Author Topic: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?  (Read 138001 times)

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Offline jassi

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1485 on: September 04, 2018, 07:44:13 PM »
The government could stop it if they really wanted to by penalising sites which failed to control abuse.  Users can be blocked permanently if need be.

With multiple accounts and proxy servers, how would you do this?
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1486 on: September 04, 2018, 07:44:23 PM »
As already pointed out, the parents don't use social media publicly so they never received any abuse on twitter.  Try this one out for size Vertigo, go out into the middle of a very large empty field and shout abuse to everyone to your heart's content.  Was anyone offended?

Now apply this to Brenda's tweets.
Twitter is not a large empty field.  Now try your analogy but change field to library or restaurant or pub, wearing a balaclava.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1487 on: September 04, 2018, 07:50:03 PM »
As already pointed out, the parents don't use social media publicly so they never received any abuse on twitter.  Try this one out for size Vertigo, go out into the middle of a very large empty field and shout abuse to everyone to your heart's content.  Was anyone offended?

Now apply this to Brenda's tweets.

The field was full of people... Make your mind up...
Brendas tweets, were offensive.. You agreed... The only way to stop them was by going to the press
« Last Edit: September 04, 2018, 07:55:49 PM by Davel »

Offline Erngath

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1488 on: September 04, 2018, 07:50:51 PM »
Point being they don't have to read them if they weren't sent to them.  You would only have seen BL's posts if you went looking or someone else sent them to you.



Are you saying it doesn't matter if only a few people read abuse directed at a named person?
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline Angelo222

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1489 on: September 04, 2018, 07:50:56 PM »
With multiple accounts and proxy servers, how would you do this?

Court order.  Everybody who goes on line can be traced by one means or another.
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Offline Angelo222

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1490 on: September 04, 2018, 07:53:01 PM »


Are you saying it doesn't matter if only a few people read abuse directed at a named person?

It is the individual's choice, nobody is forced to go on twitter and read abusive posts.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Angelo222

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1491 on: September 04, 2018, 07:54:31 PM »
The field was full of people... Make your mind up...
Brendas twwrs, were offensive.. You agreed... The only way to stop them was by going to the oress

Absolutely not.  Going to the press ended in her death.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1492 on: September 04, 2018, 07:55:06 PM »
It is the individual's choice, nobody is forced to go on twitter and read abusive posts.

and its an individuals choice to take concerns to the press...in effect it doesnt matter what posters say here ...the compilers had every legal right to go the press...teh press had every legal right to doorstep brenda...lets hope more abusers are outed
« Last Edit: September 04, 2018, 07:58:42 PM by Davel »

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1493 on: September 04, 2018, 07:57:11 PM »
Absolutely not.  Going to the press ended in her death.

...only because she was suffering from mental illness in the first place...no ones fault

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1494 on: September 04, 2018, 07:58:01 PM »
and its an individuals choice to take concerns to the press
and its an individuals choice to take her own life.
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Offline Erngath

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1495 on: September 04, 2018, 07:58:18 PM »
Court order.  Everybody who goes on line can be traced by one means or another.


But while you wait for this to happen , what can be done meantime.
Schools cannot wait until this happens, they have to deal with bullying and abuse , even though the abuse is not criminal.
Highlighting the abuse at assemblies, writing to parents to inform them of the abuse.

Actually if the schools do nothing, and the abuse is not  deemed to be criminal, then I would expect parents to contact the press.
« Last Edit: September 04, 2018, 08:03:27 PM by Erngath »
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline jassi

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1496 on: September 04, 2018, 07:59:20 PM »
It is the individual's choice, nobody is forced to go on twitter and read abusive posts.

Or even to be offended on behalf of others.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1497 on: September 04, 2018, 07:59:36 PM »
and its an individuals choice to take her own life.

of course ...it a was brendas choice

Offline Erngath

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1498 on: September 04, 2018, 08:00:36 PM »
Absolutely not.  Going to the press ended in her death.

In truth you cannot make that statement.
She had multiple difficulties in her life which have been mentioned before and she had attempted suicide before.

Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline Erngath

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1499 on: September 04, 2018, 08:04:06 PM »
Or even to be offended on behalf of others.

Indeed.
Some do and some don't.
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.