Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?

[Mr Gray]

All the more reason they should have let her be. You only need to look at Sir Cliff Richard now after the BBC did their worst to ruin him.  He was fine before they got involved and now he is a shadow of himself.  No pun intended.

Let her be to carry on posting vile abuse... Certainly not... Abuse such as brenda posted is wrong and needs to be stopped imo

[Erngath]

People are entitled to their anonymity in this country if they so wish so any news organisation breaching it must be damn sure they are on solid ground. What BL took part in might have been morally questionable but it was not illegal.  Are we now to consider Sky News and the BBC to be the upholders of our moral conscience now?

If your child was being subjected to abuse on social media, not criminal but morally reprehensible, would you expect your child's school to be the upholder of our moral conscience or do nothing?

[Venturi Swirl]

There’s another dossier in the news today, what do our dossier dissers think of this?  As they mostly seem to be Corbynistas, they’re probably just as outraged, but before anyone shouts “what”s the relevance”, it’s a dossier of hateful online tweets, posts and comments collected by concerned individual(s), handed to the Met who are investigating it, meanwhile the contents have been leaked to the media...

From the Times:

“Scotland Yard will investigate a leaked dossier of [ censored word]emitism allegations against Labour members after a former senior policeman said many constituted hate crimes.

The document with details of 45 Labour members accused of [ censored word]emitism was leaked to LBC.

It includes allegations that a Labour councillor inflicted “ten years of hell” on a child by calling him a “Jew boy”, while another member posted Facebook comments including: “We shall rid the Jews who are a cancer on us all” and “as for the Jews, red see [sic] ideal destination no need for gas chambers anyway as gas is so expensive and we need it in England”

So, will there be lots of weeping and wailing on here when these Labour members are named and shamed?

[Mr Gray]

If your child was being subjected to abuse on social media, not criminal but morally reprehensible, would you expect your child's school to be the upholder of our moral conscience or do nothing?

What about bullying... Name calling.... Is that OK... Towards children at school... Should schols treat it as freedom of speech.... That is the message being sent out to bullies here

[Venturi Swirl]

A good comment I agree with which appears under the Times article I mention d above:

“Ridiculous - RIP free speech in this country.

The people making the vile comments against Jews as reported above should be publicly exposed and denounced in the media. However, illegality of speech must only be established where threats of violence are concerned otherwise you are destroying free speech - however obnoxious - which is the fundamental pillar of our democracy”.

Quite right - name and shame in the media, and don’t bother the police at all, unless it’s a very serious threat of violence. 

[Erngath]

What about bullying... Name calling.... Is that OK... Towards children at school... Should schols treat it as freedom of speech.... That is the message being sent out to bullies here

Even outwith the playground, when the abuse is on social media and even though the abuse is not criminal, schools are expected to be the upholders of our moral conscience.

[G-Unit]

A good comment I agree with which appears under the Times article I mention d above:

“Ridiculous - RIP free speech in this country.

The people making the vile comments against Jews as reported above should be publicly exposed and denounced in the media. However, illegality of speech must only be established where threats of violence are concerned otherwise you are destroying free speech - however obnoxious - which is the fundamental pillar of our democracy”.

Quite right - name and shame in the media, and don’t bother the police at all, unless it’s a very serious threat of violence.

Did you notice the caveat? It has to be illegal, not just obnoxious.

[faithlilly]

There’s another dossier in the news today, what do our dossier dissers think of this?  As they mostly seem to be Corbynistas, they’re probably just as outraged, but before anyone shouts “what”s the relevance”, it’s a dossier of hateful online tweets, posts and comments collected by concerned individual(s), handed to the Met who are investigating it, meanwhile the contents have been leaked to the media...

From the Times:

“Scotland Yard will investigate a leaked dossier of [ censored word]emitism allegations against Labour members after a former senior policeman said many constituted hate crimes.

The document with details of 45 Labour members accused of [ censored word]emitism was leaked to LBC.

It includes allegations that a Labour councillor inflicted “ten years of hell” on a child by calling him a “Jew boy”, while another member posted Facebook comments including: “We shall rid the Jews who are a cancer on us all” and “as for the Jews, red see [sic] ideal destination no need for gas chambers anyway as gas is so expensive and we need it in England”

So, will there be lots of weeping and wailing on here when these Labour members are named and shamed?

This will be dealt with by the police and if any law has been broken, which I suspect there has, the politicians will be named. That is how the law works. It might not be immediate enough for some but that’s just too bad.

[Mr Gray]

Did you notice the caveat? It has to be illegal, not just obnoxious.

So freedom of the dossier complilers... And the press.... However obnoxious... Perhaps it's you who is missing the point

[Brietta]

The McCann case isn't headline news these days. It isn't heading up a google search on the news page but I agree it is newsworthy.  However is a woman who made 4500 tweets (or so) some about the McCann case newsworthy enough to have a rolling video of her being accosted by Martin Brunt outside her home on Sky News for hours, having screaming headlines from pretty much every other media outlet for days.

Was nothing else happening in the news for those days? It would appear so. All because one lady made 4500 tweets, which probably hardly anyone read, and some about the McCanns.

Have you ever given thought as to why if as you opine, the McCann case is no longer headline news twitter users continue to tweet obsessively about them just as Brenda Leyland did?

[Sunny]

The problem was brenda, was IMO, thoroughly  ashamed at what she, had posted... And so she, should have been

Can you provide a cite that Brenda was ashamed of what she had posted. I am sure she was incredibly upset and embarrassed by the mass media scrum but ashamed? I can't find a quote where she said that.

[barrier]

Have you ever given thought as to why if as you opine, the McCann case is no longer headline news twitter users continue to tweet obsessively about them just as Brenda Leyland did?

Of course there are not supporters joining in.

[Mr Gray]

Can you provide a cite that Brenda was ashamed of what she had posted. I am sure she was incredibly upset and embarrassed by the mass media scrum but ashamed? I can't find a quote where she said that.

Have you provided the cite I asked of you this morning

[Sunny]

There’s another dossier in the news today, what do our dossier dissers think of this?  As they mostly seem to be Corbynistas, they’re probably just as outraged, but before anyone shouts “what”s the relevance”, it’s a dossier of hateful online tweets, posts and comments collected by concerned individual(s), handed to the Met who are investigating it, meanwhile the contents have been leaked to the media...

From the Times:

“Scotland Yard will investigate a leaked dossier of [ censored word]emitism allegations against Labour members after a former senior policeman said many constituted hate crimes.

The document with details of 45 Labour members accused of [ censored word]emitism was leaked to LBC.

It includes allegations that a Labour councillor inflicted “ten years of hell” on a child by calling him a “Jew boy”, while another member posted Facebook comments including: “We shall rid the Jews who are a cancer on us all” and “as for the Jews, red see [sic] ideal destination no need for gas chambers anyway as gas is so expensive and we need it in England”

So, will there be lots of weeping and wailing on here when these Labour members are named and shamed?

Will the Labour members be doorstepped on Sky news with rolling videos showing the doorstepping every hour. Will each one be subject to dozens of news reports naming them and giving their address whilst calling them a trxll?

So far we have a document passed to the police and the police are checking out if a hate crime was made by anyone. That is the way it should be. No names necessary IMO.

[Venturi Swirl]

This will be dealt with by the police and if any law has been broken, which I suspect there has, the politicians will be named. That is how the law works. It might not be immediate enough for some but that’s just too bad.

And if the media names those responsible for some of the vile behaviour before the police do that will be a problem because...?