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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #1140 on: January 21, 2020, 04:22:19 PM »
Should she (they) have signed it, or shouldn’t they?

Hardliners attack Rebecca Long Bailey for signing [ censored word]emitism pledge
Henry Zeffman, Political Correspondent
January 21 2020, 12:00pm,
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Rebecca Long Bailey called for independent scrutiny of [ censored word]emitism claims
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The leading left-wing candidate to succeed Jeremy Corbyn has been attacked by hardline activists for a commitment to combat [ censored word]emitism in Labour.

Rebecca Long Bailey has signed up to a series of pledges proposed by the Board of Deputies of British Jews. All five leadership candidates have done so.

However, thousands of activists have signed a letter to Ms Long Bailey, the shadow business secretary, attacking the pledges as “an outrageous political interference by an organisation that is overtly hostile to today’s Labour Party and everything it stands for”.

The petition has been promoted by Chris Williamson, the former Labour MP who was suspended for saying the party had been “too apologetic” in the face of [ censored word]emitism accusations. He then stood against Labour at last month’s election, finishing in last place in Derby North with 635 votes.

The board launched the ten pledges this month, saying that the “once rock solid” relationship between Labour and British Jews “has been all but destroyed”. They include commitments to resolve outstanding disciplinary cases, to make the party’s disciplinary process independent and to commit to not readmit prominent figures repeatedly accused of [ censored word]emitism.


Signing up to the pledges, Ms Long Bailey said: “I believe that our processes must be transparent, fully independent and with proper independent scrutiny.”

The letter criticising Ms Long Bailey has been signed by activists including Alexei Sayle, the comedian, and Jackie Walker, who was expelled by Labour last year after a two-year inquiry into [ censored word]emitism.

While all the leadership candidates have signed up, two of the five deputy leadership candidates have refused to support the pledges. Richard Burgon and Dawn Butler, both prominent members of Mr Corbyn’s shadow cabinet, told a hustings this weekend that they would not sign.

Mr Burgon, the shadow justice secretary, said: “I will support the leader in fighting [ censored word]emitism in our party and fighting [ censored word]emitism in society.

“I do believe, obviously, in working with the Board of Deputies in the fight against [ censored word]emitism. I have not signed and won’t be signing the ten pledges however because of some concerns I have. Firstly, I’m concerned about outsourcing our complaints procedure and how that would work in practice, so I think that needs clarifying.”

Ms Butler said she had not signed the pledges because she did not want to “jump the gun” on the findings of the Equality and Human Rights Commission investigation into Labour.

Marie van der Zyl, president of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, said: “It beggars belief that after four and a half years of failure on [ censored word]emitism Richard Burgon and Dawn Butler still think that they know better than the Jewish community how to fight this vile prejudice. No other minority would be treated in this way and this sort of thing is the very reason why Labour is being investigated for institutional [ censored word]emitism by the EHRC.

“In the deputy leadership election members now have a clear choice about whether they want to become a credible party of opposition or waste yet more years fighting the Jewish community about who gets to define our oppression.”
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #1141 on: January 21, 2020, 06:35:28 PM »
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His manifesto was a complete fantasy that would certainly have bankrupted the country if it had been implemented imo, he was also an admirer of some extreme socialist states and therefore not to be trusted, and the electorate concurred.  He is history, his persona and his politics roundly rejected, there’s really nothing more to say (though I’m prepared to place a small wager that you’ll find something).

At a conservative estimate HS2 will cost £108 billion pounds and some reports put it costing £160 billion, twice the Labour manifesto. Puts Corbyn’s manifesto into some perspective, doesn’t it.

Even you must agree that even though Corbyn might admire some aspects of some socialist states it’s rather simplistic to assume they would be copied here. Out of interest what aspects of Corbyn’s manifesto do you think were too ‘socialist’ for this country?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #1142 on: January 21, 2020, 07:13:45 PM »
At a conservative estimate HS2 will cost £108 billion pounds and some reports put it costing £160 billion, twice the Labour manifesto. Puts Corbyn’s manifesto into some perspective, doesn’t it.

