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Offline Brietta

Re: Manhunt by Colin Sutton. Are there comparisons with Madeleine?
« Reply #195 on: January 13, 2019, 12:29:34 AM »
Girl spotted in New Zealand is not Madeleine McCann, police claim
A young girl resembling Madeleine McCann captured on CCTV film in a New Zealand shop is not the missing girl, police have said.

05 Mar 2010

Officers in the country said they had identified the girl in the image, which was published in a series of British newspapers as a potential sighting of Madeleine.

A statement from New Zealand's National Police headquarters said: ''Police have identified the child and family thought by a retail assistant to be missing British girl Madeleine McCann. She is not the missing British girl.''

The CCTV footage was taken in a Dunedin shop in December 2007, and showed a child hand-in-hand with a stout man wearing a white T-shirt and black shorts.

Details of the incident were included among 2,000 pages of previously secret case documents held by Portuguese police which were released to British newspapers this week.

They contain dozens of possible sightings of Madeleine after she disappeared from her family's holiday flat in Praia da Luz, southern Portugal, in May 2007, just before her fourth birthday.

New Zealand police said previously they had investigated the Dunedin image, but were unable to get any further information.

Acting Southern Police District Commander Inspector Dave Campbell said he was not going to identify the girl in the picture.

He added: ''New Zealand Police are mindful of the stress on the McCann family from possible sightings of their daughter worldwide.''

Other leads in the newly-released Portuguese police dossier include a report of a small blonde girl being dragged along the road to Faro airport in the Algarve - an hour's drive from Praia da Luz - on the night Madeleine vanished.

Another details how a young girl who looked like the missing child was seen being held at gunpoint on a French motorway by a half-naked man in August 2008.

Kate and Gerry McCann's spokesman Clarence Mitchell said all the information should be released to the private detectives hired by the family.

He said: ''Kate and Gerry have made it clear that they were shocked to see the lack of follow-up work done by the Portuguese police since the investigation was shelved.

''All the information in these files must go to the private investigators as they are the only people still looking for Madeleine.''

The McCanns, both 41 and from Rothley, Leicestershire, spoke last month of their frustration that police had failed to investigate new leads in their daughter's disappearance.

Mrs McCann said: ''It's heartbreaking, to be honest.''

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/7365443/Girl-spotted-in-New-Zealand-is-not-Madeleine-McCann-police-claim.html
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The files to which Paiva referred in court contained information on the Dunedin sighting which was sent to Portugal via Interpol and there it sat ignored until released to the McCann lawyers in 2010 by order of the judge.


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Portuguese ignored NZ Madeline McCann 'sighting' - police
3 Mar, 2010
Snip
A 2000-page dossier from Portugal police contained a series of sightings from around the world - including CCTV footage from the Dunedin supermarket of a child resembling Madeleine - which were never investigated, Britain's Daily Mail reported today.

The Dunedin footage showed a girl "very like" Madeleine being led into a supermarket by a "portly man in shorts", The man's behaviour aroused the suspicions of a security guard who approached the girl to establish whether she was British.

Although the girl said her name was Hailey, the security guard was convinced the girl was Madeleine and reported the incident to police.

Dunedin police today confirmed they had received the information from the security guard.

Acting Southern District Commander, Inspector David Campbell, said police spoke with the woman to establish what had been seen.

A report was filed and police gathered security footage of the child, who had the appearance of Madeleine McCann, and the family with her, Mr Campbell said.

Police could not get any other information to help with the inquiry.

The file was then forwarded to Interpol, Mr Campbell said.

"The lead jurisdiction, in this case, Portugal, directs how the case progresses and has not asked NZ Police for any follow-up to date."

The file has remained open ever since, Mr Campbell said.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10629715
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline faithlilly

Re: Manhunt by Colin Sutton. Are there comparisons with Madeleine?
« Reply #196 on: January 13, 2019, 12:34:08 AM »
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/7365443/Girl-spotted-in-New-Zealand-is-not-Madeleine-McCann-police-claim.html


‘Girl spotted in New Zealand is not Madeleine McCann, police claim
A young girl resembling Madeleine McCann captured on CCTV film in a New Zealand shop is not the missing girl, police have said.

Officers in the country said they had identified the girl in the image, which was published in a series of British newspapers as a potential sighting of Madeleine.

