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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #420 on: February 01, 2014, 01:20:59 PM »
No you're totally wrong. Gerry left at 6pm for tennis. They had decided not to take them out before 6pm because of tiredness then at 6.30 Gerry sends DP over to help Kate take them out.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #421 on: February 01, 2014, 10:23:32 PM »
At this moment, the witness wishes to clarify that, in England, anyone who works with children, whether a doctor, police officer or social worker, has to have a proper credential certified by the police and that this was one of the documents she showed to the McCanns.

Because she found it strange that Kate told her that her daughter had been taken by a couple, she tried to separate her from the other two individuals so that she could speak to her with more privacy, suggesting to Kate that they (Y and K) should enter the apartment, Kate aggressively rejected this idea and told her that they could speak on the street.

The witness then asked whether anyone from the Medical Centre had been with Kate as she was very agitated and needed some support, she was told they hadn't.

At this point, Kate told her that her daughter had disappeared 13 hours ago. It was about 10 in the morning.

Yvonne Martin
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #422 on: February 04, 2014, 11:40:28 AM »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #423 on: February 06, 2014, 12:09:09 AM »
@pathfinder re that video its easy enough IMO to work out who KM was attempting to contact.
This is IMO to do with bookings for tapas, trying IMO to speak to the person who did tapas bookings.
(BTW this is an innocent person desperately trying to work out what happened IMO)

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #424 on: February 24, 2014, 08:04:49 PM »
British witnesses: 'We saw two blond men on balcony next to Madeleine apartment'

Two British sisters gave a dramatic account of a pair of strangers watching the Ocean Club pool and tapas bar hours before Madeleine McCann vanished.

In an exclusive interview, Jayne Jensen and Annie Wiltshire told how they saw two blond men in their 30s, standing on the balcony of an empty apartment only a couple of doors away from the McCanns' flat in Praia da Luz.

The women met police three times within 24 hours, tried to find out who the strangers were themselves and made several follow-up phone calls to the authorities.

But it was not until six weeks ago that a formal statement was finally taken.

The two women, both divorcees from Maidstone, Kent, spent 11 hours with British police officers providing details of their evidence and later met private detectives from Metodo 3, the agency employed by the McCanns to find their daughter.

They intended to remain anonymous but when their names were leaked to a Portuguese newspaper and they found themselves wrongly accused of waiting eight months before coming forward, they decided to reveal the truth.

The sisters said they were immediately struck by the behaviour of the two men on the balcony.

The pair, tanned and in Bermuda shorts, were standing outside the patio doors of a groundfloor apartment, which had been unoccupied all week, and were looking out over the resort's family swimming pool and restaurant area.

Mrs Wiltshire, 58, a mother of two, said: "It was odd because I hadn't seen them before. In May the resort wasn't busy.

{1}"There were only about 60 of us staying in the apartments and you got to recognise all the other people.

"One of the guys was walking down the steps and as I looked at him, he walked back up and started talking to the other one.

"They had a view of the whole Ocean Club and the McCanns' apartment. It just showed how easy it would be for anyone to use those balconies to watch the area. It has haunted me ever since."

That evening - May 3 - Madeleine disappeared from her bed as her parents, Gerry and Kate ate dinner with seven friends in the tapas bar.

The sisters, who helped search for the child that night, went to police the next day to report the sighting of the strangers and their concerns.

Mrs Wiltshire, who went on holiday with her sister to recover from a cancer operation, said: "The theory is that Madeleine could have been targeted. This story proves how easily it could have been done but the Portuguese police were not interested.

"It makes you wonder if there are more of us out there who have tried and not succeeded in reporting things they saw but have given up.

"They might not have been as persistent and tenacious as us but we were determined to get the information to the police somehow."

The two women had been in Praia da Luz for a week before the McCanns - Gerry, Kate, three-year-old Madeleine and two-year-old twins Sean and Amelie - arrived with a party of doctors for a short break.

Mrs Jensen and her sister were in the same daily tennis coaching group as Mr McCann. It was organised by Mark Warner, the tour operator which manages the Ocean Club complex.

"We never met Kate," Mrs Jensen said. "And we never socialised with Gerry. We just played tennis."

On the evening of May 3, the sisters ate in the same tapas restaurant as the McCann party.

Neither of them remembers the doctors being rowdy or drinking heavily that night, as other witnesses have suggested.

Mrs Jensen, a bar manager, said: "They were not noisy or dominating the restaurant. They were just a party of friends enjoying a meal."

The sisters finished their dinner and left to walk down into the village for a nightcap.

"We were on the way to the bar when we heard the hue and cry about a missing child," added Mrs Jensen.

"The Mark Warner staff were being called on their phones and everyone thought it was a child who had wandered out of her room, looking for her parents.

