Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.

[Brietta]

What if it was,its not the be all and end all of how Madeleine is supposed to have left 5a,if OG are looking at woke and wandered what part would an open window play in that?

Precisely.

[Brietta]

Did he just go up one floor to the Payne's apartment or all the way to the top?

That is a question you must pose to gunit for a response.  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10478.msg509262#msg509262 her post makes reference to it here ... which is the first time I have ever seen mention of any named individual carrying out searches any where in areas not specifically connected with Madeleine.

Of course we do know that individuals did knock doors in the apartment blocks, but I am unaware of any being identified.

[Robittybob1]

According to Gerry's sister on 4th May;

"Kate went back at 10pm to check, the front door was lying open, the window had been tampered with, the shutters had been jammied open, and Madeleine was missing."
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/1may7/04-05-07-Times-Transcript.htm

I assume she was repeating what she had been told at 23.40 when her brother phoned her.  Her account differs from that of Kate's parents as they mentioned the broken shutters but not the open front door. They were called just after midnight.

So did Gerry and some others know something that Kate didn't?   I tend to think they did and this following is my reasoning:
1.  Gerry told Kate to commence her check (urgency)
2.  She only took a couple of minutes to do her check, yet it seemed like 10 minutes to Gerry (anxious to know the outcome)
3.  The guys started looking for Madeleine in the immediate vicinity without checking the actual scene first (no need for a plan to be formulated based on evidence).
4.  Fiona was asked to stay there in case Madeline came back there, not in case she wandered but actually wander back there (seems somewhat based on knowledge).

I feel that Mark Rowley had been told about these circumstances  earlier as he said in 2017 "however Madeleine left the apartment, she was abducted"  So that to me is him saying "let's not get too fussed over the reason why she left the apartment, we know she  got outside for some reason, and hence because she wasn't found immediately she must have been abducted."

[Robittybob1]

That is a question you must pose to gunit for a response.  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10478.msg509262#msg509262 her post makes reference to it here ... which is the first time I have ever seen mention of any named individual carrying out searches any where in areas not specifically connected with Madeleine.

Of course we do know that individuals did knock doors in the apartment blocks, but I am unaware of any being identified.

There is a difference in what was done in the first 10 minutes and what was done after they all regrouped and formulated plans.

[Brietta]

There is a difference in what was done in the first 10 minutes and what was done after they all regrouped and formulated plans.

Perhaps it would be worthwhile asking gunit from where she sourced her information as the answer might be informative.

[G-Unit]

Gerry said in BBC 4 Radio in September 2018:
"You're in this quiet little holiday resort - that seemed idyllic - out of season and I certainly didn't speak Portuguese so I asked [our friend] Matt to go to reception and ask them to call the police."
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-45694119

As we can see from the phone records was this phonecall made from the OC reception to GNR at 22:41.

The phone call was made at 22.41, but not at Matt's request. He was 'sent' there at 22.10.

[Robittybob1]

The phone call was made at 22.41, but not at Matt's request. He was 'sent' there at 22.10.

Matt says he tried to get them to call the police.

[G-Unit]

There is a difference in what was done in the first 10 minutes and what was done after they all regrouped and formulated plans.

According to Rachael Gerry, Kate, Fiona and David 'might have' emerged from the front door of 5A almost immediately after entering by the patio door. How did the Paynes avoid seeing the open shutters and window?

'Erm well I think it must have been just before I told Jane that, you know we, Matt checked on Grace and I mean I, I did, I thought we'll go straight to Jane and you know tell her that Madeleine was missing but if sort of Kate and Fi and you know Dave and Gerry might have come out of the apartment and sort of been standing around there and talking about this, these shutters being up and the window being open, erm and I didn't, I didn't have a conversation with anyone, I just heard them talking about it, erm so I think it was you know in that time between sort of you know five past ten and ten fifteen, erm but it wasn't somebody specifically coming up to me and saying, 'the windows were open and the shutters were up'.'
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RACHAEL-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

[Robittybob1]

According to Rachael Gerry, Kate, Fiona and David 'might have' emerged from the front door of 5A almost immediately after entering by the patio door. How did the Paynes avoid seeing the open shutters and window?

'Erm well I think it must have been just before I told Jane that, you know we, Matt checked on Grace and I mean I, I did, I thought we'll go straight to Jane and you know tell her that Madeleine was missing but if sort of Kate and Fi and you know Dave and Gerry might have come out of the apartment and sort of been standing around there and talking about this, these shutters being up and the window being open, erm and I didn't, I didn't have a conversation with anyone, I just heard them talking about it, erm so I think it was you know in that time between sort of you know five past ten and ten fifteen, erm but it wasn't somebody specifically coming up to me and saying, 'the windows were open and the shutters were up'.'
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RACHAEL-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

That sentence has a strange construction.  There could even be a change of thought half way through it TBH.

" I thought we'll go straight to Jane and you know tell her that Madeleine was missing but if sort of Kate and Fi and you know Dave and Gerry might have come out of the apartment and sort of been standing around there and talking about this, these shutters being up and the window being open, ..."

The bolded bit is not fluent and I wouldn't take it as gospel.  but if sort of Kate and Fi and you know Dave and Gerry might have come out of the apartment  On its own it hardly makes sense.

Generally Rachael is understandable but not always correct. 

[niklasericson]

Matt says he tried to get them to call the police.

Two receptionist at duty and no one mentioned anything about this phonecall.
One of them stated that Gerry came to the reception with John Hill and Hill arrived at 22:35.
Amy also stated that Gerry went to the reception to made the phone call.

[niklasericson]

Do we know for sure, without any doubts that the gates at the stairs were closed and locked?
Is there an independent witness to this?

[jassi]

Does Matt mention the child gate ? He went through it at 9.30.
Was it open or closed when he got there?  Did he close it on leaving ?

[Robittybob1]

Do we know for sure, without any doubts that the gates at the stairs were closed and locked?
Is there an independent witness to this?

The gates were never locked!

[Robittybob1]

Does Matt mention the child gate ? He went through it at 9.30.
Was it open or closed when he got there?  Did he close it on leaving ?

That probably goes without saying.

[jassi]

That probably goes without saying.

Does it? 
Kate said the gate was closed.
Nobody corroborated that as far as I'm aware.
If Matt definitely closed the gate, then that would be corroboration.