A statement from New Zealand's National Police headquarters said: ''Police have identified the child and family thought by a retail assistant to be missing British girl Madeleine McCann. She is not the missing British girl.''
The CCTV footage was taken in a Dunedin shop in December 2007, and showed a child hand-in-hand with a stout man wearing a white T-shirt and black shorts.’

So a bit of a storm in a teacup. The child was identified and wasn’t Madeleine. I’m sure this information would have been passed on to the Portuguese police via Interpol.

The bald truth is that it has never been proven that one single sighting was not followed up, if humanly possible, either by the country where the sighting occurred and the information passed to the Portuguese police or by the Portuguese police themselves.

You really have to wonder who benefited from misinformation being spread in this way ?
« Last Edit: January 13, 2019, 01:01:52 AM by Faithlilly »
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Manhunt by Colin Sutton. Are there comparisons with Madeleine?
« Reply #197 on: January 13, 2019, 12:36:37 AM »
Girl spotted in New Zealand is not Madeleine McCann, police claim
A young girl resembling Madeleine McCann captured on CCTV film in a New Zealand shop is not the missing girl, police have said.

05 Mar 2010

Officers in the country said they had identified the girl in the image, which was published in a series of British newspapers as a potential sighting of Madeleine.

A statement from New Zealand's National Police headquarters said: ''Police have identified the child and family thought by a retail assistant to be missing British girl Madeleine McCann. She is not the missing British girl.''

The CCTV footage was taken in a Dunedin shop in December 2007, and showed a child hand-in-hand with a stout man wearing a white T-shirt and black shorts.

Details of the incident were included among 2,000 pages of previously secret case documents held by Portuguese police which were released to British newspapers this week.

They contain dozens of possible sightings of Madeleine after she disappeared from her family's holiday flat in Praia da Luz, southern Portugal, in May 2007, just before her fourth birthday.

New Zealand police said previously they had investigated the Dunedin image, but were unable to get any further information.

Acting Southern Police District Commander Inspector Dave Campbell said he was not going to identify the girl in the picture.

He added: ''New Zealand Police are mindful of the stress on the McCann family from possible sightings of their daughter worldwide.''

Other leads in the newly-released Portuguese police dossier include a report of a small blonde girl being dragged along the road to Faro airport in the Algarve - an hour's drive from Praia da Luz - on the night Madeleine vanished.

Another details how a young girl who looked like the missing child was seen being held at gunpoint on a French motorway by a half-naked man in August 2008.

Kate and Gerry McCann's spokesman Clarence Mitchell said all the information should be released to the private detectives hired by the family.

He said: ''Kate and Gerry have made it clear that they were shocked to see the lack of follow-up work done by the Portuguese police since the investigation was shelved.

''All the information in these files must go to the private investigators as they are the only people still looking for Madeleine.''

The McCanns, both 41 and from Rothley, Leicestershire, spoke last month of their frustration that police had failed to investigate new leads in their daughter's disappearance.

Mrs McCann said: ''It's heartbreaking, to be honest.''

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/7365443/Girl-spotted-in-New-Zealand-is-not-Madeleine-McCann-police-claim.html
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The files to which Paiva referred in court contained information on the Dunedin sighting which was sent to Portugal via Interpol and there it sat ignored until released to the McCann lawyers in 2010 by order of the judge.


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Portuguese ignored NZ Madeline McCann 'sighting' - police
3 Mar, 2010
Snip
A 2000-page dossier from Portugal police contained a series of sightings from around the world - including CCTV footage from the Dunedin supermarket of a child resembling Madeleine - which were never investigated, Britain's Daily Mail reported today.

The Dunedin footage showed a girl "very like" Madeleine being led into a supermarket by a "portly man in shorts", The man's behaviour aroused the suspicions of a security guard who approached the girl to establish whether she was British.

Although the girl said her name was Hailey, the security guard was convinced the girl was Madeleine and reported the incident to police.

Dunedin police today confirmed they had received the information from the security guard.

Acting Southern District Commander, Inspector David Campbell, said police spoke with the woman to establish what had been seen.

A report was filed and police gathered security footage of the child, who had the appearance of Madeleine McCann, and the family with her, Mr Campbell said.

Police could not get any other information to help with the inquiry.

The file was then forwarded to Interpol, Mr Campbell said.

"The lead jurisdiction, in this case, Portugal, directs how the case progresses and has not asked NZ Police for any follow-up to date."

