Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.

[Mr Gray]

In my opinion you are wrong. Keela alerted and evidence was recovered from the places where she alerted.  Her alerts were , therefore, confirmed, corroberated, verified, endorsed, ratified, validated, or certified. Grime's choice of words are immaterial.

As you correctly say... In your opinion... I think Grimes words are very important

[Eleanor]

In my opinion you are wrong. Keela alerted and evidence was recovered from the places where she alerted.  Her alerts were , therefore, confirmed, corroberated, verified, endorsed, ratified, validated, or certified. Grime's choice of words are immaterial.

That Keela alerted to something, but no one seems sure of what it was.

Keela found something, Your Honour.

[Robittybob1]

the cite you have given says...where the dogs(plural) alerted...there was confirmation by positive results..


If you want to beleive hat confirmation equals corroboration.....then grime is saying both dogs alerts are corroborated...that clearly  is not true.....

confirmation cannot equal coroborrtaion

Eddie identifies an area for Keela to search within.  Keela finds a specific spot to test forensically.  If DNA results in the test then both Keela and Eddie are confirmed.

[Eleanor]

Eddie identifies an area for Keela to search within.  Keela finds a specific spot to test forensically.  If DNA results in the test then both Keela and Eddie are confirmed.

As what?

[Robittybob1]

Whose DNA?

We don't know as yet.  Plenty of times DNA is found at a crime scene that can't be matched at the time.  If it is blood the victim doesn't need to be dead to get a response from the EVRD and CSI dogs.

[Mr Gray]

Eddie identifies an area for Keela to search within.  Keela finds a specific spot to test forensically.  If DNA results in the test then both Keela and Eddie are confirmed.

Confirmed what...

[G-Unit]

That Keela alerted to something, but no one seems sure of what it was.

Keela found something, Your Honour.

The question I was dealing with is whether Keela's alerts were confirmed. The answer is yes they were; DNA was recovered. Keela did her job. Whether what she found was useful is another question entirely and one which has nothing to do with Grime or his dogs.

[Robittybob1]

As what?

I missed the words alerts are confirmed.  "Eddie identifies an area for Keela to search within.  Keela finds a specific spot to test forensically.  If DNA results in the test then according to Martin Grime both Keela and Eddie's alerts are confirmed."
He has confirmation they weren't just barking at nothing at that spot.  Note: Not all sites were confirmed.  Not all items or areas were tested forensically.

[G-Unit]

As you correctly say... In your opinion... I think Grimes words are very important

Dog alerts. Samples are taken. Samples are tested. Human DNA is found.
Question; was the DNA found by chance or because the dog detected it?

[ShiningInLuz]

The question I was dealing with is whether Keela's alerts were confirmed. The answer is yes they were; DNA was recovered. Keela did her job. Whether what she found was useful is another question entirely and one which has nothing to do with Grime or his dogs.

Yes indeed.

My doggie, Gonçalo,  is a cadaver dog.  He alerts to cadavers.

He is not trained to be a member of a CSI team.

Nor a member of an FSS team.

Nor a member of the GNR or PJ.

His 'job' starts and ends with alerting to the cadaver.  It's up to others to do all the police bits.

[Robittybob1]

Dog alerts. Samples are taken. Samples are tested. Human DNA is found.
Question; was the DNA found by chance or because the dog detected it?

The point I have been trying to make is these dogs do not detect DNA.  Keela trained to smell dried human blood and Eddie was trained to detect human decomposition.

It is hard for even I can see the problem - is the smell the dogs sense really associated with the person from whom the DNA originated.

[Eleanor]

Yes indeed.

My doggie, Gonçalo,  is a cadaver dog.  He alerts to cadavers.

He is not trained to be a member of a CSI team.

Nor a member of an FSS team.

Nor a member of the GNR or PJ.

His 'job' starts and ends with alerting to the cadaver.  It's up to others to do all the police bits.

Are you getting any good Road Kill out of this?

[Mr Gray]

The question I was dealing with is whether Keela's alerts were confirmed. The answer is yes they were; DNA was recovered. Keela did her job. Whether what she found was useful is another question entirely and one which has nothing to do with Grime or his dogs.

Confirmed but not corroborated... If you think they are... Then you are contradicting grime

[ShiningInLuz]

Are you getting any good Road Kill out of this?

Unfortunately not.

There is a chicken 'farm' just up the hill from us.

Chickens are left to run free, and that includes the 'main' road.

My wife steadfastly refuses to run down any of them.  She is still hot on her emergency stops.

[Robittybob1]

Confirmed but not corroborated... If you think they are... Then you are contradicting grime

DNA was one of the physical corroborations..  It does not confirm Madeleine died, it doesn't corroborate that.  So what does it point to?  Is there another unknown victim involved?    There were two men seen carrying children around, were the children different kids?   What makes us think they were the same kids, What makes us think one of them was Madeleine?