"Apparently it had happened before and there was a drill they carried out. I left Annie in the bar and came back up to the apartments to see if I could help. It was only then I realised the scale of the search.

"I went straight into the creche area and checked the play area and Wendy House but found nothing."

"It was hideous when we realised that the little girl had not been found. It really began to hit home that something horrible had happened.

"I thought maybe she had fallen down a manhole, or hit her head. I didn't think she had been taken at that point and we helped search bins and scrubland."

As they and the other holidaymakers combed the area, Mrs Jensen met another member of her tennis coaching group, TV producer Jez Wilkins.

"Jez told me it was Gerry's daughter we were looking for. I hadn't realised before that moment.

"Jez said that he knew Gerry had checked the children because he had met him coming back from the apartment."

As the hours passed without any sighting of Madeleine, Mrs Wiltshire became increasingly concerned about the strangers she had seen the day before.

She said: "I didn't know if it was significant or not but I needed to tell the police in case it helped.

"I got a member of Mark Warner's staff to get a policeman to come and see me and told two officers about the men I had seen.

"I told them they were blond and one had curly hair. One was stockier than the other and they had obviously just opened the gate and walked up to the balcony.

"I showed the policemen the balcony and as I was explaining the circumstances, Robert Murat appeared and started translating for me."

When Mrs Jensen got home, she made a number of calls to police and Crimestoppers. She gave them an outline of the sightings and was told someone would call her back but nobody did.

In September, the two women went back to Praia da Luz to try to make direct contact with the McCanns but as they arrived, Kate and Gerry were made official suspects and left to return to Britain.

The sisters admit they might have let things go at that point but the constant mention of Madeleine in the press kept nagging at them.

In desperation they finally e-mailed the McCanns' spokesman, Clarence Mitchell and told him what they knew.

Within days, they were contacted by Leicestershire police who apologised for the delay and sent an officer round to interview them.

"They were there for 11 hours, finishing at midnight and we finally got to sign a statement," added Mrs Jensen.

"All we wanted was to get the information to the right people. It is just ridiculous that no one would help us."

A spokesman for the McCanns said: "We remain extremely grateful to Annie and Jayne for making the efforts they have to get their information to us.

"They have been trying since day one and have only wanted to help Kate and Gerry find Madeleine.

"They are utterly credible witnesses and we are very grateful to them."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-504950/British-witnesses-We-saw-blond-men-balcony-Madeleine-apartment.html
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #425 on: February 24, 2014, 08:25:58 PM »
Ms N Irwin, Ms B Irwin

MO May 10th
By the way, he denied that at any time did any individuals named IRWIN form part of the table, refuting equally that he had made the acquaintance of anyone so named.

GM May 10th
States that on Thursday, 03/05/07, there was no one by the name of IRWIN sitting at the table nor does he know anyone with that name.
Asked, he mentions that on Thursday, 3 May 2007, there was nobody from outside of the group seated at the table, nor does he know any person with the name IRWIN.

Jane Tanner
On these holidays, she never met nor dined (along with the rest of the group) with any family or person having the surname "Irwin".

RO
----- Questioned, she said that on Thursday, 03/05/2007, there was no body sitting at the table, strange to the group, and she does not know anyone with the name "IRWIN."



No statements in released files from the following Tapas diners?

EDMONDS

MANN

BULLER

IRWIN

SPERREY

PATELL

COX
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #426 on: February 24, 2014, 08:33:36 PM »
Mr M SPERREY

Rasta Man  ?>)()<

In the main reception (open 24h) of the Ocean Club, the signatory [undersigned] was able to observe a person with long hair, curly, blonde in colour, with camouflage shorts and green sweat-shirt, which fit the description of the suspect of the "Rastas", it being that I questioned the receptionist about him, who said that this individual and his wife are guests in the hotel and he has been tireless, since yesterday, in search of the missing girl. Attached are photocopies of their passports as well as the hotel registration form.


[The very last paragraph of my translation of pages 121-125 in /PJ/TAPAS-EMPLOYEES.htm states that they are passport copies of the person identified as the man with 'Rasta' hairstyle, camouflage shorts and green sweat-shirt (taken to be the person seen by Jez Wilkins per his witness statement), and his wife. They were resort guests. I have no reference to a formal witness statement from them on file, merely the above identification to eliminate them from the inquiry.]


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAPAS-EMPLOYEES.htm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAGE_ORDER.htm


« Last Edit: February 24, 2014, 08:43:22 PM by Wonderfulspam »
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #427 on: February 24, 2014, 08:44:12 PM »
Thanks. Michael Sperrey. Didn't Carpenter say he was Gerry's surfer buddy?

