Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.

[Mr Gray]

Oh dear.  Bit of Portugal bashing?

Was it in the Mark Saunokonoko podcasts?

Does it have anything to do with Madeleine?

Just wondering.

it has to do with the portuguese justice system

[faithlilly]

this wsnt one persons fault.....Ellie was with her parents for 11 months...what were the social workers doing..

Butler did not have a guilty verdict against him...the portuguese rapist did

So it was the judge’s fault...so no shame attached to the country.

[Eleanor]

this wsnt one persons fault.....Ellie was with her parents for 11 months...what were the social workers doing..

Butler did not have a guilty verdict against him...the portuguese rapist did

The Standard Social workers were not allowed to visit or interfere because a supposedly specialist organisation was supposedly monitoring the situation.  And Ben Butler just hollered discrimination if anyone tried.
That poor little girl was left to endure an awful eleven months.  And then she was murdered.

I hope Justice Hogg has nightmares.

[Mr Gray]

The Standard Social workers were not allowed to visit or interfere because a supposedly specialist organisation was supposedly monitoring the situation.  And Ben Butler just hollered discrimination if anyone tried.
That poor little girl was left to endure an awful eleven months.  And then she was murdered.

I hope Justice Hogg has nightmares.

I dont think its JUST her fault....butlers conviction was overturned ,,, the court deemed him not guilty....in the portuguese case the rapist was found guilty and still not punished ...I presume Justic Hogg thought the situation would be monitored

[ShiningInLuz]

it has to do with the portuguese justice system

Ah, ducked the questions.

Does that surprise me?

[Venturi Swirl]

Up to you.

If I could show that a body was dismembered, I would strongly suspect more than occultation.

Remember talking about cutting the body up and feeding it to the pigs?

If not, your memory is short indeed.

Of course I remember, but I don’t follow your logic.  Why does dismembering suggest more than occultation whereas hiding in a bin doesn’t?  Remember also that the PJ suspected a body hidden for weeks and then transported in a car which IMO is just as macabre as dismemberment as it involves revisiting thr corpse and handling it weeks after death. 

[faithlilly]

I dont think its JUST her fault....butlers conviction was overturned ,,, the court deemed him not guilty....in the portuguese case the rapist was found guilty and still not punished ...I presume Justic Hogg thought the situation would be monitored

So let us take another case...Mr Nessling was found with thousands of images of child abuse on his computer. He received a suspended sentence. What do you think of the system of justice that let that happen ?

[Venturi Swirl]

So let us take another case...Mr Nessling was found with thousands of images of child abuse on his computer. He received a suspended sentence. What do you think of the system of justice that let that happen ?

Do you think Nessling’s crime is equal to that of committing a violent rape?

[ShiningInLuz]

Of course I remember, but I don’t follow your logic.  Why does dismembering suggest more than occultation whereas hiding in a bin doesn’t?  Remember also that the PJ suspected a body hidden for weeks and then transported in a car which IMO is just as macabre as dismemberment as it involves revisiting thr corpse and handling it weeks after death.

I don't need to remember what the PJ might or might not have suggested.

All it takes is Madeleine's death, then disposal of the body in a nearby wheelie bin.

For guests, I am NOT asserting this is what happened.

Why did Cipriano get 20 years?  It definitely wasn't for body occultation.

Pony up!

[Mr Gray]

So let us take another case...Mr Nessling was found with thousands of images of child abuse on his computer. He received a suspended sentence. What do you think of the system of justice that let that happen ?

that seems to be the norm....s uspended sentence for a violent rape...isnt

[Venturi Swirl]

I don't need to remember what the PJ might or might not have suggested.

All it takes is Madeleine's death, then disposal of the body in a nearby wheelie bin.

For guests, I am NOT asserting this is what happened.

Why did Cipriano get 20 years?  It definitely wasn't for body occultation.

Pony up!

100% deflection.

[Mr Gray]

I don't need to remember what the PJ might or might not have suggested.

All it takes is Madeleine's death, then disposal of the body in a nearby wheelie bin.

For guests, I am NOT asserting this is what happened.

Why did Cipriano get 20 years?  It definitely wasn't for body occultation.

Pony up!

Im not sure they actually told her
it was for admitting to something having been beaten black and blue by the PJ ...as was proven in court..
Joannas fate is unknown

[faithlilly]

that seems to be the norm....s uspended sentence for a violent rape...isnt

Seems to be the norm ? Does that make it acceptable?

A violent rape, while appalling, is a one victim crime. Viewing images of child abuse perpetrates the abuse of possibly millions of children.

[ShiningInLuz]

100% deflection.

No answer after 3 requests?

What does that tell guests?

 

[ShiningInLuz]

Im not sure they actually told her
it was for admitting to something having been beaten black and blue by the PJ ...as was proven in court..
Joannas fate is unknown

Not the Cipriano case on this Madeleine forum again?

Take it to the Cipriano forum.