Even you must agree that even though Corbyn might admire some aspects of some socialist states it’s rather simplistic to assume they would be copied here. Out of interest what aspects of Corbyn’s manifesto do you think were too ‘socialist’ for this country?
HS2 will never happen IMO, and as for Corbyn’s manifesto, his appetite for renationalising would not have stopped at the railways IMO.   Taking public ownership of the internet was rather sinister as well.  I can’t remember what else off the top my head.  Of course manifestos are only ever full of the good stuff, they’re a marketing exercise full of good intentions, half truths and downright lies.  I just didn’t trust him as far as I could fling him, and his position on Brexit was extremely disingenuous.  Have you watched this?
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/watch-jeremy-corbyn-describes-eu-as-massive-great-frankenstein-1-5879503
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #1143 on: January 21, 2020, 07:41:39 PM »
HS2 will never happen IMO, and as for Corbyn’s manifesto, his appetite for renationalising would not have stopped at the railways IMO.   Taking public ownership of the internet was rather sinister as well.  I can’t remember what else off the top my head.  Of course manifestos are only ever full of the good stuff, they’re a marketing exercise full of good intentions, half truths and downright lies.  I just didn’t trust him as far as I could fling him, and his position on Brexit was extremely disingenuous.  Have you watched this?
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/watch-jeremy-corbyn-describes-eu-as-massive-great-frankenstein-1-5879503

Well at time of writing it is going ahead with at an estimated cost that will eclipse the Labour manifesto.

Your second point you have no evidence for, just your bias.

As to his position on Brexit was not his position but the party’s position. We are a democratic party. Do you really think it’s news that Corbyn wasn’t the biggest fan of the EU ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #1144 on: January 21, 2020, 08:05:25 PM »
Well at time of writing it is going ahead with at an estimated cost that will eclipse the Labour manifesto.

Your second point you have no evidence for, just your bias.

As to his position on Brexit was not his position but the party’s position. We are a democratic party. Do you really think it’s news that Corbyn wasn’t the biggest fan of the EU ?
You asked for my opinion, then dismissed it as bias.  You’re debating tactics are quite wearing.  How could you support a leader who refused to lead on the biggest issue of a generation?  Actually don’t answer that, I really don’t care, it’s done.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #1145 on: January 21, 2020, 08:15:03 PM »
You asked for my opinion, then dismissed it as bias.  You’re debating tactics are quite wearing.  How could you support a leader who refused to lead on the biggest issue of a generation?  Actually don’t answer that, I really don’t care, it’s done.

Okay your second point was IMO....how could it possibly not be driven by bias ? It certainly wasn’t driven by evidence.

Further what don’t you understand about the term ‘democratic party’ ? Do you really think the Corbyn is some kind of autocrat ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

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"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #1147 on: January 21, 2020, 08:41:35 PM »
Okay your second point was IMO....how could it possibly not be driven by bias ? It certainly wasn’t driven by evidence.

Further what don’t you understand about the term ‘democratic party’ ? Do you really think the Corbyn is some kind of autocrat ?
Thankfully we’ll never find out the answer - he was a big fan of Castro though wasn’t he?
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #1149 on: January 22, 2020, 12:27:25 AM »
Thankfully we’ll never find out the answer - he was a big fan of Castro though wasn’t he?

Yet again....you coming running to the table with some juicy bit of tittle tattle you read in the Mail or some such right wing rag, you’re shown your error and you change the subject.

Too, too predictable.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #1150 on: January 22, 2020, 08:07:14 AM »
Yet again....you coming running to the table with some juicy bit of tittle tattle you read in the Mail or some such right wing rag, you’re shown your error and you change the subject.

Too, too predictable.
What error have I made?  Is the Independent  a right wing rag?  Probably by Jeremy’s standards!

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/jeremy-corbyn-hails-fidel-castro-as-a-champion-of-social-justice-a7440696.html
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"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #1151 on: January 22, 2020, 08:07:55 AM »
And ?
Was HS2 not in the Labour manifesto costings?
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline faithlilly

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #1152 on: January 22, 2020, 07:07:32 PM »
What error have I made?  Is the Independent  a right wing rag?  Probably by Jeremy’s standards!

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/jeremy-corbyn-hails-fidel-castro-as-a-champion-of-social-justice-a7440696.html

The Castro comment was the deflection.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #1153 on: January 22, 2020, 08:10:44 PM »
The Castro comment was the deflection.
In your opinion, in mine it demonstrates that Corbyn, a supposed democrat, is not averse to the odd communist dictator.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?