ISIS Brides, should they be allowed back ?

[Mr Gray]

It isn't necessary to have a British birth certificate to get a passport for a British child.

.You can still apply for a UK passport for your child even if you don’t register the birth in the UK.
https://www.gov.uk/register-a-birth

does she have any birth certificate....are you suggesting she can simply obtain a british passport for this child with no evidence it is hers..



You must register the birth according to the regulations in Syria.

You can’t currently register the birth with the UK authorities.

The local birth certificate, with a certified translation, should be acceptable for all purposes in the UK. You can apply for registration at any time in the future - check travel advice to find out if consular services have reopened in Syria.

from your link

Overseas British passport applications
You can’t apply for a British passport from Syria.

[Eleanor]

It isn't necessary to have a British birth certificate to get a passport for a British child.

.You can still apply for a UK passport for your child even if you don’t register the birth in the UK.
https://www.gov.uk/register-a-birth

My son has a Singapore Birth Certificate.  He was granted entry to UK by right of his mother.  But he is only a Naturalised  UK Citizen, so not the whole shilling, and that would be the first to be denied to him if he misbehaved.

[Mr Gray]

It is now known her father is Bangladeshi... And lives in Bangladesh... he also supports the home office decision... I cannot see how she does not have a right to Bangladeshi citizenship....

[Eleanor]

It is now known her father is Bangladeshi... And lives in Bangladesh... he also supports the home office decision... I cannot see how she does not have a right to Bangladeshi citizenship....

Yes, that was pretty damning on all counts.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Most of those in the refugee camp entered Syria illegally by sneaking across the border with Turkey. I assume that they can be deported as illegal immigrants. Children born in Syria arem't automatically citizens. If their parents have another natiionality at the time of the child's birth it takes their nationality.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_nationality_law

They are in a refugee camp becuase their killing and slaughtering of the innocents were challenged and they lost!

That ISIS bride. sounds so romantic. lets us cller what she is a terrorist- She knew she was 'invading' with aggressive behavior another country to cause death and distruction of that countries freedoms and human rights. they only seem to know their own, funny that!

This is a snippet from a written testament from someone I know-jouralist- Who was given it by a 19 year old who was 11 at the time. Found starved and almost dead.

Snip-
“ I was with my brother and two sisters at the market, a young boy  around age 5/6 shouted something and pointed at us. The two women ISIS WIVES ran towards us shouting in Arabic/English (I didn’t know it was English at the time)” whore, whore!  trying to get my son to sin”. They grabbed me. All I recall is this child beating me with a belt across my face-  After a severe beating, my family was told I brought them shame as my scarf fell to the side of my face . My brother was taken away and never seen since that day. As punishment my sisters and I were taken as sex slaves. I never saw them again”


And then there is this...


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6738131/SAS-troops-severed-heads-50-Yazidi-sex-slaves-close-barbaric-ISIS.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6738163/Pregnant-just-10-girl-trapped-sex-slave-ISIS-capital.html


I do pride my self in having compassion and humanity for those who cannot defend themselves .especially children.  That terrorist brought crimes against humanity to that country and ENJOYED it  , she still does!

There is no place for her here. she would be a heroine for these b@stards who live among us.

[G-Unit]

They are in a refugee camp becuase their killing and slaughtering of the innocents were challenged and they lost!

That ISIS bride. sounds so romantic. lets us cller what she is a terrorist- She knew she was 'invading' with aggressive behavior another country to cause death and distruction of that countries freedoms and human rights. they only seem to know their own, funny that!

This is a snippet from a written testament from someone I know-jouralist- Who was given it by a 19 year old who was 11 at the time. Found starved and almost dead.

Snip-
“ I was with my brother and two sisters at the market, a young boy  around age 5/6 shouted something and pointed at us. The two women ISIS WIVES ran towards us shouting in Arabic/English (I didn’t know it was English at the time)” whore, whore!  trying to get my son to sin”. They grabbed me. All I recall is this child beating me with a belt across my face-  After a severe beating, my family was told I brought them shame as my scarf fell to the side of my face . My brother was taken away and never seen since that day. As punishment my sisters and I were taken as sex slaves. I never saw them again”


And then there is this...


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6738131/SAS-troops-severed-heads-50-Yazidi-sex-slaves-close-barbaric-ISIS.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6738163/Pregnant-just-10-girl-trapped-sex-slave-ISIS-capital.html


I do pride my self in having compassion and humanity for those who cannot defend themselves .especially children.  That terrorist brought crimes against humanity to that country and ENJOYED it  , she still does!

There is no place for her here. she would be a heroine for these b@stards who live among us.

Whatever is done should be done using the law, however. If the UK treats international law with contempt others will do the same.

