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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Manhunt by Colin Sutton. Are there comparisons with Madeleine?
« Reply #450 on: January 28, 2019, 09:50:09 AM »
If it says in the flles that 'the alerts confirmed cadaver' (whatever that means) please provide a cite from those files. You can't quote Amaral as if he was representing the views of the investigation because he wasn't. He was giving his own oersonal opinion.

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Re: Manhunt by Colin Sutton. Are there comparisons with Madeleine?
« Reply #451 on: January 28, 2019, 10:08:03 AM »
If it says in the flles that 'the alerts confirmed cadaver' (whatever that means) please provide a cite from those files. You can't quote Amaral as if he was representing the views of the investigation because he wasn't. He was giving his own oersonal opinion.

Which was Libellous, in my opinion.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Manhunt by Colin Sutton. Are there comparisons with Madeleine?
« Reply #452 on: January 28, 2019, 10:45:37 AM »
exactly... I dont know if grange are investigating you... I think its more likely they are than the mccanns...gunit sounds a bit suspicious... and perhaps angelos involved...who knows

Indeed. So why don’t you know if the police are investigating me ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline G-Unit

Re: Manhunt by Colin Sutton. Are there comparisons with Madeleine?
« Reply #453 on: January 28, 2019, 11:06:23 AM »
Confirmation of cadaver is in the proven facts... Amaral claimed his views were shared by the investigation.   Is he not being truthful

Your original claim was that the initial investigation misunderstood the evidence. Please provide a cite from the PJ files confirming your claim.

AFAIK there are no 'proven facts' in the files.

You also claimed 'Amaral said he could prove Maddie died in the apartment'. Please note that claim is his, it has nothing to do with the investigation which clearly couldn't prove any such thing. If it had been able to the case wouldn't still be being investigated.
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Re: Manhunt by Colin Sutton. Are there comparisons with Madeleine?
« Reply #454 on: January 28, 2019, 11:56:15 AM »
If it says in the flles that 'the alerts confirmed cadaver' (whatever that means) please provide a cite from those files. You can't quote Amaral as if he was representing the views of the investigation because he wasn't. He was giving his own oersonal opinion.

Why did Colin Sutton's book on the vicious murder of Amélie Delagrange become a best seller?  Might it have any relevance to the fact that he was the senior investigating officer in the case which led to the conviction of her murderer who turned out to be a serial killer?

Why did Amaral's book on the unexplained disappearance of Madeleine McCann become a best seller ... bearing in mind there was no successful conclusion to the investigation?

Could it have been that purchasers were given the impression that as senior investigating officer at one time he was in possession of 'facts' of the case known only to him: the proverbial Ace up his sleeve springs to mind here?

Undoubtedly Sutton's book did exactly what it said on the cover.  A record of a successful investigation leading to evidence which could be led in court with the only speculation being how many other crimes the perpetrator had been guilty of.

Amaral's book on the other hand falls into the category which was warned about by public prosecutors Jose de Magalhaes e Menezes, and Joao Melchior Gomes when they said ...

"Finally, it should be underlined that this case, unfortunately, is not a police novel, an appropriate scenario for a "crime" that is tailored for the success of the investigative work of a Sherlock Holmes or a Hercule Poirot, guided by the illusion that the forces of law and justice always manage to re-establish the altered order, returning to society the peace and the tranquillity that were only accidentally disturbed.
 
The disappearance of Madeleine McCann is rather an implacable and intricate case of real life, which lies closer to the lucid narrative by Friedrich Duerrenmatt, - "The Pledge. Requiem for the police novel" – because reality and everyday life owe little or no obedience, most of the time, to logic.
 
Life's events do not conform to stereotyped novel-like schemes, it is rather the case that its outcome is often the product of chance or conditioned by accidental and unpredictable factors, and therefore, hard to envision."
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3750.msg141867#msg141867

Sutton's book no doubt contains examples of his "giving his own personal opinion" but his work did achieve the objective of removing an evil man to a place where he could harm no other young women and in his writing of it he did not set out to destroy the innocent.

Amaral's book "giving his own personal opinion" portrays on the contrary, an account of an unsuccessful police investigation the failure of which he justified by speculation and conspiracy theory.  Which targets the innocent who are also the victims and which instead of solving anything was a cog in the wheel of halting the official police investigation of the crime against a minor.

No official investigation took place between 2008 and 2010 ... only her parents kept faith with Madeleine. 

I really think that mentioning Amaral and Sutton in the same breath is an insult to the latter who wound up his police career on a worthwhile high.
 
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Manhunt by Colin Sutton. Are there comparisons with Madeleine?
« Reply #455 on: January 28, 2019, 11:58:04 AM »
Your original claim was that the initial investigation misunderstood the evidence. Please provide a cite from the PJ files confirming your claim.

AFAIK there are no 'proven facts' in the files.

You also claimed 'Amaral said he could prove Maddie died in the apartment'. Please note that claim is his, it has nothing to do with the investigation which clearly couldn't prove any such thing. If it had been able to the case wouldn't still be being investigated.

I've provided a cite from amaral.... How many times it is ckauned thst it wasn't just amaral who believed the mccanns were guilty... Then we have his book... Using the word we... He was speaking fir himself and other officers
Then we have the archiving report.... Which tells us what evidence was used to make the mccanns arguidos..

from the files.....almeidas report..

It must be highlighted that the resource to this kind of inspection is frequent in the UK and the success rate is 100%.

