Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.

[pathfinder73]

After the bloke who buried it told The Police where to look.

And you know where police should first look without anyone telling them. The actual crime scene and as soon as Eddie entered it his behaviour changed!

[The General]

As I understand... One in six years

You try finding one body in 6 years under a sand dune, using just your hooter.

[Mr Gray]

You try finding one body in 6 years under a sand dune, using just your hooter.

I think if i ws employed with that record I wouldnt have a job for 6 years...The serious point im making is from what I have read teh dogs abilities have been vastly overstated ...why......someone who was retiring wanted to enhance his CV.....it cn be a very profitable business...lenny harper was very impressed with grime ..paid him a fortune...plus luxury hotel...what did the dogs achieve in Jersey...absolutely nothing

[pathfinder73]

One body is a lie Davel! Harron, Collier, Amanda Edwards.

"A no-fly zone was put in place and members of the Major Crime and Missing Persons Bureau in Hampshire, who played an important role in the Soham murder investigation, and a sniffer dog from South Yorkshire police, were brought in.

Shortly after 1pm the dog was reported to have started barking, giving rise to speculation that a body had been found."

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/apr/17/ukcrime

AMANDA EDWARDS

A missing person abducted by her ex-boyfriend.
Intelligence suggested that her ex-boyfriend had taken her to his house.
A search of the house resulted in small blood stains being recovered.
A search of nearby waste land identified a mattress. Checks revealed it came from the house.
The suspect, a builder, was in possession of a van. This was searched and the dog alerted to a 'wacker plate', spirit level, and shovel.
A site was identified where the suspect had been working. The EVRD then located
the body deposition site in an area of a garage base that had been prepared by the suspect. He had returned with the dead girl, dug a grave in the centre, placed the body in the hole, replaced the spoil and then used the shovel, wacker plate and spirit level to return the ground to its original state.
Forensic scientists were unable to confirm using chemical analysis.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_PERSONAL.htm

[The General]

I think if i ws employed with that record I wouldnt have a job for 6 years...The serious point im making is from what I have read teh dogs abilities have been vastly overstated ...why......someone who was retiring wanted to enhance his CV.....it cn be a very profitable business...lenny harper was very impressed with grime ..paid him a fortune...plus luxury hotel...what did the dogs achieve in Jersey...absolutely nothing

Interesting theory. How about being hoisted by your own petard? What would this desperate, penniless man do if his dogs had found nothing? He'd be professionally jiggered. As it is, he's generally viewed as a foremost proponent in his field and is quite in demand as a result.

[Mr Gray]

Interesting theory. How about being hoisted by your own petard? What would this desperate, penniless man do if his dogs had found nothing? He'd be professionally jiggered. As it is, he's generally viewed as a foremost proponent in his field and is quite in demand as a result.

could you provide a cite and source for your statement.....not including Grime himself

[The General]

could you provide a cite and source for your statement.....not including Grime himself

Yes, as soon as you provide one for your contention that he was only there to make a living post retirement.
Attacking the post, never the point. Go on, give it a go.

[Mr Gray]

Yes, as soon as you provide one for your contention that he was only there to make a living post retirement.
Attacking the post, never the point. Go on, give it a go.

I actually do   ...but I doubt the mods would allow it...from someone who claims to know him professionally....is it true...

[Mr Gray]

Yes, as soon as you provide one for your contention that he was only there to make a living post retirement.
Attacking the post, never the point. Go on, give it a go.

are you aware that grime used the video from pdl in a sales pitch to get the jersey job

[Brietta]

I actually do   ...but I doubt the mods would allow it...from someone who claims to know him professionally....is it true...

I think I know which one you refer to.  In my innocent early days on the forum I mentioned the name and was fried for my pains.
I for one would have to remove any reference based on that knowledge.
He knew his stuff but did not have the courage of his conviction by 'outing' himself into the public domain while claiming personal knowledge ... just not acceptable on a fact verifiable forum.

[Robittybob1]

As I understand... One in six years

Well it is a rare thing to find a dead body that is hidden.

[Mr Gray]

Well it is a rare thing to find a dead body that is hidden.

THere are  alot of claims about how wonderful these two dogs are...how valuable they are...so where is the evidence...where are the sussess stories in all the criminals they helped bring to trial...what we do know is the only cases we have details of....luz and jersey they found nothing that has been of any value

[Mr Gray]

Well it is a rare thing to find a dead body that is hidden.

shouldnt that be rather straightforward for an Enhanced Victim Recovery dog

....from Sky news 2011
Police sniffer dogs used to find missing people and dead bodies "urgently" need better training and monitoring, according to an official report.

The Government's National Policing Improvement Agency (NPIA) said specialist victim recovery dogs are not trained to approved standards, with no way of gauging their competence.

The NPIA reviewed the use of the specialist sniffer dogs two years ago, but its report has only now surfaced following a request by Sky News.

"There is no consistency in what the dogs can do and how it is done," the report states.

"Furthermore, there is no national standard for accrediting dogs and handlers or record keeping of the success rate they achieve."


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The report added the dogs, which are trained to detect the smell of dead bodies, have "the potential to cause complications in an inquiry".


"There is an urgent need to have national policy on their training, accreditation and deployment," it concluded.

[kizzy]

are you aware that grime used the video from pdl in a sales pitch to get the jersey job

Well in my opinion - he used the video as he thought the dogs were spot on.

[Mr Gray]

Sky have made a bit of a boo boo there. If there is no record keeping of the dog's success rate how can they possibly know there is no consistency in what the dogs can do, eh?

No records.. No record if consistency... The dogs have been presented as basically infallible... Where's the evidence