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Offline jassi

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4155 on: June 11, 2019, 05:44:43 PM »
Quote from: Robittybob1 on June 11, 2019, 05:41:34 PM
Cite please.  How do you come by such knowledge?

Don't be silly.

Shall I add IMO to my post 
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4156 on: June 11, 2019, 05:55:13 PM »
Quote from: jassi on June 11, 2019, 05:44:43 PM
Don't be silly.

Shall I add IMO to my post
That is the option, and don't you call me silly.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4157 on: June 11, 2019, 06:01:42 PM »
Quote from: Cheeky Monkey on June 11, 2019, 06:00:03 PM
Why would you have to arrest Robert Murat and all the others? It was just the tapas mob who refused to cooperate. Robert Murat never exercised his right to shut his trap, it was only Katie.
I thought we attempting to construct a timeline?  Is this dependent only on then testimony of the Tapas group? 
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Offline The General

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4158 on: June 11, 2019, 06:10:02 PM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 11, 2019, 05:35:50 PM
So, who are you arresting and interviewing under caution?  The Tapas group obviously, but what about the staff, the nannies, Jez Wilkins, Robert Murat, Pamela Fenn?  Their stories all need to mesh together to make a perfect timeline too you know.
You don't need to arrest anyone. You ask them to volunteer and the interview is conducted voluntarily. They can refuse, of course, but if they do give an interview, then you can subsequently interview them under caution as a suspect.
Pamela Fenn is deceased, last time I checked.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4159 on: June 11, 2019, 06:11:00 PM »
Quote from: Cheeky Monkey on June 11, 2019, 06:00:03 PM
Why would you have to arrest Robert Murat and all the others? It was just the tapas mob who refused to cooperate. Robert Murat never exercised his right to shut his trap, it was only Katie.
One of the rights an arguido had was to not answer a question.
Another of the rights they had was to lie.

They are not being asked to tell the truth and they are not giving their statement under oath.  It was the witness statements that were taken under oath.  (Liable to be charged with perjury if proven to be untruthful - something like that.)
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4160 on: June 11, 2019, 06:13:14 PM »
Quote from: Robittybob1 on June 11, 2019, 06:11:00 PM
One of the rights an arguido had was to not answer a question.
Another of the rights they had was to lie.

They are not being asked to tell the truth and they are not giving their statement under oath.  It was the witness statements that were taken under oath.  (Liable to be charged with perjury if proven to be untruthful - something like that.)

Wot?  Like Amaral do you mean?
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4161 on: June 11, 2019, 06:13:31 PM »
Quote from: The General on June 11, 2019, 06:10:02 PM
You don't need to arrest anyone. You ask them to volunteer and the interview is conducted voluntarily. They can refuse, of course, but if they do give an interview, then you can subsequently interview them under caution as a suspect.
Pamela Fenn is deed, last time I checked.
In Portugal you have to be constituted an arguido to be interviewed under caution.  So you’d make everyone who was a witness to events that night an arguido?  And once you’re an arguido you can refuse to answer any questions anyway.  . 
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4162 on: June 11, 2019, 06:14:44 PM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 11, 2019, 06:13:31 PM
In Portugal you have to be constituted an arguido to be interviewed under caution.  So you’d make everyone who was a witness to events that night an arguido?  And once you’re an arguido you can refuse to answer any questions anyway.  .

Absolutely.  End Of.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4163 on: June 11, 2019, 06:17:06 PM »
Quote from: Cheeky Monkey on June 11, 2019, 06:06:28 PM
Im asking why you’d have to arrest Robert Murat and all the others who did cooperate? Was Robert Murat eating dinner at the tapas?
It is important to know what everyone was doing that night.  Do they have an alibi and can that alibi be supported.
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Offline jassi

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4164 on: June 11, 2019, 06:18:20 PM »
Quote from: Robittybob1 on June 11, 2019, 06:17:06 PM
It is important to know what everyone was doing that night.  Do they have an alibi and can that alibi be supported.


Everyone  - what the whole of PDL and environs ?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4165 on: June 11, 2019, 06:19:42 PM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 11, 2019, 06:13:31 PM
In Portugal you have to be constituted an arguido to be interviewed under caution.  So you’d make everyone who was a witness to events that night an arguido?  And once you’re an arguido you can refuse to answer any questions anyway.  .
They need to be interviewed as a witness ( that is under oath) but interviewed in depth.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4166 on: June 11, 2019, 06:20:29 PM »
Quote from: Robittybob1 on June 11, 2019, 06:19:42 PM
They need to be interviewed as a witness ( that is under oath) but interviewed in depth.
They were.
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Offline The General

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4167 on: June 11, 2019, 06:21:26 PM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 11, 2019, 06:13:31 PM
In Portugal you have to be constituted an arguido to be interviewed under caution.  So you’d make everyone who was a witness to events that night an arguido?  And once you’re an arguido you can refuse to answer any questions anyway.  .
Yes, quite. I thought we were considering LP conducting a reconstruction / re-interview process.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4168 on: June 11, 2019, 06:22:21 PM »
Quote from: jassi on June 11, 2019, 06:18:20 PM

Everyone  - what the whole of PDL and environs ?
Door to door canvasing is common in police tactics.
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Offline The General

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4169 on: June 11, 2019, 06:22:38 PM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 11, 2019, 06:20:29 PM
They were.
I think that's the issue. Not in depth enough. The discrepancies should have been revisited.
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