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Offline Erngath

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4410 on: June 13, 2019, 11:44:52 PM »
How can it be true when we KNOW she was neither missing nor dead. The only people who could have smuggled her out of the country were her parents. Is this really your best example with which to compare Madeline's disappearance? Honestly?

Did YOU know at the beginning of her disappearance that she was neither missing nor dead?
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4411 on: June 14, 2019, 12:02:52 AM »
How can it be true when we KNOW she was neither missing nor dead. The only people who could have smuggled her out of the country were her parents. Is this really your best example with which to compare Madeline's disappearance? Honestly?
It seems you are unwilling or unable to understand.  Do you understand the word “if”?  Yes we know Shannon was found but at the time of the cadaver alert the police had not found her, ergo she was missing.  The comparison IS valid, it’s just you refuse to accept it,  for reasons I can guess at.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4412 on: June 14, 2019, 12:05:04 AM »
Cheeky Monkey, is Madeline McCann a missing child or not, in your opinion?
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Erngath

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4413 on: June 14, 2019, 12:40:40 AM »
IF - on the condition or supposition that; in the event that.
If can only be applied to things we are NOT sure about. In the Shannon Mathew's case WE ARE CERTAINLY SURE that she was NEVER missing and she was NEVER dead OR smuggled out of the country. There are no 'IF's' in the Shannon Mathews case to compare with. I'd argue it's you who doesn't appear to understand.

The cadaver dogs did alert in the case of Shannon Matthews but she wasn't found to be dead
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline Brietta

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4414 on: June 14, 2019, 03:35:44 AM »
Misleading for who? I don't agree. She was never missing in the first place and she was found alive which proves it wasn't her cadaver the dog was alerting to.

A little bit of proof never misleads anyone.
The jury in the Shannon Matthews case hear the true extent of time, money and resources dedicated to finding her
Three quarters of the UK's trained police dogs were used in the hunt for Shannon Matthews. Photographer: Gareth Copley/PA
The search for Shannon was one of the largest ever conducted by the West Yorkshire force.

Prosecutor Julian Goose QC told the court today that the 24-day hunt cost almost £3.2 million and involved three quarters of all the UK's specially-trained police dogs.

At its height, the search involved more than 300 police officers, members of the public and the media, who all joined in with the operation to find her, the court was told.

Within a half-mile radius of where Shannon was last seen, 1,800 premises were searched and extensive house-to-house inquiries were conducted at many more.

The court was told most child abduction investigations resulted in the victim being found within a half-mile radius of where he or she went missing.

This was why West Yorkshire police committed its "huge resources" to this area where there were more than 2,850 premises, the jury was told.

Goose said more than 800 CCTV tapes and computer hard drives were examined and 41 other areas were searched outside the half-mile radius of Moorside Road, including operations in Cumbria and Nottinghamshire.

The jury of seven men and five women also heard that police experience showed that when children were abducted and murdered they normally died within three days of their disappearance.

"All available police dog handlers, firearms officers, special constables, rescue workers and a large number of residents from the Dewsbury Moor estate were engaged in that search," he said.

The prosecutor added: "The search involved hundreds of police officers, even more members of the public and national newspaper and television publicity.

"All this was for one single purpose; to find Shannon alive and well."
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/nov/12/shannonmatthews-biggest-search



That is precisely the fact that Martin Grime noted in the search for Madeleine ... "which proves it wasn't her cadaver the dog was alerting to."

But you are seriously wrong in saying that Shannon "was never missing".

Of course she was ... and it is misleading for you to claim otherwise.

The intensive and immediate concentration of the focused search of the area in which she was eventually recovered from shows how difficult it is to trace a missing person who has been hidden.
Shannon was missing for twenty four days during which the intensity of the search for her was never let up. 

Madeleine was never given that leeway ... according to Amaral in his book he thought she was dead right from the beginning ... and leaks to the Portuguese press during the golden hours prove how early she was given up on ...

JOSE MANUEL OLIVEIRA
Crime reporter, 'Diario de Noticias'
Information started circulating from sources connected to the Portuguese police that the story was full of holes from the side of the McCanns and their friends. Indeed within two days of Madeleine disappearing, this crime correspondent was filing this piece in the Portuguese Daily: Diario of the Noticias: "Headline: a badly told story." We started to receive information according to which the police suspected the theory they had apprehensions, didn't believe the theory that she had been kidnapped. To conclude, the police started to suspect the parents from the word go. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/7106086.stm


Maybe Saunokonoko might make a podcast reflecting that angle contrasting the difference in the manner of the searches conducted for two missing children ... I wouldn't think the contrast might have occurred, but one never knows.


