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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #2190 on: May 12, 2019, 07:59:58 PM »
True I repeating the often used phrase "dogs don't know how to lie".    As a vet I have not studied whether animals lie.

I'm thinking about my cattle and horses, they certainly make errors and the ones following the leader might think the leader was lying but then they would need to blame themselves for following that leader.

Walk to water but the trough is dry, was the leader lying?
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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #2191 on: May 12, 2019, 08:48:30 PM »
True I repeating the often used phrase "dogs don't know how to lie".    As a vet I have not studied whether animals lie.

I'm thinking about my cattle and horses, they certainly make errors and the ones following the leader might think the leader was lying but then they would need to blame themselves for following that leader.

Walk to water but the trough is dry, was the leader lying?

I didn't know you were a vet, most interesting, thanks for sharing.

I don't know about all dogs, but I would think most are what I would consider to be surprisingly intelligent.

Sheepdogs for example are trained not to attack sheep, but to herd them in response to commands.

I remember seeing a border collie on TV once.  It could recognise which one of its 300 toys was requested by his owner.  It could also recognise the toys by groups.  For example, if the owner requested a flying toy, or a yellow toy, the dog was free to choose what it wanted from those categories.  It also understood 10 or 12 commands.

Intelligent doggie!
What's up, old man?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #2192 on: May 12, 2019, 09:03:31 PM »
It will be all to do with rewards.  Dog gets it right you give him a reward.

My cat does that to me, she trains me to give her what she wants and then rewards me by allowing me to pat her.
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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #2193 on: May 12, 2019, 09:37:02 PM »
It will be all to do with rewards.  Dog gets it right you give him a reward.

My cat does that to me, she trains me to give her what she wants and then rewards me by allowing me to pat her.

My dog 'speaks' to me frequently.

He tells when it is time for me to get up.  He tells me when he wants to play.  He tells me when he wants a cuddle.  He tells my beloved that he needs to go out for his ablutions.  He tells me that I need to refill his water bowl, and when he wants me to cook a meal for him.  He tells me when he wants to go walkies, and when he would prefer to socialise with others.

I know for a fact that when my beloved flies off to England for medical treatment shortly, he will tell me when he wants to go into her room, and en-suite, to check if she is at home.

He doesn't yet understand Yellowfish, the taxi service to and from Faro airport.  And he doesn't understand mobile phones.  On my better half's last visit to England, I got one of her 'check-ins' on my mobile.  So I unflapped his lug, and put the phone to his ear.  He couldn't imagine why a person of my beloved's size could fit into such a small handset.

Mind you, he loved it, so all was well!
What's up, old man?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #2194 on: May 12, 2019, 10:55:16 PM »
"Throughout the investigation, we subjected Martin and his dogs to many ‘verifying’ tests, from burying swabs in sand (which he always found no matter how large an area), to minute blood stains. The dogs never failed. Many of these tests were carried out in front of Jersey politicians and media, including Channel Television and Diane Simon of the JEP. Frank Walker and Andrew Lewis were only two of the politicians who witnessed the ability of the dogs in hugely impressive displays."

"The first indication that the dog (Eddie) is finding something amiss. His behaviour has changed, and is remarked on by the handler. He is initially reacting further down from where we were to eventually find the initial fragment, (which ILM and others still incorrectly claim to be definitively identified as coconut) and in the flow of the drainage from the area where it was found. To clarify, Eddie is trained to trace the scent of dead human flesh. He will react where this scent is found, not necessarily where it was originally located. His strongest reaction will normally be where that scent is strongest, which will usually be where the dead flesh has lain longest, but he will sense it in areas where the scent has been carried, for instance, by drains."

"Now Eddie has just left the wall adjoining the stair area where he reacted earlier. The drains in the building run from those stairs, under the adjoining wall, and down the room where we are now standing. As the dog is trained to detect the scent of dead human flesh, he is now following the strong scent emanating from the other side of the wall and being carried in the drains under the floor of this room and down the room towards the corridor seen earlier in the video."

"Note the dog’s return to the wall. This was almost the exact spot where JAR/6 was found. It is a few inches from where the builders found the bones which they thought were human and which they were told about, “Let bygones be bygones.” If this dog was a waste of money, then how did he lead us to this exact spot? How did he later, in the ‘live’ presence of Wendy Kinnard (the then Home Affairs Minister) and Graham Power (the then Chief Police Officer), lead us to the bones in the cellars which an Anthropologist in the United Kingdom said were “fleshed and fresh” when burnt and buried? It cannot be a co-incidence that this dog, trained to detect the scent of dead human flesh, reacted so strongly in an area where we were to find a fragment of substance initially identified by a professional, accomplished, Anthropologist, as a part of a child’s skull, and right beside the spot where builders found bones and children’s shoes which they thought were human bones. No amount of spin by Le Marquand and others can contradict this, and no amount of misinformation from Warcup and Gradwell can conceal this truth."

