24, 2019, 07:34:40 PM »
From the Times today

 “Some Brexiteers are starting to believe that the best hope of rescuing their project might be to cancel the current process (ie revoke Article 50), agree a way forward and then put that to voters in a second referendum”.

But wouldn’t that be undemocratic...?   *%6^
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly