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Offline The General

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #1395 on: May 01, 2019, 03:55:36 PM »
I've already blown his theory out... How did Maddie die between 8.30 and 10....rolling off the sofa... Banging her head and dying... Not possible
Nah, let's focus on this facet of the theory. Just the blood thing. We can do the head thing later.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #1396 on: May 01, 2019, 03:56:20 PM »
Just the concept. Let's start with whether it is possible for 'blood' to be in a state whereby it can seep from a corpse post mortem, under prolonged refrigerated conditions. If it's impossible, show me, and I'll dismiss this 'evidence' immediately. I'll may even proselytise (Brietta) = because it's the basis of his whole case. He seems very sure of his facts for a man who probably knows very little about this niche subject of post mortem hematological coagulation upon induced temperature lowering. Just flew that kite to the world, even wrote a goddam book based on it. The bolas on the guy.
TBH, it's not my specialist subject but if I ever have a need to keep a corpse in a fridge for 23 days I'll be sure to let you know.  Meanwhile, we do have an expert on dead bodies on this forum (seems to know alot about mortuaries and the like) but he or she is keeping quite a low profile these days.  Perhaps they will chip in with their two pence worth presently. 
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #1397 on: May 01, 2019, 03:58:08 PM »
Just the concept. Let's start with whether it is possible for 'blood' to be in a state whereby it can seep from a corpse post mortem, under prolonged refrigerated conditions. If it's impossible, show me, and I'll dismiss this 'evidence' immediately. I'll may even proselytise (Brietta) = because it's the basis of his whole case. He seems very sure of his facts for a man who probably knows very little about this niche subject of post mortem hematological coagulation upon induced temperature lowering. Just flew that kite to the world, even wrote a goddam book based on it. The bolas on the guy.
Blood doesn't seep from a corpse... As your link showed... The blood deep inside had to be accessed

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #1398 on: May 01, 2019, 04:01:11 PM »
Nah, let's focus on this facet of the theory. Just the blood thing. We can do the head thing later.

You can if you want... Why should we talk about any bleeding frozen cirose when there is zero chance of if it existing..
I prefer to discuss the evidence... When blood has been identified it might be worth discussing how it got there

Offline The General

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #1399 on: May 01, 2019, 04:04:01 PM »
TBH, it's not my specialist subject but if I ever have a need to keep a corpse in a fridge for 23 days I'll be sure to let you know.  Meanwhile, we do have an expert on dead bodies on this forum (seems to know alot about mortuaries and the like) but he or she is keeping quite a low profile these days.  Perhaps they will chip in with their two pence worth presently.
I'm genuinely interested. It is important (but not in real life and all that), it is a cornerstone that should really be scrutinised and either confirmed or dismissed.
And if you do need to keep a corpse in a fridge for 23 days make sure you put plenty of 50p's in the meter.
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Offline The General

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #1400 on: May 01, 2019, 04:04:55 PM »
You can if you want... Why should we talk about any bleeding frozen cirose when there is zero chance of if it existing..
I prefer to discuss the evidence... When blood has been identified it might be worth discussing how it got there
Ah well, we'll leave it there then. Can't say I'm not disappointed.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #1401 on: May 01, 2019, 04:14:23 PM »
I'm genuinely interested. It is important (but not in real life and all that), it is a cornerstone that should really be scrutinised and either confirmed or dismissed.
And if you do need to keep a corpse in a fridge for 23 days make sure you put plenty of 50p's in the meter.
I'm not a scientist but I can't imagine any reason why a refrigerated corpse would start bleeding after twenty three days when removed from the fridge, unless maybe it had a bloody wound.  Would falling off a sofa and banging your head (to death) cause a bloody wound?  Possible but highly unlikely IMO, as is his entire theory.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Brietta

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #1402 on: May 01, 2019, 04:27:15 PM »
I'm genuinely interested. It is important (but not in real life and all that), it is a cornerstone that should really be scrutinised and either confirmed or dismissed.
And if you do need to keep a corpse in a fridge for 23 days make sure you put plenty of 50p's in the meter.