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Mr N Berry, Mrs E Berry, Miss J Berry(4), Infant G Berry(14m
Mr G MacKenzie, Mrs C MacKenzie, Infant C MacKenzie(18m).................Gatwick
Mr M Handy, Mrs G Downie, Miss I Handy(2).......................................Gatwick
Guest List 2..p 335
Mr R Mann, Mrs L Mann, Master A Mann(3).........................................Gatwick
Mr R Balu, Miss N Cox, Infant Z Balu(17m)
Mr A Heselton, Mrs S Heselton, Miss K Heselton(2)...............................Gatwick
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Mr C Burlton, Mrs C Upton-Brown, Infant G Burlton(13m)........................Gatwick
Mr M Janczur, Mrs M Janczur, Master A Janczur(2), Infant ??????(7m)
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Mr P Weinburger, Mrs J Weinburger, Miss E Weinburger(3), Infant T (11m)
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Mr M Carroll, Ms D Bullen, Master O Carroll(2)
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline VIXTE

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #428 on: February 27, 2014, 10:58:35 PM »
Just adding this because I've never seen it before

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One thing I've just seen in Kate's book that I don't remember ever seeing before:

"4 May

A lady from an apartment across Rua Dr Gentil Martins, overlooking our little side gate, came over to speak to us. She said that the previous night she had seen a car going up the Rocha Negra - the black, volcanic cliff that dominates the village. There was a track leading to Rocha Negra, but nobody noticed any vehicle that far up in the day time, let alone in night..... I went to tell one of the police officers who was able to speak a little English. He was quite dissmissive. It would have been one of GNR men checking the area, he said."

Offline pegasus

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #429 on: February 27, 2014, 11:25:27 PM »
Reply to Vixte's post re KM book
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"4 May
A lady from an apartment across Rua Dr Gentil Martins, overlooking our little side gate, came over to speak to us. She said that the previous night she had seen a car going up the Rocha Negra - the black, volcanic cliff that dominates the village. There was a track leading to Rocha Negra, but nobody noticed any vehicle that far up in the day time, let alone in night..... I went to tell one of the police officers who was able to speak a little English. He was quite dissmissive. It would have been one of GNR men checking the area, he said."
In the files there is no statement by this lady.
Maybe police should even now find (easy because name is in files) and ask this lady exactly what time she saw the vehicle on the big hill?
This lady had visitors who left at 21:58 exactly so has a good reference timepoint and therefore will certainly be able to remember when she saw the vehicle on the big hill with good accuracy. After 21:58 ?  Or before 21:58 ?
« Last Edit: February 27, 2014, 11:29:54 PM by pegasus »

Offline VIXTE

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #430 on: February 27, 2014, 11:30:45 PM »
Reply to Vixte's post re KM bookIn the files there is no statement by this lady.
Maybe police should even now find (easy because name is in files) and ask this lady exactly what time she saw the vehicle on the big hill?
This lady had visitors who left at 21:58 so has a good reference timepoint and therefore will certainly be able to remember when she saw the vehicle on the big hill with good accuracy. After 21:58 ?  Or before 21:58 ?

Great idea!
This is very curious!
Can you point me out at her statement in the files?
Has she described the car, i.e. small, big, black, white?
Has the GNR officer been there?

EDIT: Sorry I thought there WAS a statement in the files? How come there is her name but no statement? How do you know about the visitors?
« Last Edit: February 27, 2014, 11:33:33 PM by VIXTE »

AnneGuedes

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Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #431 on: February 27, 2014, 11:39:54 PM »
Reply to Vixte's post re KM bookIn the files there is no statement by this lady.
Maybe police should even now find (easy because name is in files) and ask this lady exactly what time she saw the vehicle on the big hill?
This lady had visitors who left at 21:58 exactly so has a good reference timepoint and therefore will certainly be able to remember when she saw the vehicle on the big hill with good accuracy. After 21:58 ?  Or before 21:58 ?
Where please, Pegasus ?

Redblossom

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Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #432 on: February 27, 2014, 11:42:45 PM »

Offline pegasus

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #433 on: February 27, 2014, 11:55:42 PM »
Yes IMO the lady, who told KM about seeing a vehicle going up the big hill that night, is MMH who was visited by MMMdS.
MMH will certainly be able to give a fairly accurate time for the vehicle on hill, because she has that 21:58 actual clock reading as a reference point.
« Last Edit: February 28, 2014, 12:02:59 AM by pegasus »

Offline VIXTE

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #434 on: February 28, 2014, 12:10:46 AM »
Thank you.

Since Kate has this in her book I believe it was passed to the detectives.. strange no one else has seen a car going towards Rocha Negra ..but I guess because PDL is a small village-town and it has no local TV then PJ had no ways of making announcements.. or asking people for help? Maybe they should have used radio?