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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4470 on: June 14, 2019, 05:07:41 PM »
Didn't they prove Karen Mathews knew where her daughter was all along when she reported her daughter missing at her court case? How much more proof do you need?
So what?
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Brietta

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4471 on: June 14, 2019, 05:27:48 PM »
Good point. There's certainly nothing about cadaver dog alerts in the Mathew's household in the piece Brietta was kind enough to post either.
One cites an article when wishing to make a particular point.  Which in the instance you quote was not about the false positive alerts made by specialist dogs brought into the case.

It seems the sceptics on this board are now indulging in more rewriting of history by their denial that the dogs did indeed make false alerts in Shannon's case ... to which I now post the appropriate link ...

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A South Yorkshire Police spaniel called Eddie was said to have sniffed out the "scent of death" at the Haut de la Garenne children's home in Jersey and the apartment from which Madeleine McCann disappeared in Portugal.

But in both cases nothing more was found and South Yorkshire Police say Eddie is no longer working with them.

Victim recovery dogs from four different police forces were used during searches for kidnapped schoolgirl Shannon Matthews in Dewsbury in West Yorkshire in 2008.

The dogs found evidence of dead bodies, but officers later discovered the corpses were nothing to do with her disappearance.

"The properties searched contained a high level of second-hand furniture bought from dwellings where someone had died," according to the NPIA report.

"This resulted in numerous indications that required further investigation to confirm whether they were connected to the investigation, or to previous owners of the furniture."

The Association of Chief Police Officers told Sky News it was consulting individual police forces and hoped to have national training standards for the dogs later this year.

https://news.sky.com/story/sniffer-dogs-can-hinder-police-work-10488976
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The dogs did indeed find evidence of death ... but most certainly not Shannon's.  Resulting ... as reported ... in time having to be taken out of the investigation to check out the provenance of the alerts which in all instances were proved to have an association with dead people.

The point being that no inference was made regarding those alerts until the police had the evidence to prove the verifiable source.  That just did not happen in Madeleine's case thanks to the amateurism demonstrated by those involved in deciding a bark equalled guilt without bothering with the proof of evidence.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4472 on: June 14, 2019, 05:28:08 PM »
It means she was NEVER missing, dinnit?
I dispute that but so what?  It doesn’t alter my point.  Police looking for missing girl, bring in cadaver dogs, dogs alert, girl shows up alive afterwards.  I know you don’t like “ifs” but if the girl hadn’t shown up afterwards for months or years the cadaver dogs would have been viewed by the likes of you as evidence of her death.  What her mother did or didn’t know is immaterial to this fact.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4473 on: June 14, 2019, 05:29:10 PM »
According to the police report, there was cadaver odour present and the dog was correct in the Mathew's house. Another FACT. Is there any evidence in Madeleine's case that you are comparing it with, that the odour came from somebody else's dead body?
We have no way of knowing what the dogs actually alerted to as no body was found, nor any trace of one.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Brietta

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4474 on: June 14, 2019, 05:31:24 PM »
Not if the person reporting the child missing knows where the child is I'm afraid.

I know it has been said before ... but your 'logic' is seriously flawed.  I find it absolutely mind boggling and completely misinformed.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4475 on: June 14, 2019, 05:39:20 PM »
So do you concede there is a possibility that it could have come from Madeleine? There was no body found in the Mathews who you insist on comparing it with.
It’s a possibility though highly unlikely IMO.  You on the other hand seem utterly convinced by the dog alerts.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4476 on: June 14, 2019, 05:40:25 PM »
So do you concede there is a possibility that it could have come from Madeleine? There was no body found in the Mathews who you insist on comparing it with.

we have to concede things we cannot prove.......its possible theres a loch ness monster....I think its highly...highly unlikeley the alerts were to Madeleines cadaver....ive got my views on the alerts based on evidence...and i think very little of them

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4477 on: June 14, 2019, 05:42:16 PM »
According to the police report, there was cadaver odour present and the dog was correct in the Mathew's house. Another FACT. Is there any evidence in Madeleine's case that you are comparing it with, that the odour came from somebody else's dead body?

oerhaps it did...there doesnt have to have been a cadaver in the appt

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4478 on: June 14, 2019, 05:43:51 PM »
I'm more convinced by the father's two completely versions of the last he claims to have seen his alive if the truth be told. But good on you! Duly noted!
What have you duly noted?
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4479 on: June 14, 2019, 05:48:09 PM »
You have NOT, I repeat, you have NOT shown that 'Grime did NOT say Eddie has has never made a, false alert in 200 cases' because you missed out the previous sentence that reads, "'False' positives are always a possibility; to date Eddie has NOT so indicated operationally or in training.

Come on, get real, eh!
the 200 case searches clearly refers to foodstuffs......as do the false alerts statements imo...if they dont Grime has made a massive error. He cannot possibly say no false alerts unless  every case eddie alerted to previouskly the alert was confirmed by forensic evidence,,,,,...what are the chances that every alert eddie has ever made has been confirmed  by forensic evidence...but the 11 we know about in LUZ were not.... i smell a rat

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4480 on: June 14, 2019, 05:48:57 PM »
I'm more convinced by the father's two completely versions of the last he claims to have seen his alive if the truth be told. But good on you! Duly noted!

gerry didnt give two different accounts ...imo

Offline Brietta

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4481 on: June 14, 2019, 05:55:54 PM »
Time taken out of the investigation into a NOT a missing child. They had all the time in the world, don't you think? What about the time Operation Grange has being taking out of the investigation. You reckon they have been chasing one lead for seven years.

Have you never wondered what Shannon's fate might have been without her recovery? 

She was confined indoors obeying a set of written rules.  When found she had been secreted in the base of a divan bed.

She had been drugged ... benzodiazepines were found in her system.

She had been tethered to a beam in the loft and her movement restricted to the toilet while her 'jailer' was out of the house.

Please desist from your insistence on your definition of what constitutes a missing or imprisoned person ... in my opinion it reflects badly on you ... but of more importance as far as I am concerned I believe it also reflects badly on the forum.

The disgusting definition you give for 'NOT missing' encompasses the horrors endured by Elisabeth Fritzl for one ... I'm sure even you must see how erroneous that is and desist from this line of deliberate nonsense.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4482 on: June 14, 2019, 06:45:42 PM »
You believe a lot of things, none of which have anything to do with me.
That was a non-sequitur if ever there was one.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4483 on: June 14, 2019, 06:49:27 PM »
The files and Lee Rainbow say he did. FACTS!

I dont beleive lee rainbow said what you think he did either...whats your source...do you have  a first hand account

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #4484 on: June 14, 2019, 06:49:45 PM »
The files and Lee Rainbow say he did. FACTS!
Please list all the differences, there must be loads to make one account completely different from the other
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly