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Offline faithlilly

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1965 on: November 07, 2018, 12:15:55 PM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 07, 2018, 11:43:48 AM
Rukayet Mamadu, a survivor of the fire, called the video the "climax of intolerance of the system and society".

She told the Victoria Derbyshire programme: "It's chilling, it's cold-blooded. I feel so bad, let alone people who lost relatives.

"This should be brought to justice."

If they have broken the law, I absolutely agree. It doesn’t, however, negate my previous point.
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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1966 on: November 07, 2018, 01:07:14 PM »
Quote from: Faithlilly on November 07, 2018, 11:43:04 AM
I believe one of these men posted the video on social media themselves so, technically, they denied themselves due process.
If the crime is the posting of the video in the first place then how is that also denying themselves due process?  That’s ridiculous.  What about the other men involved?  Also, Brenda posted her opinions and bullying on social media herself didn’t she?
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1967 on: November 07, 2018, 01:07:30 PM »
Quote from: Faithlilly on November 07, 2018, 12:15:55 PM
If they have broken the law, I absolutely agree. It doesn’t, however, negate my previous point.
What point was that?
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Offline faithlilly

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1968 on: November 07, 2018, 01:49:38 PM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 07, 2018, 01:07:14 PM
If the crime is the posting of the video in the first place then how is that also denying themselves due process?  That’s ridiculous.  What about the other men involved?  Also, Brenda posted her opinions and bullying on social media herself didn’t she?

Did Brenda identify herself ?
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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Angelo222

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1969 on: November 07, 2018, 02:52:39 PM »
Followers of Sky News will have noticed recently that Martin Brunt no longer does expose type reports as these are now being done by Mark White.  Let's hope he doesn't make the same errors.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1970 on: November 07, 2018, 03:06:12 PM »
Quote from: Faithlilly on November 07, 2018, 01:49:38 PM
Did Brenda identify herself ?
Did these men? 
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Offline faithlilly

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1971 on: November 07, 2018, 03:50:08 PM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 07, 2018, 03:06:12 PM
Did these men?

Well I believe one of the men posted the video to their own private Facebook account so that would be a yes.
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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1972 on: November 07, 2018, 04:43:10 PM »
 Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?

Yes!
Can anyone give a rational explanation why they feel some should be precluded from basic English law?
I thought not.
The end.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1973 on: November 07, 2018, 04:59:29 PM »
Quote from: Alice Purjorick on November 07, 2018, 04:43:10 PM
Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?

Yes!
Can anyone give a rational explanation why they feel some should be precluded from basic English law?
I thought not.
The end.
Has anything been done about it?
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1974 on: November 07, 2018, 05:08:09 PM »
Quote from: Robittybob1 on November 07, 2018, 04:59:29 PM
Has anything been done about it?

About what?
Do you mean changing the law to suit the personal prejudices of internet jockeys ?
Give me a rational explanation for why anyone should be denied the basic English right of equality at law?
When considering your response forget the McCann case as it does not transcend the law no matter what supporters may like to think.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1975 on: November 07, 2018, 05:38:18 PM »
Quote from: Faithlilly on November 07, 2018, 03:50:08 PM
Well I believe one of the men posted the video to their own private Facebook account so that would be a yes.
OK, that accounts for one of them then, in your view, so what about the other 4 or is it 5, are you concerned that they are being denied due process?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1976 on: November 07, 2018, 05:48:54 PM »
Quote from: Alice Purjorick on November 07, 2018, 05:08:09 PM
About what?
Do you mean changing the law to suit the personal prejudices of internet jockeys ?
Give me a rational explanation for why anyone should be denied the basic English right of equality at law?
When considering your response forget the McCann case as it does not transcend the law no matter what supporters may like to think.

Brenda deserved and was afforded due process...I haven't heard any supporter suggesting the McCann case should transcend the law... That appears to be the domain of the supporters
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Offline faithlilly

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1977 on: November 07, 2018, 05:51:14 PM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on November 07, 2018, 05:38:18 PM
OK, that accounts for one of them then, in your view, so what about the other 4 or is it 5, are you concerned that they are being denied due process?

Do I think that they should have been identified, no. If they have broken the law the prosecute them. What do we gain by them being identified ?
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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1978 on: November 07, 2018, 05:52:56 PM »
Quote from: Davel on November 07, 2018, 05:48:54 PM
Brenda deserved and was afforded due process...I haven't heard any supporter suggesting the McCann case should transcend the law... That appears to be the domain of the supporters

Please describe how Brenda was afforded due process ?
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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Did Brenda Leyland Have the Right to Due Process ?
« Reply #1979 on: November 07, 2018, 06:46:27 PM »
Quote from: Faithlilly on November 07, 2018, 05:51:14 PM
Do I think that they should have been identified, no. If they have broken the law the prosecute them. What do we gain by them being identified ?
What if they haven’t broken the law?  Does society (includng the media) not have the right to name and shame people who behave in a morally repugnant way, sending out the message that such behaviour whilst not technically illegal, is still not acceptable?
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"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly
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