[Mr Gray]

Whatever is done should be done using the law, however. If the UK treats international law with contempt others will do the same.

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the law i have seen says that if a person is eligible for citizenship of another country then citizenship can be removed....the UK have complied with this law...could you quote the law you think they broke..this is uk law...

But that does not prevent the Secretary of State from making an order under subsection (2) to deprive a person of a citizenship status if—
(a)the citizenship status results from the person's naturalisation,
(b)the Secretary of State is satisfied that the deprivation is conducive to the public good because the person, while having that citizenship status, has conducted him or herself in a manner which is seriously prejudicial to the vital interests of the United Kingdom, any of the Islands, or any British overseas territory, and
(c)the Secretary of State has reasonable grounds for believing that the person is able, under the law of a country or territory outside the United Kingdom, to become a national of such a country or territory.]

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1981/61/section/40

[G-Unit]

......
the law i have seen says that if a person is eligible for citizenship of another country then citizenship can be removed....the UK have complied with this law...could you quote the law you think they broke..this is uk law...

But that does not prevent the Secretary of State from making an order under subsection (2) to deprive a person of a citizenship status if—
(a)the citizenship status results from the person's naturalisation,
(b)the Secretary of State is satisfied that the deprivation is conducive to the public good because the person, while having that citizenship status, has conducted him or herself in a manner which is seriously prejudicial to the vital interests of the United Kingdom, any of the Islands, or any British overseas territory, and
(c)the Secretary of State has reasonable grounds for believing that the person is able, under the law of a country or territory outside the United Kingdom, to become a national of such a country or territory.]

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1981/61/section/40

International Law, which is slightly different. A person must already possess another citizenship, not 'be able to become' a citizen in the future.
https://www.unhcr.org/un-conventions-on-statelessness.html

[Venturi Swirl]

Abu Hamza’s son had his British citizen revoked in 2017 when he went off to Syria to fight.  I suppose we should all be righteously indignant about that as well?

[Mr Gray]

International Law, which is slightly different. A person must already possess another citizenship, not 'be able to become' a citizen in the future.
https://www.unhcr.org/un-conventions-on-statelessness.html

Can you provide a cite from your link to support your statement.... I don't think you can.. If you can't your post is merely your opinion stated as, fact

[Mr Gray]

International Law, which is slightly different. A person must already possess another citizenship, not 'be able to become' a citizen in the future.
https://www.unhcr.org/un-conventions-on-statelessness.html

so no cite...just your opinion.

The UK govt have decided in their opinion she is entitled to Bangaldeshi citizenship and is therefore not stateless.....all her solicitor needs to do is show this is incorrect....why has he not done that...

[G-Unit]

Can you provide a cite from your link to support your statement.... I don't think you can.. If you can't your post is merely your opinion stated as, fact

The thing is, it's various laws which make the point. There's a very good article which explains it all, including the human rights being affected;

Building on article 15 of the UDHR's assurance of the right to be free from arbitrary deprivation of nationality, article 8(1) of the 1961 Statelessness Reduction Convention articulates a duty of states not to create statelessness through the deprivation of nationality, stating that a “Contracting State shall not deprive a person of his nationality if such deprivation would render him stateless”
https://academic.oup.com/rsq/article/27/3/93/1515115

When the Home Secretary took away her citizenship he made her stateless.

[Mr Gray]

The thing is, it's various laws which make the point. There's a very good article which explains it all, including the human rights being affected;

Building on article 15 of the UDHR's assurance of the right to be free from arbitrary deprivation of nationality, article 8(1) of the 1961 Statelessness Reduction Convention articulates a duty of states not to create statelessness through the deprivation of nationality, stating that a “Contracting State shall not deprive a person of his nationality if such deprivation would render him stateless”
https://academic.oup.com/rsq/article/27/3/93/1515115

When the Home Secretary took away her citizenship he made her stateless.

in your opinion...but she is not stateless...she is entitled to bangladeshi citizenship by birth

[G-Unit]

in your opinion...but she is not stateless...she is entitled to bangladeshi citizenship by birth

In the opinion of the Home Secretary she was entitled to claim Bngladeshi citixenship. No-one needs to claim something they already possess. Therefore Bangladeshu citizenship was not in her possession when he took away her British citizenship. Therefore he made her stateless.

[Mr Gray]

In the opinion of the Home Secretary she was entitled to claim Bngladeshi citixenship. No-one needs to claim something they already possess. Therefore Bangladeshu citizenship was not in her possession when he took away her British citizenship. Therefore he made her stateless.

In your opinion... There are millions of UK residents who do not have a passport... Are they stateless. ...no but they need to apply for a passport if they wish