One of the dogs is trained to detect the odour of cadaver and the other to identify vestiges of human blood.

We refer now that the location of the cadaver odours signifies that physically the body (cadaver) is not on the place, marked by the dog, but certainly it has been there, as long as the dog signals it.


read almeidas report..its full of false claims
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Manhunt by Colin Sutton. Are there comparisons with Madeleine?
« Reply #456 on: January 28, 2019, 12:05:27 PM »
Parental Involvement isn't one of them.  Logistics just doesn't allow for this.  Presuming you understand Logistics, of course.

Of course it does.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Manhunt by Colin Sutton. Are there comparisons with Madeleine?
« Reply #457 on: January 28, 2019, 12:11:04 PM »
I've provided a cite from amaral.... How many times it is ckauned thst it wasn't just amaral who believed the mccanns were guilty... Then we have his book... Using the word we... He was speaking fir himself and other officers
Then we have the archiving report.... Which tells us what evidence was used to make the mccanns arguidos

If you're so confident of your 'facts' you will be able to confirm them by providing cires from the PJ files showiing that the initial investigation misunderstood the evidemce. I have reason to believe that it's no longer acceptable to refuse to do so.
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« Reply #458 on: January 28, 2019, 12:11:54 PM »
If you're so confident of your 'facts' you will be able to confirm them by providing cires from the PJ files showiing that the initial investigation misunderstood the evidemce. I have reason to believe that it's no longer acceptable to refuse to do so.

have you read the report by Almeida...


Not less relevant is the refinement of the results that point towards Madeleine's DNA as being present at the apartment 5A behind the sofa, a place marked by the cadaver and the blood dog. In every place marked by the blood dog it was confirmed there was DNA.


that is not true
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Offline Brietta

Re: Manhunt by Colin Sutton. Are there comparisons with Madeleine?
« Reply #459 on: January 28, 2019, 12:18:58 PM »
have you read the report by Almeida

Is that the one translated by LUZ with the heading ...
A report by Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida to the Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation

Where he concludes, after analyzing all the evidence gathered, that the child is dead and the parents were responsible for cadaver occultation, and the entire GROUP was lying since the first day of the investigation.

10 September 2007
(Processo: VOL ,X, p. 2587-2602)
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAVARES_ALMEIDA.htm
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Manhunt by Colin Sutton. Are there comparisons with Madeleine?
« Reply #460 on: January 28, 2019, 12:21:02 PM »
Is that the one translated by LUZ with the heading ...
A report by Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida to the Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation

Where he concludes, after analyzing all the evidence gathered, that the child is dead and the parents were responsible for cadaver occultation, and the entire GROUP was lying since the first day of the investigation.

10 September 2007
(Processo: VOL ,X, p. 2587-2602)
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAVARES_ALMEIDA.htm

thats the one..its in the FILES

Offline Brietta

Re: Manhunt by Colin Sutton. Are there comparisons with Madeleine?
« Reply #461 on: January 28, 2019, 12:37:42 PM »
thats the one..its in the FILES

Even allowing for what may very well be a poor translation ... I think it is indeed a document whose 'conclusions' on which so many of the myths of Madeleine's case appear to be based is risible in the extreme.

Madeleine's case has progressed so far beyond that I find rereading the misconceptions it contains are a bit of an embarrassment when one considers this represents official police findings of the time and must have played its part in having her parents constituted arguidos.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: Manhunt by Colin Sutton. Are there comparisons with Madeleine?
« Reply #462 on: January 28, 2019, 01:21:50 PM »
have you read the report by Almeida...


Not less relevant is the refinement of the results that point towards Madeleine's DNA as being present at the apartment 5A behind the sofa, a place marked by the cadaver and the blood dog. In every place marked by the blood dog it was confirmed there was DNA.


that is not true

There was no evidence that 'pointed towards' Maeleine's DNA being behind the sofa? Swab 3a was taken from behind the sofa;

An incomplete DNA result was obtained from cellular material on the swab 3a. The swab contained very little information and showed low level indications of DNA from more than one person. However, all of the confirmed DNA components within this result match the corresponding components in the DNA profile of Madeline McCann.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm

That certainly suggests (or points to) Madeleine's DNA being behind the sofa. It's a fact that all Keela's indications  resulted in DNA being found.
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« Reply #463 on: January 28, 2019, 01:26:03 PM »
Is that the one translated by LUZ with the heading ...
A report by Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida to the Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation

Where he concludes, after analyzing all the evidence gathered, that the child is dead and the parents were responsible for cadaver occultation, and the entire GROUP was lying since the first day of the investigation.

10 September 2007
(Processo: VOL ,X, p. 2587-2602)
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAVARES_ALMEIDA.htm

Which, it is alleged, was due to 'misunderstanding the evidence'. It is that which I require a cite for;which evidence was misunderstood?
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Offline Mr Gray

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« Reply #464 on: January 28, 2019, 01:27:03 PM »
There was no evidence that 'pointed towards' Maeleine's DNA being behind the sofa? Swab 3a was taken from behind the sofa;

An incomplete DNA result was obtained from cellular material on the swab 3a. The swab contained very little information and showed low level indications of DNA from more than one person. However, all of the confirmed DNA components within this result match the corresponding components in the DNA profile of Madeline McCann.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm

That certainly suggests (or points to) Madeleine's DNA being behind the sofa. It's a fact that all Keela's indications  resulted in DNA being found.

That result dies not point the DNA being maddies... That's, quite untrue