Strange Witness Statements

[Brietta]

Your only source is amaral's book of lies.....

From a post by Carana  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2123.msg70106#msg70106

From an interview:

Exclusive Interview with Gonçalo Amaral: Cadaver was frozen or was kept in the cold

24 July 2008

(...)

“The cadaver was frozen”

Correio da Manhã - What do you think happened to the body?

Gonçalo Amaral – Everything indicated that the body, after having been at a certain location, was moved into another location by car, twenty something days later. With the residues that were found inside the car, the little girl had to have been transported inside it.

How can you state that?

Due to the type of fluid, we policemen, experts, say that the cadaver was frozen or preserved in the cold and when placed into the car boot, with the heat at that time [of the year], part of the ice melted. On a curb, for example, something fell from the trunk’s right side, above the wheel. It may be said that this is speculation, but it’s the only way to explain what happened there.

http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t1466-cadaver-was-frozen-or-kept-in-the-cold-interview-with-goncalo-amaral


From another interview:

"The little girl died in that apartment" - Gonçalo Amaral on TVI, broadcast live on 28 July 2008

A: The reports from the English labs… the English reports arrive shortly before the questionings that were scheduled. And it contained certain conclusions, if they thought they were inconclusive they shouldn't have mentioned it, the question of the 15 alleles in a profile of 19 from the little girl, stating that they match Madeleine McCann, but they also say that it could have been a construction let's say from various donors, from other persons, a contamination could have produced Madeleine McCann's profile by coincidence. But there are no excuses for saying that it is not from Madeleine McCann because they held the profiles of the father, the mother, the siblings, therefore there are no doubts that at least within that family they only matched Madeleine McCann's.



Sheer and utter balderdash written by someone with absolutely no understanding of the necessity for truth and accuracy in what is meant to be a definitive book written by the chief investigator into the sensitive case of a missing child.

He demonstrates clearly that he doesn't even possess rudimentary knowledge of forensics or DNA.  This is the book which was a best seller and the content actually believed by its readers.

I don't think that there is anything stranger than a man capable of such ignorance being in charge of Madeleine McCann's case.

[Benice]

Which is precisely what you do each day on here.

Please provide your proof that the McCanns have not been investigated by SY.

[Mr Gray]

From a post by Carana  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2123.msg70106#msg70106

From an interview:

Exclusive Interview with Gonçalo Amaral: Cadaver was frozen or was kept in the cold

24 July 2008

(...)

“The cadaver was frozen”

Correio da Manhã - What do you think happened to the body?

Gonçalo Amaral – Everything indicated that the body, after having been at a certain location, was moved into another location by car, twenty something days later. With the residues that were found inside the car, the little girl had to have been transported inside it.

How can you state that?

Due to the type of fluid, we policemen, experts, say that the cadaver was frozen or preserved in the cold and when placed into the car boot, with the heat at that time [of the year], part of the ice melted. On a curb, for example, something fell from the trunk’s right side, above the wheel. It may be said that this is speculation, but it’s the only way to explain what happened there.

http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t1466-cadaver-was-frozen-or-kept-in-the-cold-interview-with-goncalo-amaral


From another interview:

"The little girl died in that apartment" - Gonçalo Amaral on TVI, broadcast live on 28 July 2008

A: The reports from the English labs… the English reports arrive shortly before the questionings that were scheduled. And it contained certain conclusions, if they thought they were inconclusive they shouldn't have mentioned it, the question of the 15 alleles in a profile of 19 from the little girl, stating that they match Madeleine McCann, but they also say that it could have been a construction let's say from various donors, from other persons, a contamination could have produced Madeleine McCann's profile by coincidence. But there are no excuses for saying that it is not from Madeleine McCann because they held the profiles of the father, the mother, the siblings, therefore there are no doubts that at least within that family they only matched Madeleine McCann's.



Sheer and utter balderdash written by someone with absolutely no understanding of the necessity for truth and accuracy in what is meant to be a definitive book written by the chief investigator into the sensitive case of a missing child.

He demonstrates clearly that he doesn't even possess rudimentary knowledge of forensics or DNA.  This is the book which was a best seller and the content actually believed by its readers.

I don't think that there is anything stranger than a man capable of such ignorance being in charge of Madeleine McCann's case.

amaral didn't understand the basics...as we are talking about LCN DNA...If I shook hands with someone who then got on a plane....my dna could be found on the handle of a hotel room in Australia the following day

[stephen25000]

Please provide your proof that the McCanns have not been investigated by SY.

We have been through this before.

There has been no statement from SY that they have.

However, they advertised in advance, when they were interviewing others.

[Mr Gray]

We have been through this before.

There has been no statement from SY that they have.

However, they advertised in advance, when they were interviewing others.

So no proof

[stephen25000]

So no proof

Yes, there is no proof they interviewed the mccanns and co.

[Carana]

Palmer didn't do that test on the hair. Here's the report:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/A_L_PALMER.htm

Thanks, I've read the report.

But what specific test didn't he do that could have been done?

AFAIK, there are two types of hair analysis: microscopic and DNA.

He's a top forensic specialist. How does anyone think he worked out which hairs might conceivably have belonged to Madeleine? And if there were only a few that could be observed to have even a tiny amount of root worth attempting a DNA test? Holding them up to a naked light bulb... or just possibly using a microscope?

