Strange Witness Statements

[mercury]

Oldfield wondered where Madeleine's bed was but didn't stick his head round the door to check but instead went to look inside the parents' bedroom to see if Madeleine was sleeping there, what an odd thing to do

Funny people

[pathfinder73]

Oldfield wondered where Madeleine's bed was but didn't stick his head round the door to check but instead went to look inside the parents' bedroom to see if Madeleine was sleeping there, what an odd thing to do

Funny people

If you turned around from here and the door was open you could also see the parents bedroom window.

[mercury]

I was commenting on Oldfield's odd behaviour having gone indoors to do a check but failing to do so, but


If the cadaver dog was correct, Madeleine was in the parents' bedroom, would also explain the verandah outside it being alerted to as well...as Grime says Pegasus, you can't wash it away,so rain or wind wouldn't alter much, would it?

[pathfinder73]

I was commenting on Oldfield's odd behaviour having gone indoors to do a check but failing to do so, but


If the cadaver dog was correct, Madeleine was in the parents' bedroom, would also explain the verandah outside it being alerted to as well...as Grime says Pegasus, you can't wash it away,so rain or wind wouldn't alter much, would it?

Eddie was only interested in the parent's bedroom side of the balcony. One smart dog

[pegasus]

Matt Oldfield first statement 4 May 2007



See my theory thread for details.

Operate strap upwards as far as it will go, and you get closed shutter allowing no light through.Now pull strap down a little and it separates slats to reveal holes which let some light through the closed shutter. Pull strap down further and it starts to open shutter. Clever design.

[pegasus]

I was commenting on Oldfield's odd behaviour having gone indoors to do a check but failing to do so, but


If the cadaver dog was correct, Madeleine was in the parents' bedroom, would also explain the verandah outside it being alerted to as well...as Grime says Pegasus, you can't wash it away,so rain or wind wouldn't alter much, would it?

Reading his interviews, Amaral's hypothesis would possibly answer lounge at that point?
But then IMO his hypothesis offers no real rationale at all for bedroom and garden.
And that means it's both illogical and incomplete IMO.

[mercury]

Reading his interviews, Amaral's hypothesis would possibly answer lounge at that point?
But then IMO his hypothesis offers no real rationale at all for bedroom and garden.
And that means it's both illogical and incomplete IMO.

Sorry, I didn't understand most of that but besides, Amarals's hypothesis may not be relevant 100 per cent

[sadie]

I was commenting on Oldfield's odd behaviour having gone indoors to do a check but failing to do so, but


If the cadaver dog was correct, Madeleine was in the parents' bedroom, would also explain the verandah outside it being alerted to as well...as Grime says Pegasus, you can't wash it away,so rain or wind wouldn't alter much, would it?

Still conveniently forgetting that Eddie alerted to living scents as well as the scents associated with cadavars , are you ?

[pathfinder73]

Still conveniently forgetting that Eddie alerted to living scents as well as the scents associated with cadavars , are you ?

What about the death scent the dog in the Zapata case alerted to? The case the McCanns were looking to use for evidence that cadaver dogs were unreliable. Shame he later confessed  and proved the dog was right A body can be moved from the underground cellar but the dog may still alert to the contaminated scent many years later and there were underground chambers discovered in Jersey.

[sadie]

What about the death scent the dog in the Zapata case alerted to? The case the McCanns were looking to use for evidence that cadaver dogs were unreliable. Shame he later confessed  and proved the dog was right A body can be moved from the underground cellar but the dog may still alert to the contaminated scent many years later and there were underground chambers discovered in Jersey.

Eddie was trained for living and cadavar scents.   Maybe this Zapata dog was solely trained for cadavar odour?


Your analogy does not work in this case Pfinder, because of Eddies past training looking for living people.

Soz

[Mr Gray]

The thread is strange witness statements I believe

[pathfinder73]

Eddie was trained for living and cadavar scents.   Maybe this Zapata dog was solely trained for cadavar odour?


Your analogy does not work in this case Pfinder, because of Eddies past training looking for living people.

Soz

You are wrong so give it up Sadie. SY are using the same dogs (Tito & Muzzy) that also alert to blood like Eddie. Name some cases where Eddie has found a living missing person? Eddie and Keela are used to find evidence in possible missing people murder cases.

