Strange Witness Statements

[jassi]

Thanks I've just been reading her interview trying to find it but she says she never entered their apartment until after Madeleine had gone missing.

"I examined once again the declarations of Fiona Payne. In her depositions, she states that she went to the McCann apartment, around 19H00, on the 3rd of May, together with Kate. She states afterwards that, 10 minutes later, the husband arrived; it is not clear which husband she refers to."

 >@@(*&) How could she go to the apartment with Kate? The husband would be Gerry.

So, if she didn't enter the apartment until after Madeleine had disappeared, did she spend those 10 minutes outside?

Does she explain why she goes in the first place?

[pathfinder73]

I don't know but I would like to see the actual source because it's the first I've heard about it. But I do think something happened in the apartment to Madeleine between 6.30 to 7pm.

[AnneGuedes]

I've read something about that but can't find it. What time was that at? Didn't Kate not let her in to the apartment?

edited because already answered.

[AnneGuedes]

This is a mysterious episode. Why isn't the answered questionnaire among the PJ Files ? The questionnaire very likely had a part concerning the Gaspar statements, because the LC PO who sent his attempt of analysis of the Payne answers sent it with the Gaspar statements.

[jassi]

This is a mysterious episode. Why isn't the answered questionnaire among the PJ Files ? The questionnaire very likely had a part concerning the Gaspar statements, because the LC PO who sent his attempt of analysis of the Payne answers sent it with the Gaspar statements.

I hadn't realised that the LC had done any analysis, I thought they just forwarded the statements.

[Redblossom]

What is mysterious is why the gaspar statements were sent six months later but AT the request of the PJ? Who told the PJ these statements existed and so they asked for them? Six months later? The memo stated enclosed are the statements you requested or some such words.....

[AnneGuedes]

The only way that would make any sense would be if David was looking after the kids and Kate went to fetch Fiona and they came back together to the apartment. This would probably be for one reason - an accident had happened to Madeleine. But then you're bringing more people being involved which I can't conclude at present. I would like to see the actual source of that statement.

Unfortunately you'll never see it, it's in a box locked with seven keys at the LC.
I'm pretty sure that Mrs Payne, if an accident happened to Madeleine, was kept ignorant of it. She would never have revealed that Mrs McCann told at dinner that the sliding door-window left open for Madeleine to walk out.
I wouldn't bet the same about Mr Payne.
Perhaps Mrs Payne pretended to have been with Mr Payne to protect him, because they were aware of the Gaspar statement when they answered the questionnaire.

[jassi]

Unfortunately you'll never see it, it's in a box locked with seven keys at the LC.
I'm pretty sure that Mrs Payne, if an accident happened to Madeleine, was kept ignorant of it. She would never have revealed that Mrs McCann told at dinner that the sliding door-window left open for Madeleine to walk out.
I wouldn't bet the same about Mr Payne.
Perhaps Mrs Payne pretended to have been with Mr Payne to protect him, because they were aware of the Gaspar statement when they answered the questionnaire.

This could, of course, be a complete fiction and no such conversation took place at that time.

[pathfinder73]

Unfortunately you'll never see it, it's in a box locked with seven keys at the LC.
I'm pretty sure that Mrs Payne, if an accident happened to Madeleine, was kept ignorant of it. She would never have revealed that Mrs McCann told at dinner that the sliding door-window left open for Madeleine to walk out.
I wouldn't bet the same about Mr Payne.
Perhaps Mrs Payne pretended to have been with Mr Payne to protect him, because they were aware of the Gaspar statement when they answered the questionnaire.

Thanks that's a pain I can't see it. I go along with you on Fiona. David Payne is the only one who has puzzled me. He is hard to make out. He was there at 6.30 which is an important time for me in the case - that 6.30-7pm period. He didn't know what Kate was wearing. According to her a towel - BIG DISCREPANCY ALERT. His statements like Gerry never had a tennis bag that he could hide a racket in. Maybe you did Dave. He stopped Kate talking to that social worker etc. At present I don't believe he was involved but he is the only one that is puzzling. I will have to read his full interview in fine detail but thinking about it gives me a sore head   

[Redblossom]

This could, of course, be a complete fiction and no such conversation took place at that time.

That convo was stated in all three rgatory interviews of fiona jane and rachel though

[jassi]

That convo was stated in all three rgatory interviews of fiona jane and rachel though

Yes, but these statements were made long after the event and after the Rothley Towers summit.

[AnneGuedes]

This could, of course, be a complete fiction and no such conversation took place at that time.

Why telling something that gives an image of irresponsible parents (at least Mr McCann).

[Redblossom]

Yes, but these statements were made long after the event and after the Rothley Towers summit.

True....just more headache stuff isnt it.....there is somethng rotten in this case thats for sure....

Oh and lets not forget those statements of kates mates contradict what she said in tv...that if maddie had not been abducted maddies comment that morning wouldnt have passed her mind agan...but it did...as she told those friends at dinner.....BEFORE she foundmaddie missing...how to explain that?.any "pros" want a stab?

[AnneGuedes]

I will have to read his full interview in fine detail but thinking about it gives me a sore head   

Any of those interviews gives you a sore head. The LC put it on the account of emotion. I don't think a Lee Rainbow would have.

[jassi]

Why telling something that gives an image of irresponsible parents (at least Mr McCann).

Unless it was an attempt to distract from something else.