Strange Witness Statements

[Aiofe]

This is possible, not 12, but 3, 4 maximum...
Portuguese wild dogs frighten because they're obviously hungry, but they're civilised, they don't attack.
It seems God's deaf or for some reason angry.

How do you know what is possible? Guessing again! It is a nasty habit. Still waiting for those cites that you seem to have forgotten.

[pathfinder73]

"All the apartments were searched by the dogs and when they arrived at apartment 5 J they began to sniff with intensity at the entrance door. During this behaviour it was noted by the PJ officers that there must be some unusual odour, but which with all certainty did not have anything to do with the odour being searched for, but there must have been something strange inside.

 After entering the apartment, it was observed that the dour came from close to the fridge, which was open and contained some rotting meat and vegetables." (10th May)

Very strange the fridge being left open with rotting meat and vegetables inside. Who owned apartment 5J and who was using it? Who had keys?

[pathfinder73]

From GNR Officer Rui Sergio Lopes Silva: “He only had direct contact with the couple and their friends at about  04.00 when Gerry McCann approached the GNR group of which he was a member to ask whether there was a church close by. He replied to him in English, giving the directions to a nearby church.”

[pegasus]

On page 3052 you can see at 4.32am reception tried to phone a church in Lagos but the call is very short.

[VIXTE]

"All the apartments were searched by the dogs and when they arrived at apartment 5 J they began to sniff with intensity at the entrance door. During this behaviour it was noted by the PJ officers that there must be some unusual odour, but which with all certainty did not have anything to do with the odour being searched for, but there must have been something strange inside.

 After entering the apartment, it was observed that the dour came from close to the fridge, which was open and contained some rotting meat and vegetables." (10th May)

Very strange the fridge being left open with rotting meat and vegetables inside. Who owned apartment 5J and who was using it? Who had keys?

I've noticed that,
Hope these people were investigated.
In the first days the news werent under secrecy law, so lots of news was coming out of the police.. one of the news was that there were guests at a near by apartment who left that night.. This was never again mentioned.

[pathfinder73]

Does anyone know the date of the fridge being dumped blog entry that was deleted? What was the date? Thanks.

[VIXTE]

Does anyone know the date of the fridge being dumped blog entry that was deleted? What was the date? Thanks.

this is a myth, never happened

[sadie]

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id136.html

"Nevertheless, it can also be concluded from the files that this surveillance with the periodicity that was mentioned above was not the one that is alleged in the files"

"They didn't check on them like they afterwards declared they did"

Stop spreading myths sadie.

Do NOT call me a liar.  I am quoting the PJ files.    THe individual statements back each other with very little discrepancy, well within the limits of normality.   And there is penty of backing by the waiters

An apology please. 

The quotation you give is made by a police force that is embarrassed at how badly they did.  It is called sour grapes.

The persons behind the FINAL REPORT cannot KNOW whether the time line is accurate or not.  THey were NOT there,   Everything ties fairly well and the waiters and Jez support it

[Mr Moderator]

At least three independent witnesses have shown that the tapas group lied about the 15 minute checks.

Their evidence is beyond reproach.

[Wonderfulspam]

Do NOT call me a liar.  I am quoting the PJ files.    THe individual statements back each other with very little discrepancy, well within the limits of normality.   And there is penty of backing by the waiters

An apology please. 

The quotation you give is made by a police force that is embarrassed at how badly they did.  It is called sour grapes.

The persons behind the FINAL REPORT cannot KNOW whether the time line is accurate or not.  THey were NOT there,   Everything ties fairly well and the waiters and Jez support it

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2866.0


Yep, there have been seven at 2 year intervals + one that failed just under 5 months before Madeleine was taken .... and that was only 18 miles (ish) away from PdL

They all fell in the north of Porto region, or in the PdL region .  That is 300 miles apart, but each group is quite tiny.

In the pdl region just before Madeleine
... a failed abduction under 5 months before Madeleine was taken, of a pretty little 5 3 year old,  blond haired girl called Carolina Santos was walked off in Silves
And that was just 18 miles away.  Think about it!


2 years 4 months prior to Carolina,  a fair haired pretty little seven year old girl, Joana Cipriano, was almost certainly taken from Figueira, just 7 miles away from PdL


So three pretty fair haired girls taken in a period of 2 years 8 months .  All within a distance of 18 miles from PDL

[Benice]

At least three independent witnesses have shown that the tapas group lied about the 15 minute checks.

Their evidence is beyond reproach.

IIRC it was only JT and Russell who said they checked every 15 mins. - and they are referring to the night of the 3rd May - where you can see from their statements that is true.

Russell checked just before 9.00.
Jane checked at around 9.15
Russell checked again at 9.30 and stayed at the apartment.
Jane then went to relieve him so that he could have his meal, and she stayed at the apartment.

 

[Wonderfulspam]

IIRC it was only JT and Russell who said they checked every 15 mins. - and they are referring to the night of the 3rd May - where you can see from their statements that is true.