"This is the live video, filmed on a mobile phone as it happened. The film was made by the Homicide Search Advisor of the National Policing Improvement Agency, on his mobile phone. He was to later say that the way we had carried out the search of HDLG was a “shining example” and should be documented as an example of good practice. Where has this recommendation been lost in the mists? The reactions of the dog speak for themselves. Eddie is not telling us that murder was committed at HDLG. He is telling us that somewhere in the floor-space of the premises; the scent of human death has been present. He is telling us that there is something there for us to investigate. His findings have been corroborated by the finding of the bones and teeth, by the results of the surveys carried out by the most sophisticated of electronic geological equipment, and by the evidence of builders and former residents and victims of abuse in HDLG. This video totally contradicts the spin of Frank Walker, Andrew Lewis and Diane Simon of the Jersey Evening Post, all of whom were taken on a tour of the building and given a demonstration of the ability and capability of Eddie and his companion "Keela" the blood detection dog. All of them were aware of the true situation relating to the dog and the finds. All of them, for their own reasons, chose to ignore the truth and to peddle the myths of those seeking to discredit the victims of the horrific abuse within HDLG. They are now, in my opinion, exposed as craven cowards and not fit to lick those victims’ boots. As for Martin Grime and the dogs that they have tried to discredit, they are now working full time for one of the best Law Enforcement Agencies in the world in the USA."

http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.com/2012_03_01_archive.html
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Brietta

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #2195 on: May 12, 2019, 11:39:31 PM »
"Throughout the investigation, we subjected Martin and his dogs to many ‘verifying’ tests, from burying swabs in sand (which he always found no matter how large an area), to minute blood stains. The dogs never failed. Many of these tests were carried out in front of Jersey politicians and media, including Channel Television and Diane Simon of the JEP. Frank Walker and Andrew Lewis were only two of the politicians who witnessed the ability of the dogs in hugely impressive displays." .................
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http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.com/2012_03_01_archive.html

I can give you a cite ... and not from a red top either ... that the remains of five children were found in the former children's home at Haute de la Garenne in Jersey.

It quite simply is not true.  It merely reflects the misinformation passed directly and openly from the police to the media which coming from such an impeccable source engendered the press hysteria of the time.
It was all unfounded.

Even children who are in care have people who love and care for them.  Local authorities keep records of children in care.  Not one child resident in Haute de la Garenne is unaccounted for let alone five.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline kizzy

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #2196 on: May 13, 2019, 11:03:58 AM »
Why - what if you don't believe Maddie was abducted.

You are not in a position to tell posters what to do - just because of your beliefs.
« Last Edit: May 13, 2019, 01:34:55 PM by Angelo222 »

Offline kizzy

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #2197 on: May 13, 2019, 11:10:40 AM »
Yes let's get back to the mcns - where it seems there is no set in stone proof that Maddie was abducted 
« Last Edit: May 13, 2019, 01:35:34 PM by Angelo222 »

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #2198 on: May 13, 2019, 11:10:57 AM »
Why - what if you don't believe Maddie was abducted.

You are not in a position to tell posters what to do - just because of your beliefs.

then you are casting aspersions on the mccanns...im not telling anyone what to do...you can do what you like within the law...i dont really care

Offline carlymichelle

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #2199 on: May 13, 2019, 11:12:08 AM »
Yes let's get back to the mcns - where it seems there is no set in stone proof that Maddie was abducted

exactly

Offline kizzy

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #2200 on: May 13, 2019, 11:16:03 AM »
then you are casting aspersions on the mccanns...im not telling anyone what to do...you can do what you like within the law...i dont really care



then you are casting aspersions on the mccanns


So what - am I suppose to care about that just because you don't like it.

Offline carlymichelle

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #2201 on: May 13, 2019, 11:17:13 AM »


then you are casting aspersions on the mccanns


So what - am I suppose to care about that just because you don't like it.

kate and gerry made their own bed  so to  speak  maddie and the twins    were  the  victims

Offline barrier

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #2202 on: May 13, 2019, 11:17:44 AM »
Yes let's get back to the mcns - where it seems there is no set in stone proof that Maddie was abducted

Oh it is,there's an open window don't you know.
This is my own private domicile and I shall not be harassed, biatch:Jesse Pinkman Character.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #2203 on: May 13, 2019, 11:18:36 AM »


then you are casting aspersions on the mccanns


So what - am I suppose to care about that just because you don't like it.

who said I expect you to care....i dont care what you say...within the law

Offline carlymichelle

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #2204 on: May 13, 2019, 11:18:59 AM »
Oh it is,there's an open window don't you know.

i  didnt know windows abducted  people?? ?{)(**