Strange Witness Statements

[Victoria]

"After David left, Kate dressed and sat with the children, Madeleine on her lap. She was wearing a top, she doesn’t remember what colour it was, a green long-sleeved t-shirt, blue denim trousers. Sports shoes and white socks."

Wearing jeans?

"She says that the sofa (letter E) supposedly was against the side window, because she doesn’t remember anyone having gone behind it."

The crumpled curtain is unusual? Did the cleaner leave it like that or somebody else?

"Gerry was wearing blue denim trousers and sports shoes. She doesn’t remember what else he was wearing. She thinks that before she left she put on a cream coloured polar fleece with a zipper, and on top a blue raincoat, also with a zipper. Concerning Gerry, she doesn’t know if he put on any other clothing items."

Gerry was also wearing jeans?

Why are you worrying about whether or not they were wearing jeans?

[Wonderfulspam]

Why are you worrying about whether or not they were wearing jeans?

He's a fashion guru.

[pathfinder73]

Why are you worrying about whether or not they were wearing jeans?

He's a fashion guru.

Well said and here's my trouser fashion guru tips for Victoria

"He was wearing cream or beige-coloured cloth trousers in a classic cut in a cotton type of cloth." (Martin Smith)



Don't let any dogs play with these as they like to bite and bark at them

[pathfinder73]

Thursday 3 May

"The only other unexplained detail I remember from that morning was a large, brown stain I noticed on Madeleine’s pink Eeyore pyjama top. I couldn’t recall seeing it the night before and I had no idea how it might have got there. It looked like a tea stain. Gerry and I do drink quite a bit of tea, and Madeleine, too, would have the odd small cup. So at the time I just assumed it was a drink spillage that had escaped our attention, and that might well be all it was. But now, of course, we can no longer make assumptions about anything that can’t be accounted for."

Hypothesis - Madeleine didn't want it and spat the tea back out onto her pyjama top or was it something else that she spat back out?

[Benice]

Well said and here's my trouser fashion guru tips for Victoria

"He was wearing cream or beige-coloured cloth trousers in a classic cut in a cotton type of cloth." (Martin Smith)



Don't let any dogs play with these as they like to bite and bark at them

So why didn't Eddie alert to those items of clothing, or in fact any items of clothing, when he was searching the apartment where those items were in situ at the time he was conducting his search?       

If he could detect a scent from an item inside a car which apparently, (according to Grime) - was coming out from the bottom of a closed sealed door -  then detecting scent on clothing in drawers and cupboards should have been a walk in the park for him.  Don't you agree?

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[pathfinder73]

I honestly don't know but they separate all the clothes to do a proper search so it is done that way for a reason. I presume Eddie has to get really close to alert on clothes so a drawer full would be too far away and hard to tell if one piece of clothing out of many packed in a drawer would be positive or not. That's a guess so I don't know.

[sadie]

When talking about the buttons on the slacks.

So why didn't Eddie alert to those items of clothing, or in fact any items of clothing, when he was searching the apartment where those items were in situ at the time he was conducting his search?       

If he could detect a scent from an item inside a car which apparently, (according to Grime) - was coming out from the bottom of a closed sealed door -  then detecting scent on clothing in drawers and cupboards should have been a walk in the park for him.  Don't you agree?
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  What a brilliant observation, Benice.  SY could benefit from you !

[AnneGuedes]

 the bottom of a closed sealed door

Sealed ?

[sadie]

Sealed ?

Yep, of course it is sealed.  If it weren't sealed, it wou;d let the rain in.

[AnneGuedes]

Yep, of course it is sealed.  If it weren't sealed, it wou;d let the rain in.

Sealed means airtight and watertight. Car doors in use aren't sealed.

[Benice]

Sealed means airtight and watertight. Car doors in use aren't sealed.

With respect Ann I think you are nitpicking.   Grime uses the word 'seal' in his explanation of how Eddie came to alert at the car door.   

Car doors have rubber seals all round their interior to ensure the doors fit absolutely snugly when they are closed so that no water can get in.  Common sense dictates that it will be more difficult for odour to escape from such a securely closed car -  than from cupboards and drawers which have no seals whatsoever.     But I'm sure you already know that.

So the question still remains -  Why did Eddie fail to alert  to the items of clothing which were present at the time of his search at the villa -  but which he then later alerted to at the Gym after their removal by the PJ?

[AnneGuedes]

With respect Ann I think you are nitpicking.   Grime uses the word 'seal' in his explanation of how Eddie came to alert at the car door.   

Car doors have rubber seals all round their interior to ensure the doors fit absolutely snugly when they are closed so that no water can get in.  Common sense dictates that it will be more difficult for odour to escape from such a securely closed car -  than from cupboards and drawers which have no seals whatsoever.     But I'm sure you already know that.

So the question still remains -  Why did Eddie fail to alert  to the items of clothing which were present at the time of his search at the villa -  but which he then later alerted to at the Gym after their removal by the PJ?

I don't think I'm "nitpicking", I was just referring to the definition of "sealed". I can't remember Mr Grime saying the car door was sealed, but it doesn't matter.
What I know is that when a car falls into a river, water gets inside it mainly through the doors.

[AnneGuedes]

So the question still remains -  Why did Eddie fail to alert  to the items of clothing which were present at the time of his search at the villa -  but which he then later alerted to at the Gym after their removal by the PJ?

Benice, I'm not aware of a video or a description of Eddie being in the room where the items were kept and not alerting at all.

[Benice]

I don't think I'm "nitpicking", I was just referring to the definition of "sealed". I can't remember Mr Grime saying the car door was sealed, but it doesn't matter.
What I know is that when a car falls into a river, water gets inside it mainly through the doors.

Well I'm at a loss to understand what your point is if you are not nitpicking? 

To get back to the point - IMO if Eddie could detect a scent coming from inside a closed car which uses rubber seals to ensure the doors tightly fit when closed -   then detecting scent coming from not one but several different items of clothing - even if they were in cupboards or drawers which have no seals at all  -  should have been a simple task for him?   Don't you agree?

[AnneGuedes]

Well I'm at a loss to understand what your point is if you are not nitpicking? 

To get back to the point - IMO if Eddie could detect a scent coming from inside a closed car which uses rubber seals to ensure the doors tightly fit when closed -   then detecting scent coming from not one but several different items of clothing - even if they were in cupboards or drawers which have no seals at all  -  should have been a simple task for him?   Don't you agree?

I do indeed agree with that.
I understood the "nitpicking" was about the car door being "sealed".
In fact my first "sealed ?" was because you seemed to state that the car had been properly "sealed", which would of course prevent any detection by the dog.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.