The file has remained open ever since, Mr Campbell said.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10629715

Please remove your post which misquoted Paiva.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Brietta

Re: Manhunt by Colin Sutton. Are there comparisons with Madeleine?
« Reply #198 on: January 13, 2019, 12:44:01 AM »
Portuguese ignored NZ Madeline McCann 'sighting' - police
3 Mar, 2010 7:00pm  2 minutes to read
A CCTV image from a Dunedin supermarket showing a girl strongly resembling Madeleine McCann. Photo / Supplied
A CCTV image from a Dunedin supermarket showing a girl strongly resembling Madeleine McCann. Photo / Supplied
Herald online
New Zealand police are defending their response after reports of a possible sighting of missing British girl Madeline McCann in a Dunedin shop.

Madeline was four-years-old when she disappeared from her family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in Portugal in July 2008 while her parents dined at a restaurant less than 100m away.

A massive worldwide search for her was mounted but with no success.

However, it has just been revealed she may have been seen by a security guard at a Dunedin supermarket in December 2008, but the information was disregarded.

A 2000-page dossier from Portugal police contained a series of sightings from around the world - including CCTV footage from the Dunedin supermarket of a child resembling Madeleine - which were never investigated, Britain's Daily Mail reported today.

The Dunedin footage showed a girl "very like" Madeleine being led into a supermarket by a "portly man in shorts", The man's behaviour aroused the suspicions of a security guard who approached the girl to establish whether she was British.

Although the girl said her name was Hailey, the security guard was convinced the girl was Madeleine and reported the incident to police.

Dunedin police today confirmed they had received the information from the security guard.

Acting Southern District Commander, Inspector David Campbell, said police spoke with the woman to establish what had been seen.

A report was filed and police gathered security footage of the child, who had the appearance of Madeleine McCann, and the family with her, Mr Campbell said.

Police could not get any other information to help with the inquiry.

The file was then forwarded to Interpol, Mr Campbell said.

"The lead jurisdiction, in this case, Portugal, directs how the case progresses and has not asked NZ Police for any follow-up to date."

The file has remained open ever since, Mr Campbell said.

Madeleine's parents Gerry and Kate were reported to be "gutted" and "incensed" that their private investigators were not given access to the information, The Daily Mail reported

"There are instances where information which we think is very credible and worthy of information has not been actioned," Mrs McCann said.

Information that police forces in the United States, Europe and North Africa considered important was also discarded, the dossier revealed.

I found it ... you found it before me ... seems easy enough.

However as far as the context of the thread is concerned I think we can categorically state that it is laughable to make any comparison with the portrayal of the conduct of the English police and the actuality of the Portuguese and Madeleine's case.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline faithlilly

Re: Manhunt by Colin Sutton. Are there comparisons with Madeleine?
« Reply #199 on: January 13, 2019, 12:53:31 AM »
I found it ... you found it before me ... seems easy enough.

However as far as the context of the thread is concerned I think we can categorically state that it is laughable to make any comparison with the portrayal of the conduct of the English police and the actuality of the Portuguese and Madeleine's case.

And both your reports where superseded by the report posted by myself in which NZ officials said the little girl was not Madeleine. Further if the very sighting the newspapers used to prove sightings hadn’t been followed up by the Portuguese was demonstrably false what of the veracity of the claim that the other 1999 hadn’t been either
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Manhunt by Colin Sutton. Are there comparisons with Madeleine?
« Reply #200 on: January 13, 2019, 08:15:50 AM »
And both your reports where superseded by the report posted by myself in which NZ officials said the little girl was not Madeleine. Further if the very sighting the newspapers used to prove sightings hadn’t been followed up by the Portuguese was demonstrably false what of the veracity of the claim that the other 1999 hadn’t been either
That’s beside the point.  At the time of the sighting the PJ ignored the information from NZ.  THAT’S the point.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline barrier

Re: Manhunt by Colin Sutton. Are there comparisons with Madeleine?
« Reply #201 on: January 13, 2019, 08:45:11 AM »
Girl spotted in New Zealand is not Madeleine McCann, police claim


Strange headline, the police have no need to claim anything,she was either Madeleine or not, as the case was.
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Offline barrier

Re: Manhunt by Colin Sutton. Are there comparisons with Madeleine?
« Reply #202 on: January 13, 2019, 09:07:57 AM »
However as far as the context of the thread is concerned I think we can categorically state that it is laughable to make any comparison with the portrayal of the conduct of the English police and the actuality of the Portuguese and Madeleine's case.


What would be easier to state is the laughable image that the press actually have a knowledge of just what is happening and happened to be relied upon as a certifiable cite,its a case of he said,they said, I said.

Lets go back to almost the very beginning, where a story in the Telegraph  still accessible today of Madeleine died from a sleeping tablet overdose, is that true?
« Last Edit: January 13, 2019, 09:11:33 AM by barrier »
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Manhunt by Colin Sutton. Are there comparisons with Madeleine?
« Reply #203 on: January 13, 2019, 09:08:25 AM »
I find it difficult to believe that people expected the PJ to investugate every so-called sighting of Madeleine McCann. According to The Sun there were over 8,000 of them in 101 countries. The McCanns asked the world to look for Madeleine and people responded but that really wasn't helpful in my opinion.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Manhunt by Colin Sutton. Are there comparisons with Madeleine?
« Reply #204 on: January 13, 2019, 09:09:30 AM »
I find it difficult to believe that people expected the PJ to investugate every so-called sighting of Madeleine McCann. According to The Sun there were over 8,000 of them in 101 countries. The McCanns asked the world to look for Madeleine and people responded but that really wasn't helpful in my opinion.
The Met did it so why shouldn’t the PJ?
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline barrier

Re: Manhunt by Colin Sutton. Are there comparisons with Madeleine?
« Reply #205 on: January 13, 2019, 09:14:09 AM »
The Met did it so why shouldn’t the PJ?

According to the sun.
Rowley back in 2017 said they had 600 people of interest at one stage,not quite the 8,000 but hey oh! lets not quibble over a few thousand.
« Last Edit: January 13, 2019, 09:21:38 AM by barrier »
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Manhunt by Colin Sutton. Are there comparisons with Madeleine?
« Reply #206 on: January 13, 2019, 09:26:02 AM »
I found it ... you found it before me ... seems easy enough.

However as far as the context of the thread is concerned I think we can categorically state that it is laughable to make any comparison with the portrayal of the conduct of the English police and the actuality of the Portuguese and Madeleine's case.

The comparisons between the UK police and the Portuguese police are indeed laughable. The forces work under different legal systems, are organised differently, meet different needs and use different tools. The only thing they have in common is that both make mistakes as do all police forces.

Looking at these two specific cases we know that the UK police made a mistake which probably cost lives. The PJ have been accused of making mistakes but I have yet to see proof that they did, let alone that their mistakes were significant.
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Offline barrier

Re: Manhunt by Colin Sutton. Are there comparisons with Madeleine?
« Reply #207 on: January 13, 2019, 09:30:22 AM »
The comparisons between the UK police and the Portuguese police are indeed laughable. The forces work under different legal systems, are organised differently, meet different needs and use different tools. The only thing they have in common is that both make mistakes as do all police forces.

Looking at these two specific cases we know that the UK police made a mistake which probably cost lives. The PJ have been accused of making mistakes but I have yet to see proof that they did, let alone that their mistakes were significant.

The UK possibly made two mistakes,the failure to keep a drinks carton which could have had the DNA of a second person on it was the other.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Manhunt by Colin Sutton. Are there comparisons with Madeleine?
« Reply #208 on: January 13, 2019, 09:37:07 AM »
According to the sun.
Rowley back in 2017 said they had 600 people of interest at one stage,not quite the 8,000 but hey oh! lets not quibble over a few thousand.
Having presumably looked at and discarded the rest.  You think not following up 600 people of interest is a good reflection on the PJ? 
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Manhunt by Colin Sutton. Are there comparisons with Madeleine?
« Reply #209 on: January 13, 2019, 09:38:39 AM »
The comparisons between the UK police and the Portuguese police are indeed laughable. The forces work under different legal systems, are organised differently, meet different needs and use different tools. The only thing they have in common is that both make mistakes as do all police forces.

Looking at these two specific cases we know that the UK police made a mistake which probably cost lives. The PJ have been accused of making mistakes but I have yet to see proof that they did, let alone that their mistakes were significant.
laughable.  Even Amaral concedes they did but you seem to think they were practically perfect.  Laughable.  Why aren’t you up in arms about the “lives lost” by the Met?
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly