Madeleine McCann Press coverage - Was it a Saviour or a Damnation?

[G-Unit]

it's a statement...the principle I am referring to is Blackstone's Formulation

Nevertheless the innocent are convicted.

[Alice Purjorick]

it's a statement...the principle I am referring to is Blackstone's Formulation

Is that Edmund Blackstone the Bow Street Runner?

[Eleanor]

Topic Please.  Deletions coming up.

[mercury]

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Three successive governments have helped the McCanns conceal Madeleine's untimely death in suspicious circumstances for over seven years. What on earth happened to that poor three year old?

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That is just a snippet of the group's résumé, its raison d'être based mainly on the myths propagated by the (Portuguese) media and ex-lead detective.
 Supporters of the abduction theory are not permitted to join in the debate, often finding themselves ejected into the abyss towards the bowels of Facebook.

As I thought here. No proof that thousands of people believe there were "bodily fluids swishng around the car" or whatever the words used earlier were by Britta, because some in that group might. Further, being a member of a  facebook or other group does not automatically mean you agree with everything anyone in it might believe, or even ther "headline tags". 

I would check the facebook site if I could be bothered, but I cannot, as it needs a login name and I am not a member.

[mercury]

Of course I accept some papers were out of line , it was obvious at the time. Why didn't they use the PCC or the court earlier?

Christopher Meyer at the time made it very clear to Gerald Mccann what he could do,  ie, make a complaint via the PCC or go to the courts. He did neither at the time so that Madeleine's name could be kept in the public eye.  A Faustian pact he called it or words to that effect.
Apologies in advance if you respond and I don't reply till tomorrow, I have to run to work.

[Anna]

Christopher Meyer at the time made it very clear to Gerald Mccann what he could do,  ie, make a complaint via the PCC or go to the courts. He did neither at the time so that Madeleine's name could be kept in the public eye.  A Faustian pact he called it or words to that effect.
Apologies in advance if you respond and I don't reply till tomorrow, I have to run to work.

Mr McCann:-
It's probably fair to put in there that I had a number of conversations with Sir Christopher, primarily because we became friendly with his wife, Lady Catherine, through her work with PACT, so on that first occasion I met Sir Christopher and he broadly asked, "How are the media treating you?" and we were very open and at that point we said, "Considering the interest, not too bad", and we didn't really have too much in the way of specific complaints.
I did have further informal conversations and they also dealt with correspondence from Kingsley Napley over the period, but the gist of the conversations, and most of my dialogue with him, informal rather than written, was that we agreed with our legal advice and we took the best legal advice we could get, that the way to stop this was to take legal action and not to go to the PCC, and I think Sir Christopher agreed with that.
Mr Jay:-
That's a fair summary, Dr McCann. It's what the committee think as well, although Paul Dacre expressed disappointment that you didn't make a formal complaint to the PCC, although Sir Christopher disagreed with Paul Dacre so we have two views --
Mr McCann:-
I think the ultimate thing was we discussed a course of action and our advice, which was given in no uncertain terms, this is legal advice, was that the PCC were not fit to deal with the accusations, the nature of them, the number of them and the severity.

http://leveson.sayit.mysociety.org/hearing-23-november-2011/dr-gerald-patrick-mccann-and-dr-kate-marie-mccann

[faithlilly]

Mr McCann:-
It's probably fair to put in there that I had a number of conversations with Sir Christopher, primarily because we became friendly with his wife, Lady Catherine, through her work with PACT, so on that first occasion I met Sir Christopher and he broadly asked, "How are the media treating you?" and we were very open and at that point we said, "Considering the interest, not too bad", and we didn't really have too much in the way of specific complaints.
I did have further informal conversations and they also dealt with correspondence from Kingsley Napley over the period, but the gist of the conversations, and most of my dialogue with him, informal rather than written, was that we agreed with our legal advice and we took the best legal advice we could get, that the way to stop this was to take legal action and not to go to the PCC, and I think Sir Christopher agreed with that.
Mr Jay:-
That's a fair summary, Dr McCann. It's what the committee think as well, although Paul Dacre expressed disappointment that you didn't make a formal complaint to the PCC, although Sir Christopher disagreed with Paul Dacre so we have two views --
Mr McCann:-
I think the ultimate thing was we discussed a course of action and our advice, which was given in no uncertain terms, this is legal advice, was that the PCC were not fit to deal with the accusations, the nature of them, the number of them and the severity.

http://leveson.sayit.mysociety.org/hearing-23-november-2011/dr-gerald-patrick-mccann-and-dr-kate-marie-mccann

PCC chairman Sir Christopher Meyer criticises media law firms
Oliver Luft
Wednesday 25 March 2009 00.01 GMT Last modified on Wednesday 25 March 2009 00.18 GMT


Sir Christopher Meyer yesterday criticised a number of London media law firms, claiming they see the Press Complaints Commission as their "sworn enemy". Meyer singled out leading law firm Carter-Ruck, accusing it of using a Commons select committee hearing to lead an attack on the press industry watchdog.

Meyer, the outgoing chairman of the PCC, suggested to MPs on the Commons culture, media and sport committee that Carter-Ruck had used a hearing before them earlier this month to attack his organisation.

Gerry McCann, father of the missing child Madeleine and a Carter-Ruck client, also criticised the PCC at the same hearing. McCann gave evidence flanked by Adam Tudor, a partner at Carter-Ruck.

The Formula One boss Max Mosley appeared before the committee on the same day and heavily criticised the PCC.

"It was a classic Carter-Ruck operation," Meyer told MPs, adding that the session in which McCann give evidence to the committee had seen "a tendentious onslaught on the PCC".

"There are lots of law firms in London specialising in media matters that see us as their sworn enemy, probably because we can do the job for free and can provide a degree of discretion," he added.

Cameron Doley, managing partner with Carter-Ruck, denied that his firm had any involvement with Mosley, who he said was not a client.

Doley also denied that Carter-Ruck had orchestrated an attack on the PCC through McCann, saying his views about the PCC predated the relationship with Carter-Ruck.

"It is quite insulting to suggest that he's an innocent dupe, it's nonsense," Doley said.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2009/mar/25/christopher-meyer-pcc-media-law

[faithlilly]

Christopher Meyer at Leveson

"12.31pm:
"The PCC made it its business from the very beginning to say, 'we are here to help'," Meyer tells the inquiry. He adds that help was taken up "but only in an ancillary way".

He says that if the McCanns did not want intervention, "You must respect complainants' wishes."

12.28pm:
Meyer says it was "screamingly obvious" what had gone wrong in relation to the McCann saga.

The McCanns needed the press for publicity's sake, he says, but it was a "Faustian" pact."

[Anna]

C. Meyer

12.31pm: "The PCC made it its business from the very beginning to say, 'we are here to help'," Meyer tells the inquiry. He adds that help was taken up "but only in an ancillary way".

He says that if the McCanns did not want intervention, "You must respect complainants' wishes."

12.32pm: Meyer says in February 2008 he agreed with the McCanns that launching libel actions against newspapers, rather than going to the PCC, was the right course of action.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id402.html

[faithlilly]

C. Meyer

12.31pm: "The PCC made it its business from the very beginning to say, 'we are here to help'," Meyer tells the inquiry. He adds that help was taken up "but only in an ancillary way".

He says that if the McCanns did not want intervention, "You must respect complainants' wishes."

12.32pm: Meyer says in February 2008 he agreed with the McCanns that launching libel actions against newspapers, rather than going to the PCC, was the right course of action.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id402.html

The point being that if the McCanns had taken up the PCC's offer of help in the middle of 2007 they may never have had to resort to the libel courts.

[Benice]

The point being that if the McCanns had taken up the PCC's offer of help in the middle of 2007 they may never have had to resort to the libel courts.

It would appear that the PCC were of no use to any of the other 'victims' of the Press who gave evidence at the Leveson Enquiry or they wouldn't have needed to be there.   -  One of them was Christopher Jefferies.   

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Mr Jefferies said the PCC was never really a regulator, but a way of dealing with "comparatively minor complaints" against the press.

He said: "Certainly what has now got to happen is that what replaces the PCC is a genuine regulator with proper powers to ensure that the sort of thing that happened to me, the sort of thing that happened to the McCanns, the Dowlers, whoever else, is never allowed to happen again.''
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[Eleanor]

The point being that if the McCanns had taken up the PCC's offer of help in the middle of 2007 they may never have had to resort to the libel courts.

So people need to ask The PCC for help when they are being Libelled by The Press?  The PCC are incapable of acting alone?
But then The PCC is controlled by The Press.  So no surprises there.

[mercury]

gerald mccann was complaining about the newspapers but didnt want them to stop printing stories, ergo, he had no reason to complain IMO, you dance with the devil you get burnt

[Miss Taken Identity]

gerald mccann was complaining about the newspapers but didnt want them to stop printing stories, ergo, he had no reason to complain IMO, you dance with the devil you get burnt

Oh indeed as many have found out.

I am still unsure the reason behind the UK press involvement so early. Maddie dis sapeared in Portugal, local people and the police,contrary to what you read from Team McCann and their forum luvvies,  were searching for little Maddie- some police were actually 'investigating' as well as searching!

The McCanns were right in there with the 'everybody leaves their children alone while they go out and eat n drink'  testimony They never will get away from people being disgusted at the insinuation that this is done regularly by the UK parents.

 They tried to point the finger at others to blame for the part they played in Maddies continued disappearance, this also back fired badly in terms of sympathy and support IMO.

They made a lot of money from the 'press'...dance with the devil indeed

[mercury]

Oh indeed as many have found out.

I am still unsure the reason behind the UK press involvement so early. Maddie dis sapeared in Portugal, local people and the police,contrary to what you read from Team McCann and their forum luvvies,  were searching for little Maddie- some police were actually 'investigating' as well as searching!

The McCanns were right in there with the 'everybody leaves their children alone while they go out and eat n drink'  testimony They never will get away from people being disgusted at the insinuation that this is done regularly by the UK parents.

 They tried to point the finger at others to blame for the part they played in Maddies continued disappearance, this also back fired badly in terms of sympathy and support IMO.

They made a lot of money from the 'press'...dance with the devil indeed

The media got involved so early as the Mccanns and co were calling them the same night...Im sure the story will have been picked up very shortly after anyway