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[Mr Gray]

The point I'm making, if they were not keeping records of the success rate the dogs achieve, how could they possibly conclude anything about their consistency?

Valid criticisms, if true,  I agree... but without records to reference, it seems impossible to determine anything about the consistency of what the dogs can do. Without records, the dog's could have been as consistent as hell for all anyone knows.

So we don't know how consistent they are... So all these posters claiming if keela alerts blood must be present are talking rubbish

[G-Unit]

shouldnt that be rather straightforward for an Enhanced Victim Recovery dog

....from Sky news 2011
Police sniffer dogs used to find missing people and dead bodies "urgently" need better training and monitoring, according to an official report.

The Government's National Policing Improvement Agency (NPIA) said specialist victim recovery dogs are not trained to approved standards, with no way of gauging their competence.

The NPIA reviewed the use of the specialist sniffer dogs two years ago, but its report has only now surfaced following a request by Sky News.

"There is no consistency in what the dogs can do and how it is done," the report states.

"Furthermore, there is no national standard for accrediting dogs and handlers or record keeping of the success rate they achieve."


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The report added the dogs, which are trained to detect the smell of dead bodies, have "the potential to cause complications in an inquiry".


"There is an urgent need to have national policy on their training, accreditation and deployment," it concluded.

I thought ACPO, which tests and licences police dogs, was a national body. Were the NPIA criticising the standards they set and tested to?

[Mr Gray]

I thought ACPO, which tests and licences police dogs, was a national body. Were the NPIA criticising the standards they set and tested to?

Does ACPO test individual dogs... Do you have a cite

[Mr Gray]

Exactly... and we have all these others posters claiming how crap (I OK'd the use of crap with John) the dogs are.... One things for certain... despite being given countless opportunities to choose to alert at other locations, the dogs in the McCann case CONSISTENTLY chose to alert to locations that were all associated with the family of the one missing child.

That's a funny old example of consistency that only fools could ignore imo.

I've explained why the dogs only alerted to things McCann... Quoting the police files.. I've no intention of doing it again..
And I've never said the dogs are crap..an never seen then described SD crap... Stop posting rubbish

[Mr Gray]

Don't start getting cheeky wee man, hit a nerve have I. I never said Davel said they were crap, did I?
An alive Madeleine McCann is the only example that will convince me that your so called explanations weren't rubbish. Didn't stop you posting them though did it?

I couldn't care if you are never convinced... Some of us understand the alerts and some dont..

Wee man my Rs... Your arrogance is only surpassed by your ignorance

[Mr Gray]

Some think they understand the alerts but none of them have proved they can.
 

I can prove I do...

[Eleanor]

Can we cut the added Insults please.  Editing them out is a pain.  So I might be forced to Delete the Whole Comment.

[Mr Gray]

Wee man is a term applied to those I consider my friends. Do you want me to edit it out? I certainly didn't add it to offend you
I can't help the fact I'm Glaswegian, Eastend of, born and bred.

If you want to turn on me fair enough but I will always remember the support you gave me when I was falsely accused of calling someone a cow.

Back to you?

Sorry... It's considered an insult where I am...
According to the experts... Grime etc... The dogs point to where investigors... Should look fir evidence but are not evidence in themself... I do blame Grime for allowing the digs abilities to be totally misrepresented... But there again he had a business to promote

[G-Unit]

Does ACPO test individual dogs... Do you have a cite

ACPO is in charge.

https://www.essex.police.uk/getmedia/7fcd05bf-0f91-4954-b7ea-f697377ab9f0/I0200-Policy-Dogs.pdf

[Mr Gray]

ACPO is in charge.

https://www.essex.police.uk/getmedia/7fcd05bf-0f91-4954-b7ea-f697377ab9f0/I0200-Policy-Dogs.pdf

At a quick glance it doesn't mention testing so you have failed to provide a cite

[Mr Gray]

Let's start at the beginning so I know what you are talking about.
What do you think you understand about the dog alerts?

It isnt what I understand its what the experts say...from my post above..

According to the experts... Grime etc... The dogs point to where investigors... Should look for evidence but are not evidence in themself... I do blame Grime for allowing the digs abilities to be totally misrepresented... But there again he had a business to promote...

the cadaver alerts are not evidence that maddie died in the apartment.....that is a fact...sceptics think they are

[Mr Gray]

Ah... right you mean they are not evidence that can be used in court. I think all of us understands that.
Whether you like it or not it is evidence that people can use to form an opinion though. I find the consistency of the alerts particularly telling in forming my opinion. I know they don't prove Madeleine is dead but they do convince me she is, given one else had died in the apartment or in Kate's trousers. I would love for nothing more than an alive Madeleine McCann to prove my opinion is wrong.

not evidence...full stop...harrison went further...saying ...no inferences can be drawn from the alerts..

there is no time for death and cadaverine to form..between 8.30 and 10...why do you think SY and teh PJ are ignoring them

[The General]

not evidence...full stop...harrison went further...saying ...no inferences can be drawn from the alerts..

there is no time for death and cadaverine to form..between 8.30 and 10...why do you think SY and teh PJ are ignoring them

Not true. Who was the last dude to see her alive? Payne? And his wholly convincing and totally corroborative account of 'visiting' Kate. So who knows what that timeline is?

[Mr Gray]

You sound like a Sargeant Major from the thought police, It IS evidence that I can consider... full stop.
I don't care what Harrison says... I'm drawing inferences and that's all there is to it.

you can draw all the incorrect inferences you like...but yu will arrive at an incorrect answer

[Eleanor]

Reference from another Thread regarding Insults also applies here and elsewhere.