"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4415 on: June 14, 2019, 07:09:41 AM »
IF - on the condition or supposition that; in the event that.
If can only be applied to things we are NOT sure about. In the Shannon Mathew's case WE ARE CERTAINLY SURE that she was NEVER missing and she was NEVER dead OR smuggled out of the country. There are no 'IF's' in the Shannon Mathews case to compare with. I'd argue it's you who doesn't appear to understand.
So you are unable to come to terms with the glaringly obvious.  That’s fine, I can live with that.   8(0(* 

Incidentally you didn’t answer my question about Madeleine- is she a missing child or is she not really missing at all?
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4416 on: June 14, 2019, 08:34:18 AM »
Of course Madeleine is a missing child but you said 'It happened in the Shannon Matthews case.  What are the chances indeed!' What happened in the case Shannon Mathew's case? Her mother FALSELY reported her missing remember, she never was missing. Is that a comparison you really wish to choose? That's fine too, I can live with that.

I have always been fully able to come to terms with YOUR comparison of a FALSE report of a missing child to that of Madeleine's disappearance. Whether you can live with that FACT is neither here nor there.  8(0(*

I have answered it now.
You are simply wrong.  You claim that Shannon was never missing because her mother knew where she was.  Yet you claim Madeleine IS missing despite your firm belief that her parents know where she is.  Your logic is completely flawed.  As far as Shannon’s father, siblings, grandparents, school teacher, school friends, the police etc were concerned Shannon was a missing child.  If children who are abducted by a parent are not missing then why does Interpol’s website have a page devoted to missing children who have been taken by a parent?  Are they not really missing?  Do you see how nonsensical your argument is?  Probably not.  Ever heard the saying “you can throw a banana at a monkey but you can’t make him eat?”
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Eleanor

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4417 on: June 14, 2019, 08:55:34 AM »
You are missing out one critical FACTOR in your comparison. PROOF! We have proof that Shannon Mathews was NEVER really missing. The one critical component you argue is missing in the Madeleine McCann case.

It's a good comparison IMO if you take Gerry's statistics and the dog results on board. Not to mention his two completely different versions of the last time he claims to have seen Madeleine (who Gerry states is missing) alive.

WE CAN PROVE Shannon Mathew's father, siblings, grandparents, school teacher, school friends, the police FALSELY believed Shannon was missing because Shannon's mother had FALSELY reported her missing.

If that's a comparison you wish to go with, let me take my hat off to you.  Well done!

Your logic is serious flawed, unless you believe that Madeleine isn't missing as her parents know where she is.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4418 on: June 14, 2019, 10:08:43 AM »
Did Shannon Mathew's mother know where Shannon was, is the point? That's the comparison that VS is making, not me.

Does Kate McCann know where Madeleine is?

Offline Eleanor

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4419 on: June 14, 2019, 10:41:02 AM »
IMO, yes she does. Karen Mathews knew where her daughter was all along. That's a fact which VS thinks is a good comparison to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

A false report of a missing child can never actually mean the child is missing if the report is given to be intentionally false. The location of the missing child in the Shannon Mathews case was known to her mother at ALL times. She can hardly be missing in that case, can she?

Proof is the operative word here.  No one had any proof that Karen Matthews knew, and no one has any proof that Kate McCann knows.

However, a Cadaver Dog did alert in The Matthew's household.  But then hindsight is always a good thing if you want to twist facts and attempt to bullpoo people.

Offline barrier

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4420 on: June 14, 2019, 11:13:07 AM »
The fact the cadaver dog alerted in the Mathews household has never been disputed by me but Shannon turning up alive gives us proof NOW that it wasn't to Shannon's cadaver. My father lay in his deathbed for several hours before being removed from the house, do we have proof that no one else had ever died in the locations the dog alerted to in the Mathews household?

And all that aside, we had proof yesterday, that Shannon Mathew's mother faked her daughter's abduction, so VS had hindsight on her side prior to posting her comparison.

Is there a cite for cadaver dogs alerting in the Mathews case,I've only found specialist dogs failing to find a trace.


March 2008 :Police searching for missing nine-year-old schoolgirl Shannon Matthews said today that more than 500 homes lining her route to school have been searched using specialist sniffer dogs.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/mar/04/ukcrime2

Update DEC 2008.

March 4: One-tenth of Yorkshire police are now deployed in the hunt for Shannon - the biggest such operation since the search for the Yorkshire Ripper. Sniffer dogs trained to find human remains search more than 500 houses.


https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/mar/14/2
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Offline barrier

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4421 on: June 14, 2019, 11:22:08 AM »
Good point. There's certainly nothing about cadaver dog alerts in the Mathew's household in the piece Brietta was kind enough to post either.

Whereas we have  confirmation in the McCann case.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4422 on: June 14, 2019, 11:25:34 AM »
Good point. There's certainly nothing about cadaver dog alerts in the Mathew's household in the piece Brietta was kind enough to post either.

The one poster who could challenge your statistics and show where you are, wrong wasn't able to post.. I'm busy for half an hour... Looking forward to your answers

Offline Eleanor

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4423 on: June 14, 2019, 11:29:59 AM »
A Cadaver Dog alerted to a Sofa in The Matthews House.  The Sofa was Second Hand.

Nope, not going looking for a Cite.

Offline barrier

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4424 on: June 14, 2019, 11:31:13 AM »
A Cadaver Dog alerted to a Sofa in The Matthews House.  The Sofa was Second Hand.

Nope, not going looking for a Cite.

Ah come on play the game.
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