Brexit has well and truly begun!

[Venturi Swirl]

A very interesting read. It explains why the motor and financial services sectors have been mentioned so often. As the largest exporters to the EU they are likely to be more affected, but there are other businesses who don't seem worried at all, not even by a no deal Brexit.

Does that include British farmers?

[Venturi Swirl]

I think a lot of people feel like you, totally disillusioned with the lot of them. If they get another vote they will want to teach the politicians a lesson, and voting out with no deal would be the obvious way to do it.

Then the GBP are even more stupid than previously feared. 

[G-Unit]

Then the GBP are even more stupid than previously feared. 

If we leave the EU with no deal and thrive outside the EU you're going to look very silly, aren't you?

[Carana]

If we leave the EU with no deal and thrive outside the EU you're going to look very silly, aren't you?

Are you aware of any plan that anyone has put forward, let alone is ready to implement (by someone who actually understands everything that needs to be put in place) that would enable the UK to thrive with a no-deal?

[G-Unit]

Are you aware of any plan that anyone has put forward, let alone is ready to implement (by someone who actually understands everything that needs to be put in place) that would enable the UK to thrive with a no-deal?

The UK can function if there's no deal.

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/how-to-prepare-if-the-uk-leaves-the-eu-with-no-deal

Farmers, for example, won't find their CAP payments coming to a halt on 29th March; the UK government will pay them instead.

[Carana]

The UK can function if there's no deal.

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/how-to-prepare-if-the-uk-leaves-the-eu-with-no-deal

Farmers, for example, won't find their CAP payments coming to a halt on 29th March; the UK government will pay them instead.

Out of the £350m per week for the NHS on the side of the bus?

[Venturi Swirl]

If we leave the EU with no deal and thrive outside the EU you're going to look very silly, aren't you?

If people vote for something that experts have warned will possibly wreck the economy solely to “teach politicians a lesson” then they are beyond stupid IMO. 

[Venturi Swirl]

The UK can function if there's no deal.

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/how-to-prepare-if-the-uk-leaves-the-eu-with-no-deal

Farmers, for example, won't find their CAP payments coming to a halt on 29th March; the UK government will pay them instead.

What the hell is Michael Gove (Leaver) on about then?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/03/no-deal-brexit-would-cause-turbulence-for-farmers-says-gove

[G-Unit]

What the hell is Michael Gove (Leaver) on about then?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/03/no-deal-brexit-would-cause-turbulence-for-farmers-says-gove

Most of our food exports consist of highly processed products rather than raw commidities. That suggests that farmers sell their products elsewhere.
 https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/515048/food-farming-stats-release-07apr16.pdf

[Venturi Swirl]

Most of our food exports consist of highly processed products rather than raw commidities. That suggests that farmers sell their products elsewhere.
 https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/515048/food-farming-stats-release-07apr16.pdf

And?

[Carana]

If people vote for something that experts have warned will possibly wreck the economy solely to “teach politicians a lesson” then they are beyond stupid IMO.

Monty Python and the Black Knight...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmInkxbvlCs

[Carana]

Most of our food exports consist of highly processed products rather than raw commidities. That suggests that farmers sell their products elsewhere.
 https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/515048/food-farming-stats-release-07apr16.pdf

You might be right, but I don't see how your second statement necessarily follows from the first one.

Aside from domestic consumption and exports of raw commodities, presumably some farmers sell raw ingredients (off the top of my head: the grains needed for Scotch whisky, for example) to UK manufacturers who then export the processed products.

I think it would be misleading to assume that those farmers (the raw ingredient suppliers to UK manufacturers) wouldn't be affected by a no-deal. IMO, they would be as tariffs for non-EU members on processed foods are generally considerably higher than for "raw" (fresh / frozen) produce.

Norway (non-EU, but with EFTA benefits) exports fresh salmon to Poland for processing. Lower wages are one factor but so is the export tariff which is lower (2% for fresh / frozen) versus 13% if it were to export the salmon already smoked. As an EU member, Poland can then export the smoked salmon to other EU countries tariff-free.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-norway-salmon/norway-satisfies-eu-smoked-salmon-appetite-through-polish-back-door-idUKKCN0WI1VH

There is also the issue of tariff quotas (higher tariffs for nationwide exports of whatever over a certain quota), plus seasonal tariffs on fresh produce. I'll add a link if I find it again, but for example the tariffs for lemons / oranges from non-EU countries are much higher when EU produce (e.g. from Spain) is ripe for picking (winter for lemons). Off-season (summer in the northern hemisphere) tariffs for non-EU countries are lower.

[G-Unit]

If people vote for something that experts have warned will possibly wreck the economy solely to “teach politicians a lesson” then they are beyond stupid IMO.

Unless, of course, the 'experts' are exaggerating or just plain wrong. If people don't trust them it might be their own fault, too.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/the-real-reason-that-we-don-t-trust-experts-a7126536.html

[Venturi Swirl]

Unless, of course, the 'experts' are exaggerating or just plain wrong. If people don't trust them it might be their own fault, too.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/the-real-reason-that-we-don-t-trust-experts-a7126536.html

But you are a firm advocate of deferring to expert opinion, at least in certain fields, are you not?

[Carana]

Just a general article on trading on WTO terms.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/analysis-and-features/brexit-wto-terms-rules-theresa-may-deal-eu-world-trade-organisation-peter-lilley-a8668311.html

And a link to a short and accessible booklet: What would ‘trading on WTO terms’ mean?
http://ukandeu.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/What-would-trading-on-WTO-terms-mean.pdf