If he had examined them under a microscope and there had been suspicious signs, are you saying that he wouldn't have pointed it out in his report? Or are you saying that Amaral is accusing him of incompetence?

Here:
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/lab/forensic-science-communications/fsc/july2000/deedric1.htm

[Benice]

We have been through this before.

There has been no statement from SY that they have.

However, they advertised in advance, when they were interviewing others.

Your claim that the McCanns have not been investigated by SY is a serious one IMO.  In missing child cases the parents/family of the child are automatically investigated in order to rule them in or out of the enquiry right at the beginning.

If you are claiming as a fact that in this case those normal and crucial procedures were ignored by SY then you need to provide evidence to back up your claim.    Saying there has been no statement from SY is not evidence - as SY are under no obligation whatsoever to keep the public informed of the measures they have taken as part of this investigation.

Common sense alone dictates that SY would want to be completely satisfied that the McCanns in particular - were credible witnesses and that there was nothing in their history/backgrounds to suggest otherwise.   The nature of their behaviour/demeanour after May 3rd would be available from the FLO's, the trauma specialists etc. etc. who spent a lot of time with them.

I do not believe that SY blythely took the McCanns word for it that they were not involved in their daughte'rs disappearance.   That is not how professional police investigations into missing child cases work.

Common sense please Stephen.

[pathfinder73]

Thanks, I've read the report.

But what specific test didn't he do that could have been done?

AFAIK, there are two types of hair analysis: microscopic and DNA.

He's a top forensic specialist. How does anyone think he worked out which hairs might conceivably have belonged to Madeleine? And if there were only a few that could be observed to have even a tiny amount of root worth attempting a DNA test? Holding them up to a naked light bulb... or just possibly using a microscope?

If he had examined them under a microscope and there had been suspicious signs, that he wouldn't have pointed it out in his report?

Here:
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/lab/forensic-science-communications/fsc/july2000/deedric1.htm

We want to know two things: if the hair is indeed Madeleine’s, and if it comes from a living or a dead person. The FSS can only answer the first question. English colleagues present at the meeting raise the possibility of the hair being sent to other European laboratories which have the resources to clear up the second point for us: hair from a living or a dead person. (TOTL)

[pathfinder73]

Your claim that the McCanns have not been investigated by SY is a serious one IMO.  In missing child cases the parents/family of the child are automatically investigated in order to rule them in or out of the enquiry right at the beginning.

If you are claiming as a fact that in this case those normal and crucial procedures were ignored by SY then you need to provide evidence to back up your claim.    Saying there has been no statement from SY is not evidence - as SY are under no obligation whatsoever to keep the public informed of the measures they have taken as part of this investigation.

Common sense alone dictates that SY would want to be completely satisfied that the McCanns in particular - were credible witnesses and that there was nothing in their history/backgrounds to suggest otherwise.   The nature of their behaviour/demeanour after May 3rd would be available from the FLO's, the trauma specialists etc. etc. who spent a lot of time with them.

I do not believe that SY blythely took the McCanns word for it that they were not involved in their daughte'rs disappearance.   That is not how professional police investigations into missing child cases work.

Common sense please Stephen.

Police don't make you suspects until they've got evidence.

[Brietta]

We want to know two things: if the hair is indeed Madeleine’s, and if it comes from a living or a dead person. The FSS can only answer the first question. English colleagues present at the meeting raise the possibility of the hair being sent to other European laboratories which have the resources to clear up the second point for us: hair from a living or a dead person. (TOTL)

Pathfinder ... I think the only thing that is achieved by quoting from Mr Amarals book is proving how obtuse the man is and his total disregard for anything which didn't fit with his interpretation of events.

[pathfinder73]

Pathfinder ... I think the only thing that is achieved by quoting from Mr Amarals book is proving how obtuse the man is and his total disregard for anything which didn't fit with his interpretation of events.

I find it astonishing that test has never been done. You would expect to find hair from a living person in the boot. Does anyone disagree?

[Brietta]

Police don't make you suspects until they've got evidence.

The Drs McCann were constituted arguido days before that requirement became law in Portugal ... for the simple reason there never was any evidence against them.

[Alice Purjorick]

Pathfinder ... I think the only thing that is achieved by quoting from Mr Amarals book is proving how obtuse the man is and his total disregard for anything which didn't fit with his interpretation of events.

Pretty much the same as any other "amazing revelations" book then?

[Carana]

We want to know two things: if the hair is indeed Madeleine’s, and if it comes from a living or a dead person. The FSS can only answer the first question. English colleagues present at the meeting raise the possibility of the hair being sent to other European laboratories which have the resources to clear up the second point for us: hair from a living or a dead person. (TOTL)

Amaral "forgets" to mention that Corte Real visited the FSS...

When you manage to demonstrate to me that Amaral had any understanding of forensics then perhaps we can examine what kind of amazing test would have been available at the time, beyond a microscope, to discover any post-mortem signs.

In order to ascertain whether there was even a tiny amount of root worth sending off for DNA would require a miscrospic examination. Proximal banding, if and when it occurs, shows - as the term indicates - near the root - and tiny amounts of root was what Lowe was also looking for, once other potential hairs had been discarded.

I have read that post-mortem hairs can have features other than proximal banding, but I can't find it at the moment. Whatever it was, it concerned details visible under a microscope as well.