Author Topic: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?  (Read 137994 times)

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Offline Sunny

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1710 on: September 05, 2018, 11:40:51 PM »
https://youtu.be/TBP9k2Xsj6g?list=RDVnuf9-zgdyw  "Dolly did it"

Sorry still not making sense Rob but I am off now anyway.

Speak tomorrow.
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Offline misty

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1711 on: September 05, 2018, 11:41:52 PM »
BL, who didn’t post abuse or commit any offence appears to be being pilloried by the usual suspects for not being convinced of the McCanns non involvement. Talk about post truth.

She chose not to continue living in hope of eventually learning the truth - which imo signifies that her quest was not as important to her as her own reputation. Egos & reputations have long since overtaken the sceptic cause of justice for Madeleine, clearly visible on twitter & other fora. Is Madeleine McCann deserving of a name forever synonymous with the behaviour of those who play at seeking their own version of justice?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1712 on: September 05, 2018, 11:47:08 PM »
Sorry still not making sense Rob but I am off now anyway.

Speak tomorrow.
I couldn't find the right clip, but that comedian blamed everything on Dolly, by saying "Dolly did it" and I was trying to being funny saying "Brenda did it".  I'll try again later....
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Offline faithlilly

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1713 on: September 05, 2018, 11:49:31 PM »
She chose not to continue living in hope of eventually learning the truth - which imo signifies that her quest was not as important to her as her own reputation. Egos & reputations have long since overtaken the sceptic cause of justice for Madeleine, clearly visible on twitter & other fora. Is Madeleine McCann deserving of a name forever synonymous with the behaviour of those who play at seeking their own version of justice?

It would be better than a name synonymous with parental neglect.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline misty

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1714 on: September 05, 2018, 11:54:27 PM »
It would be better than a name synonymous with parental neglect.

What happened to due process when making that comparison?

Offline Sunny

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1715 on: September 06, 2018, 05:54:53 AM »
She chose not to continue living in hope of eventually learning the truth - which imo signifies that her quest was not as important to her as her own reputation. Egos & reputations have long since overtaken the sceptic cause of justice for Madeleine, clearly visible on twitter & other fora. Is Madeleine McCann deserving of a name forever synonymous with the behaviour of those who play at seeking their own version of justice?

I think that is very cruel Misty when you say
 
She chose not to continue living in hope of eventually learning the truth - which imo signifies that her quest was not as important to her as her own reputation.

Can you not sympathise with the shock and horror she must have felt seeing Martin Brunt outside her house  accusing her of trolling the McCanns and saying she was being looked at by the police, all the while knowing that this would appear at least once on television. Then it doesn't appear just once but many times on Sky followed by the Daily Mail naming her and others following suit all calling her a trxll and picking her life apart.

You say "eventually" how long is eventually to someone suffering from depression who feels that her entire life has caved in in one day IMO.

One thing I am sure of is that even when the MSM furore had died down the supporters would be sharing the video and taunting others using her experience as the stick.  They have done it before IMO



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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1716 on: September 06, 2018, 07:27:09 AM »
What is, the point if this thread... Shouldn't Brenda be allowed to RIP....

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1717 on: September 06, 2018, 08:07:56 AM »
The only people that matter ie the police, deemed Brenda to have committed no criminal offence. So for her to be hounded when she had done nothing criminally wrong was indeed to deny her due process. Due process entails investigation, arrest, charge, trial, verdict. Due process is not accusation, humiliation, death.
Why were there no prosecutions following Brenda’s death then?
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1718 on: September 06, 2018, 08:09:30 AM »
BL, who didn’t post abuse or commit any offence appears to be being pilloried by the usual suspects for not being convinced of the McCanns non involvement. Talk about post truth.
Brenda didn’t post abuse??!  Did you write that with a straight face?
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1719 on: September 06, 2018, 08:16:36 AM »
What is, the point if this thread... Shouldn't Brenda be allowed to RIP....
Brenda’s death was a gift to the sceptics, a great big juicy stick to bring out regularly to use for McCann and McCann supporter bashing.  Sick and sad IMO, but maybe that’s what Brenda would have wanted.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1720 on: September 06, 2018, 08:22:23 AM »
What is, the point if this thread... Shouldn't Brenda be allowed to RIP....

I've found it most informative. Those who have accused others of lacking empathy seem to have jettisoned their own. Those who insist that the McCanns have the right to be presumed innocent appear to have denied that presumption to Brenda Leyland. Those who think the police are the right people to investigate Madeleine's disappearance have supported the idea of bypassing the police and using the media if they think a person is guilty. In my opinion they change their morals and beliefs depending on the circumstances.
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1721 on: September 06, 2018, 08:28:11 AM »
Brenda didn’t post abuse??!  Did you write that with a straight face?

Yes, nothing posted would look out of place on many of the active fora both supporter and sceptic.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1722 on: September 06, 2018, 08:30:35 AM »
I've found it most informative. Those who have accused others of lacking empathy seem to have jettisoned their own. Those who insist that the McCanns have the right to be presumed innocent appear to have denied that presumption to Brenda Leyland. Those who think the police are the right people to investigate Madeleine's disappearance have supported the idea of bypassing the police and using the media if they think a person is guilty. In my opinion they change their morals and beliefs depending on the circumstances.
I think pretty much every McCann supporter here has expressed empathy for Brenda.  Brenda was not denied any rights, the media simply reported the facts, which she had the opportunity to deny or defend.  Instead she chose to end her life.  The same thing happened to the McCanns initially, with the media reporting that they left their kids alone and all the outrage that enused.  The McCanns chose to defend their position.  In the end they were not prosecuted, and neither probably would Brenda have been - she would have received due process, but didn’t stick around long enough for it. 
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1723 on: September 06, 2018, 08:32:09 AM »
Yes, nothing posted would look out of place on many of the active fora both supporter and sceptic.
So despite the fact that many sceptics on this thread have agreed that what Brenda wrote was bullying and abusive, you think it was acceptable because others do it too, is that the gist?
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1724 on: September 06, 2018, 08:51:48 AM »
Bsically what you and Claire want is for the media to consider and research the mental health of everyone they write stories on before publishing them.  Perhaps that too should be extended to everyone who passes a personal opinion on another person in a public place.
Interesting point to ponder.

From memory, Richard Bilton came in for a lot of criticism, on here, for his 10th anniversary piece re Madeleine, particularly re 2 doorstep interviews, Vitor dos Santos and Paulo Ribeiro.  The latter, in particular, was clearly not mentally fit for an inquisatorial intervew.  The former was doorstepped at his place of work.

Should the BBC have considered the mental health of Paulo Ribeiro?
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