Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.

[Eleanor]

Didn't they prove Karen Mathews knew where her daughter was all along when she reported her daughter missing at her court case? How much more proof do you need?

Can you prove this concerning Kate McCann?

[Venturi Swirl]

Only if you tell me where you got the 300,000/1 from?

google it.

[Mr Gray]

The files and Lee Rainbow say he did. FACTS!

if you claim it as a fact you need to provide  a cite for what rainbow said

[Eleanor]

This now bordering on Libel.  And I am not having it.

[Mr Gray]

Only if you tell me where you got the 300,000/1 from?

what do you think the odds are of maddie having been abducted

[Robittybob1]

The quote does not support the statement that Eddie did not give a false alert in 200 case searches..

Cheeky Monkey - do you see your mistake here?  There were specific reasons attached to Grime's claim for Eddie.

[Venturi Swirl]

It begins "Statistics vary" not the most comprehensive statistic then is it? But I suppose it's slightly better than professor McCann's 100,000,000/1 shot.

However I'll accept it on this occasion.

Part One." In this way, at about 21.05 the witness came to the Club, entered the room using his respective key, the door being locked, went to his children's bedroom and checked that the twins were fine, as was Madeleine. "He then went to the WC" where he remained for a few moments, left, and bumped into a person he had played tennis with and who had a child's push chair, he was also British, he had a short conversation with him, "returning after that to the restaurant." At about 21.30 his friend Matt (member of the group) went to the apartment, where his children were and on his way went to the witness' apartment, entering by means of a glass sliding door that was always unlocked and was located laterally to the building. He entered the bedroom, he observed the twins and he did not even notice whether Madeleine was there"

"At about 22.00 it was his wife Kate who went to check on the children. She entered the apartment by the door using the key and saw immediately that the door to the children's bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the blinds were raised and the curtains were drawn open."


HE REMEMBERS the patio door is unlocked. HE REMEMBERS him AND his wife walking past it and entering a locked FRONT door. Completely different to the version HE REMEMBERS on May 10th.

Part two to follow! Be patient, it's Friday night.

So that’s one difference, the one you’ve continually been banging on about for days.  Lookig forward to hearing all about the numerous other differences later.

[Robittybob1]

No one is denying Eddie was a well trained dog... But grime never said Eddie did not make a false alert in 200 case searches.. It would be impossible fir Grime to make such a statement unless every alert resulted in finding human remains.   .....blood.. Teeth... Etc

Each time an alert is made it could be to a singular or multiple causes.  E.g. if a girl was found 2 hours after dying sitting on a chair that had been purchased from a deceased estate where the old man had passed away for two days before anyone noticed. 
If a cadaver dog alerted in that situation you would not be able to say for sure which cadaver the dog was alerting to.

[Venturi Swirl]

I didn't say anyone could prove that concerning Kate and neither did you. The comment you were replying to was not about Kate or Madeleine McCann, it's was about Karen Mathews dishonestly alleging that her daughter had went missing. Despite of Brietta's beliefs, it was proven in a court of law that she was NOT missing and her mother did in fact know where she was the entire time.

Shannon Matthews was missing.  She was missing from school, she was missing from her home, her father had no idea where she was, nor did her siblings, her granparents, her neighbours, nor did the police.  She was missing. F she was not missing prior to her discovery by the police hidden in a divan, what was she?

[Venturi Swirl]

Coooeee,, that's two differences!

List them.

[Robittybob1]

What physical evidence confirmed the alerts in the Zapata case was the question?

Good point - a confession is not physical evidence but I think Grime didn't say physical evidence but corroborating evidence.  A confession of taking a body through an area eliciting an alert would be corroboration IMO.

[Robittybob1]

That's what grime says... Physical evidence..

Does he say "physical evidence"?  Would a confession not be sufficient?

[Mr Gray]

Good point - a confession is not physical evidence but I think Grime didn't say physical evidence but corroborating evidence.  A confession of taking a body through an area eliciting an alert would be corroboration IMO.

this is what Grime said in his witness statement..


Therefore in this particular case, as no human remains were located, the only
alert indications that may become corroborated are those that the CSI dog
indicated by forensic laboratory analysis.

according to that it takes physical remains bring found at the time to corroborate the alerts

[Mr Gray]

So a strong confession by the parents would be rejected by the courts? Go figure!

the confession would be the evidence...the alerts would be incidental

[Mr Gray]

I don't, no. Martin Grime: "'False' positives are always a possibility; to date Eddie has NOT so indicated
operationally or in training."

Not so indicated cannot be interpreted in anyway to mean sometimes so indicated. Either operationally or in training.

What mistake do you see?

grime said this in his Rog...

'Based upon your experience with the dogs, can you specify whether the positive signals given by them have always matched the scientific results''
I cannot. In this case, for example, not all the alert signals have been investigated by the appropriate agencies in order to provide forensic comparations, in spite of indications to the contrary. It also should be taken into account that the procedures for forensic testing are still less discriminating than the system of dogs' smell.[/fon


grime does not know if an lert is false or not without forensic testing...he therefore cannot state the dog has never had a false positive unless evry alert has been forensically corrobortaed