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Offline Robittybob1

Are there thousands of pages not in the file on the internet?
« on: August 10, 2018, 12:53:43 PM »
Misty wrote  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9913.msg478738#msg478738

"http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

Plenty of page numbers referenced in this report.
Proof also than thousands more pages are not on the internet."  End of quote.


Are there thousands of pages not in the file on the internet?

How did Misty come up with this number?
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Offline jassi

Re: Are there thousands of pages not in the file on the internet?
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2018, 01:12:45 PM »
A figure plucked out of the air, maybe ?
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I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Are there thousands of pages not in the file on the internet?
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2018, 01:30:33 PM »
Misty wrote  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9913.msg478738#msg478738

"http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

Plenty of page numbers referenced in this report.
Proof also than thousands more pages are not on the internet."  End of quote.


Are there thousands of pages not in the file on the internet?

How did Misty come up with this number?

It will be interesting to see the proof referred to.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Are there thousands of pages not in the file on the internet?
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2018, 07:06:56 PM »
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G-unit said "Firstly, therefore. pages have only one page number in these files. For the McCann's files to have different numbers they would need to have a completely different set of files created at the same time as these files.

Secondly, the only pages missing are those listed here;

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MISSING_PAGES.htm

I responded
"So define "missing pages"?  In a book if pages were missing the numbers would skip the exact number of pages missing."

Is there any evidence that the missing pages had previously been given page numbers?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Are there thousands of pages not in the file on the internet?
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2018, 07:24:56 PM »
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G-unit said "Firstly, therefore. pages have only one page number in these files. For the McCann's files to have different numbers they would need to have a completely different set of files created at the same time as these files.

Secondly, the only pages missing are those listed here;

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MISSING_PAGES.htm

I responded
"So define "missing pages"?  In a book if pages were missing the numbers would skip the exact number of pages missing."

Is there any evidence that the missing pages had previously been given page numbers?

The missing pages page was created by  Albym who went through the files and identified the missing pages and the reasons for them remaining under judicial secrecy (criminals, perverts, Crimestoppers information and police intelligence documents). All these are numbered but will stay secret.

Some missing statements are mentioned but these don't have page numbers. That means they never were in the files so they are not held under judicial secrecy. We know they exist because they are mentioned in other statements, but they never made it into the official files for some unknown reason.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Are there thousands of pages not in the file on the internet?
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2018, 07:29:21 PM »
The missing pages page was created by  Albym who went through the files and identified the missing pages and the reasons for them remaining under judicial secrecy (criminals, perverts, Crimestoppers information and police intelligence documents). All these are numbered but will stay secret.

Some missing statements are mentioned but these don't have page numbers. That means they never were in the files so they are not held under judicial secrecy. We know they exist because they are mentioned in other statements, but they never made it into the official files for some unknown reason.
Probably got used to prop up the wobbly leg on the desk sergeant’s table and got forgotten.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Are there thousands of pages not in the file on the internet?
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2018, 07:39:11 PM »
Probably got used to prop up the wobbly leg on the desk sergeant’s table and got forgotten.

A simpler explanation would be that the people who gave those statements rang the Crimestoppers number so their statements are in that still secret area of the files.
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Offline jassi

Re: Are there thousands of pages not in the file on the internet?
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2018, 07:41:19 PM »
A simpler explanation would be that the people who gave those statements rang the Crimestoppers number so their statements are in that still secret area of the files.

Or maybe, in some cases, they never got passed on to the PJ.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Are there thousands of pages not in the file on the internet?
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2018, 07:57:42 PM »
Or maybe, in some cases, they never got passed on to the PJ.

One of the things the McCanns seemed pleased with was that Operation Grange brought together all the scattered information in the case.. Ironically it was scattered in part because of their actions.



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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Are there thousands of pages not in the file on the internet?
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2018, 08:15:51 PM »
A simpler explanation would be that the people who gave those statements rang the Crimestoppers number so their statements are in that still secret area of the files.
So the statements not governed by judicial secrecy are the ones that ended up in the secret files?  How ironic.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Are there thousands of pages not in the file on the internet?
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2018, 08:26:42 PM »
So the statements not governed by judicial secrecy are the ones that ended up in the secret files?  How ironic.

As Portugal had (and has) supremacy judicial secrecy applied to all the evidence collected. When the decision was taken to archive the case some of the evidence remained under judicial secrecy for various reasons.

When Leicestershire Police released information to the McCanns before the case was archived it could be argued that they breached judicial secrecy. 
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Offline Brietta

Re: Are there thousands of pages not in the file on the internet?
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2018, 09:21:47 PM »
One of the things the McCanns seemed pleased with was that Operation Grange brought together all the scattered information in the case.. Ironically it was scattered in part because of their actions.

Please substantiate in which way information "was scattered in part because of their actions", thank you.
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Offline Sunny

Re: Are there thousands of pages not in the file on the internet?
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2018, 09:38:06 PM »
Misty wrote  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9913.msg478738#msg478738

"http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

Plenty of page numbers referenced in this report.
Proof also than thousands more pages are not on the internet."  End of quote.


Are there thousands of pages not in the file on the internet?

How did Misty come up with this number?

Please can Misty can provide a cite for these thousands of pages not on the internet.
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Offline misty

Re: Are there thousands of pages not in the file on the internet?
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2018, 09:47:02 PM »
Misty wrote  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9913.msg478738#msg478738

"http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

Plenty of page numbers referenced in this report.
Proof also than thousands more pages are not on the internet."  End of quote.


Are there thousands of pages not in the file on the internet?

How did Misty come up with this number?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

Before actually entering the appreciation of the present inquiry it is useful to take a summarised look at the enormous dimension of the inquiry which is constituted of 17 Volumes, with a global processing of approximately 4500 pages, 9 appendixes that are integrated by 55 Volumes, in which 12000 pages and other relevant pieces were gathered, analysed and treated; further 22 dossiers were constituted, with more than 5000 pages, concerning fanciful or senseless news, yet organised out of mere caution.

I'll leave someone else to do the maths & then add up all the pages on the DVD.

The official case file released to the public on DVD comprised 11,223 pages of documents in four parts:


The main case file (Processo: 17 volumes, 4,717 pages) supported by-

the file of sightings around the world (Apenso 5: 14 volumes, 2,550 pages),

other information appendices (Outro Apensos: 21 volumes, 3,407 pages) and

interviews conducted in England under a request for Mutual Legal Assistance.

(Cartas Rogatorias: 9 volumes, 549 pages. Total - 1.07GB.




NB There are many missing pages in Apensos & some in Outros Apensos.


Offline misty

Re: Are there thousands of pages not in the file on the internet?
« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2018, 09:49:08 PM »
Misty wrote  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9913.msg478738#msg478738

"http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

Plenty of page numbers referenced in this report.
Proof also than thousands more pages are not on the internet."  End of quote.


Are there thousands of pages not in the file on the internet?

How did Misty come up with this number?

You have misinterpreted what I posted.