Tito and Muzzy handler Sally Richards said recently: “They are trained to find anything from tiny specks of blood which are hard for the human eye to see to a full-sized victim, and everything in between.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-search-april-jones-3642420#ixzz33lYYLilY

“But with missing people and murder cases, we know we’re giving people closure. You know that person or body may not have been recovered if it wasn’t for the work that the team put in. With murder cases, it’s about finding evidence that could otherwise have been missed,” said Pc Newman.

Pc Williams said: “It’s a sense of determination to get justice for the family. All of us have a quiet sense of determination. Sometimes you find yourself up to your knees in mud, you have been there for hours but what keeps you going is finding or getting closure for the family.”

As well as working on cases local to their Bridgend base, they have also been asked to go abroad. They have been involved in the most recent search for missing schoolgirl Madeleine McCann.

All four of the team went to Portugal in June last year, working with the Metropolitan Police.

But what is it that makes these springer spaniels so skilled? Partly, it’s because their olfactory glands - in their noses - are 400 times more powerful than a human’s.

Pc Newman said: “The dogs are tasked with looking for evidence which can be a minuscule piece of evidence like a blood drop which is pin-prick sized.”

That could be in a search area which is small - for example a room in a house - or miles and miles of land.

When the dogs find something of interest, they are trained to freeze.

PC Sally Richards and Tito searching for a human tooth. Part of Crime Scene and Victim Recovery Dog Unit, South Wales Police Dog Section, Waterton Cross, Bridgend.


And the dogs? “They come to work to play, they have the best job a dog could have,” says Sgt Patterson.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/meet-badger-spud-muzzy-tito-8460918

[sadie]

You are wrong so give it up Sadie. SY are using the same dogs (Tito & Muzzy) that also alert to blood like Eddie. Name some cases where Eddie has found a living missing person? Eddie and Keela are used to find evidence in possible missing people murder cases.

Tito and Muzzy handler Sally Richards said recently: “They are trained to find anything from tiny specks of blood which are hard for the human eye to see to a full-sized victim, and everything in between.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-search-april-jones-3642420#ixzz33lYYLilY

“But with missing people and murder cases, we know we’re giving people closure. You know that person or body may not have been recovered if it wasn’t for the work that the team put in. With murder cases, it’s about finding evidence that could otherwise have been missed,” said Pc Newman.

Pc Williams said: “It’s a sense of determination to get justice for the family. All of us have a quiet sense of determination. Sometimes you find yourself up to your knees in mud, you have been there for hours but what keeps you going is finding or getting closure for the family.”

As well as working on cases local to their Bridgend base, they have also been asked to go abroad. They have been involved in the most recent search for missing schoolgirl Madeleine McCann.

All four of the team went to Portugal in June last year, working with the Metropolitan Police.

But what is it that makes these springer spaniels so skilled? Partly, it’s because their olfactory glands - in their noses - are 400 times more powerful than a human’s.

Pc Newman said: “The dogs are tasked with looking for evidence which can be a minuscule piece of evidence like a blood drop which is pin-prick sized.”

That could be in a search area which is small - for example a room in a house - or miles and miles of land.

When the dogs find something of interest, they are trained to freeze.

PC Sally Richards and Tito searching for a human tooth. Part of Crime Scene and Victim Recovery Dog Unit, South Wales Police Dog Section, Waterton Cross, Bridgend.


And the dogs? “They come to work to play, they have the best job a dog could have,” says Sgt Patterson.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/meet-badger-spud-muzzy-tito-8460918

We are not talking about Tito and Miuzzy.  We were talking about Eddie.  Please do NOT twist the words to obfuscate.

Eddie is the dog that alerted in the Mccann case in the early days.

As you well know Eddie was trained first to alert to living persons and their scents. 

Dogs cannot be detrained.  Eddie will always alert to living persons and their scents.   He will also alert to his newer training of finding Cadavar scents.


Anything that Eddie alerts to could be living odour or it could be the scent of death.



No forensics .. so


... We just dont know which it was ... a living scent ... a cadavar scent .... or a pork scent [cos he was trained on pork]


You cannot hang, draw and quarter the Mccanns on such non evidence.  And on such propaganda.

[G-Unit]

Is there anything which tells us Eddie was trained to find living people? I keep asking because i can't find anything saying that.

[Alfred R Jones]

Is there anything which tells us Eddie was trained to find living people? I keep asking because i can't find anything saying that.

Was he not a Victim Recovery Dog?  Does "victim"= dead body?