I still don't know the meat and bones of Amaral's frozen thesis.  What is it and how does he think it was achieved?

I'll start you off ...
There needs to be a freezer ... right?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline The General

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #1403 on: May 01, 2019, 04:36:20 PM »
I'm not a scientist but I can't imagine any reason why a refrigerated corpse would start bleeding after twenty three days when removed from the fridge, unless maybe it had a bloody wound.  Would falling off a sofa and banging your head (to death) cause a bloody wound?  Possible but highly unlikely IMO, as is his entire theory.
Granted. Again, on the face of it, it seems like a right, old stretch of plausibility.
He's arrived at the only logical, albeit unlikely, conclusion, but won't have been alone in the process. It would have been ruminated upon by committee, then released.
Hence why I asked how was he so cock sure that it would stand up? Experienced as he was, he can't have known the intricacies of DNA transference (as Davel has pointed out at length), the relative decomposition (or otherwise) of a refrigerated corpse and the feasibility of logistics thereof, or the vagaries of the concept of 'reliability' of the dogs. Yet he steadfastly told the world his theory in great detail. Then wrote a book. Then lost almost everything. Then continued to propound the same theory irrespective. I know he's much maligned by supporters and why not, he's no role model, but he doesn't appear to be three parts mad to me.
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Offline jassi

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #1404 on: May 01, 2019, 04:37:42 PM »
Chest freezer would be ideal.
Under-worksurface  fridge with shelves removed and turned up to max might be adequate
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

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Offline The General

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #1405 on: May 01, 2019, 04:38:46 PM »
I still don't know the meat and bones of Amaral's frozen thesis.  What is it and how does he think it was achieved?

I'll start you off ...
There needs to be a freezer ... right?
Or a fridge. Hence why I asked whether simply arresting decomposition and coagulation is necessary, as opposed to deep freeze. So yes.....number one.....we're gonna a decent sized fridge / freezer.
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Offline The General

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #1406 on: May 01, 2019, 04:41:42 PM »
Chest freezer would be ideal.
Under-worksurface  fridge with shelves removed and turned up to max might be adequate
Where? Logistics of transporting a dead child to a secluded fridge where you are confident it wouldn't be discovered. Good luck with that on holiday, in a rented apartment and knowing very little about the place. And the police are going to be crawling around this place like a tramp on chips.
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Offline jassi

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #1407 on: May 01, 2019, 04:44:22 PM »
Where? Logistics of transporting a dead child to a secluded fridge where you are confident it wouldn't be discovered. Good luck with that on holiday, in a rented apartment and knowing very little about the place. And the police are going to be crawling around this place like a tramp on chips.

Yes, would be useful if you had a friend who had such an appliance, say in a handy garage, within carrying distance
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #1408 on: May 01, 2019, 05:38:26 PM »
I have never called you a paedophile, but you do run ghouls tours, fact.  You also have a "cadaver" dog which is ghoulish in itself IMO.   Furthermore you keep a blog with titles like "Madeleine - body decomposition" which is ghoulish and tasteless and completely unnecessary especially if you don't even consider yourself to be an armchair detective. IMO.   If you have a problem kindly report me to the authorities.  Have a nice day!  &^&*%

Fact.  I have never run a ghouls tour.  That's a complete figment of your imagination, and is obviously designed to be offensive.

Fact.  My blog differentiates between topics related to Madeleine and those which are not.  Those related to Madeleine would start with Madeleine in the title.  Again you are being offensive.

Keep it up and I will indeed report you to the authorities.
What's up, old man?

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #1409 on: May 01, 2019, 05:50:57 PM »
Does blood that is inside a corpse remain fresh for 23 days in a fridge?

Try cutting something like a chop that has been in your fridge for 23 days.

Of course it bleeds.
What's up, old man?