Russell checked just before 9.00.
Jane checked at around 9.15
Russell checked again at 9.30 and stayed at the apartment.
Jane then went to relieve him so that he could have his meal, and she stayed at the apartment.

 

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id136.html


Pamela Fenn, who resides on the residential block's first floor, above the apartment that was occupied by the McCann family, clarified that on the 1st of May 2007, two days before her disappearance, at around 10.30 p.m., she heard a child crying, which from the sound would be MADELEINE and that she cried for an hour and fifteen minutes, until her parents arrived, at around 11.57 p.m.

This shows that the parents were not persistently worried about their children [and] that they didn't check on them like they afterwards declared they did, rather neglecting their duty to guard those same children, although not in a temerarious, or gross, manner.


"they didn't check on them like they afterwards declared they did"

[Wonderfulspam]

Do NOT call me a liar.  I am quoting the PJ files.    THe individual statements back each other with very little discrepancy, well within the limits of normality.   And there is penty of backing by the waiters

An apology please. 

The quotation you give is made by a police force that is embarrassed at how badly they did.  It is called sour grapes.

The persons behind the FINAL REPORT cannot KNOW whether the time line is accurate or not.  THey were NOT there,   Everything ties fairly well and the waiters and Jez support it

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2866.0


Yep, there have been seven at 2 year intervals + one that failed just under 5 months before Madeleine was taken .... and that was only 18 miles (ish) away from PdL

They all fell in the north of Porto region, or in the PdL region .  That is 300 miles apart, but each group is quite tiny.

In the pdl region just before Madeleine
... a failed abduction under 5 months before Madeleine was taken, of a pretty little 5 3 year old,  blond haired girl called Carolina Santos was walked off in Silves
And that was just 18 miles away.  Think about it!


2 years 4 months prior to Carolina,  a fair haired pretty little seven year old girl, Joana Cipriano, was almost certainly taken from Figueira, just 7 miles away from PdL


So three pretty fair haired girls taken in a period of 2 years 8 months .  All within a distance of 18 miles from PDL

"THe individual statements back each other with very little discrepancy, well within the limits of normality."


Do they really sadie?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAVARES_ALMEIDA.htm

A report by Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida to the Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation

From the declarations of the group results a total incoherence, in the face of which it's obvious, that everyone lies.

The version that someone in the group that every 15 minutes or every 30 minutes went to the apartments to check if everything was alright falls down!



So sadie, where exactly is the proof of 7 abductions at 2 year intervals?

[Redblossom]

The FACTS about the NON abduction of Carolina Santos

The Sun for December 5, where two so-called journalists named Neil Syson and Veronica Lorraine wrote a story under the heading of "Hunt for copy-cat snatcher" saying that;
Blue-eyed blonde Carolina Santos, three, was snatched by a Moroccan-looking man four months before Maddie vanished ... Carolina's parents Abel and Lina offered to help cops two weeks after Maddie, four, disappeared but were never questioned. Now they will meet private detectives from Spanish agency Metodo 3, hired by Gerry and Kate McCann, both 39.
You actually have to read on to discover that actually the child wasn't snatched at all, as the parents of the child supposedly intervened before the worst happened, but still our dear friends Metodo 3 are quoted as having said "This could be relevant."

What this story is telling you is how crap the Portuguese police are for not following up this lead, and how busy Metodo 3 are being in tracking down this overlooked piece of evidence.

Article from the Diário de Notícias of May 25, 2007 (that's six months previously), telling us that;(link can be found through search archives)
A 30 years old man, from Morocco, threatened to kidnap the three year old daughter of a woman who rents a coffee-shop at Fonte de Luzeiros, between Silves and São Bartolomes de Messines." and that the "kidnap threat was made, last Tuesday".
See how there was no actual attempt at kidnapping Carolina Santos, only a threat, and that it all happened after Madeleine was snatched, not four months beforehand.

But, wait there's more. The Diário de Notícias goes on to say that the woman "filed a complaint with GNR from Silves the next day, and was contacted yesterday by investigators from Polícia Judiciária, to whom she told what happened." The newspaper then said that after "Talking with local residents" they "found that the man in question is a street seller and a well known trouble maker."

So far from "never being questioned" the family was questioned by both the GNR and the PJ, and what's more everyone knows who was responsible for causing the trouble in the first place.


http://steelmagnolia-steelmagnolia.blogspot.co.uk/2011/12/mccann-propaganda.html

[pathfinder73]

this is a myth, never happened

So a myth started about dumping a fridge before the McCann's were made arguidos in September. Strange so what date did the myth start? I thought it would be June/July time.

"Err the, I know that again, you know Kate and Gerry had had problems err with I think it was the blinds in their flat and the fridge and they’d had people in err you know into the flat, you know which obviously retrospectively was a concern as well. Err yeah that, you know who were those people, had they been checked out." (David Payne 11 April 2008)