Why has Bamber campaigned to say he isn't a psychopath?

[Geordie]

That being the case, he wouldn't need to be evasive or deliberately ignore questions.

Indeed.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

That was my understanding too. I suppose it's the nature versus nurture debate, genetics versus environment. I understood that a psychopath had a genetic condition but that sociopaths were a product of their environment and that sociopaths often matured as they got older.

Then again there are probably more psychopaths than we realise among the general population. Some of the most successful people in business and/or politics are probably psychopaths but they never go on to kill people. There's probably an environmental factor with psychopaths that do, some stressor that festers and leads them down the path of murder.

Personally, I believe Bamber has all the traits of a psychopath. The thing is psychopaths are aware of the consequences of their actions, they just don't care. Perhaps that is what evil is, the complete absence of empathy.

Absolutely agree with every word you say

I’ve researched psychopathy, though I’m not a specialist by any means, and all the research shows that psychopaths are born — or suffered a head injury which changed their personality

It’s true they’re devoid of normal emotions

Many are highly intelligent and successful: their success is helped by the fact they’re ruthless and won’t let anyone or anything stand in their way

Many MP’s are psychopaths — including many hugely successful businessmen

Even medicine attracts psychopaths, and it’s known that some surgeons have psychopathic traits. They actually put their PD to good, albeit for their own ego

Bomb disposal squads are also usually psychopathic: because they have no fear and remain perfectly calm in danger

Many people assume all psychopaths are like the Yorkshire Ripper, but they’re in the minority. Clever, ruthless psychopaths make good lives for themselves and can be extremely charming

I suspect nurture plays an important part in how a psychopath turns out, but studies show that siblings of psychopaths are often normal and have no PD at all, which further proves psychopaths are born

Jeremy Bamber was diagnosed as being a psychopath when he was on remand, but he’s managed to keep that hidden. It’s true psychopaths mature just like anyone else, but they simply become a “mature psychopath” and with age their physical and mental ability to do wicked deeds becomes more difficult for them — but their abnormal brains don’t become healed with time

Bamber will never admit to killing his family because there’s no benefit in it for him. He’d admit to it if it meant he’d get parole, but would twist the version of events to try and gain pity from his gullible supporters. He’d come up with some cock & bull story to make himself look the victim, and his supporters would believe him

[APRIL]

Given that we know the majority of psychopaths are law abiding citizens -even high achievers and certainly risk-takers- wouldn't it be interesting to know if/where/how many of his supporters fall on the psychopathy spectrum?

[Geordie]

Absolutely agree with every word you say

I’ve researched psychopathy, though I’m not a specialist by any means, and all the research shows that psychopaths are born — or suffered a head injury which changed their personality

It’s true they’re devoid of normal emotions

Many are highly intelligent and successful: their success is helped by the fact they’re ruthless and won’t let anyone or anything stand in their way

Many MP’s are psychopaths — including many hugely successful businessmen

Even medicine attracts psychopaths, and it’s known that some surgeons have psychopathic traits. They actually put their PD to good, albeit for their own ego

Bomb disposal squads are also usually psychopathic: because they have no fear and remain perfectly calm in danger

Many people assume all psychopaths are like the Yorkshire Ripper, but they’re in the minority. Clever, ruthless psychopaths make good lives for themselves and can be extremely charming

I suspect nurture plays an important part in how a psychopath turns out, but studies show that siblings of psychopaths are often normal and have no PD at all, which further proves psychopaths are born

Jeremy Bamber was diagnosed as being a psychopath when he was on remand, but he’s managed to keep that hidden. It’s true psychopaths mature just like anyone else, but they simply become a “mature psychopath” and with age their physical and mental ability to do wicked deeds becomes more difficult for them — but their abnormal brains don’t become healed with time

Bamber will never admit to killing his family because there’s no benefit in it for him. He’d admit to it if it meant he’d get parole, but would twist the version of events to try and gain pity from his gullible supporters. He’d come up with some cock & bull story to make himself look the victim, and his supporters would believe him

I know it is a grey area but I was trying to differentiate between a born psychopath (nature) and a sociopath (nurture) when I said many sociopaths eventually can outgrow their maladaptive behaviour learned as a child that can carry on through adolescence into early adulthood. I would agree that is not the same for a psychopath and to be honest we will all have had a close relationship with a psychopath at some point in our lives. In my case it was the landlady of private accommodation we lived in for 10 years. If I described the personality traits of this lady who was around 60 years old, people would think I was describing Bamber which is I why I recognised his traits very early on when I joined the forum.

[Geordie]

Given that we know the majority of psychopaths are law abiding citizens -even high achievers and certainly risk-takers- wouldn't it be interesting to know if/where/how many of his supporters fall on the psychopathy spectrum?

He's playing to the gallery.

He equates psychopath with killer and therefore if he is not a psychopath he cannot be a killer.

Many people will fall for that misconception and psychopaths just love to play the victim.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Do you know whether or not he has actually been diagnosed with psychopathy?

I don't know whether or not he is guilty, but what I do suspect, is that he genuinely believes that he isn't!

Interesting what you say about him having suffered a head injury: I believe the same happened to Fred West (in his case, a motorcycle accident). I did read somewhere that head injuries can sometimes lead to people committing awful crimes later.

He was diagnosed a psychopath by the prison psychiatrist when he was on remand and before he was found guilty. The psychiatrist reported that besides Jeremy Bamber being a psychopath, he was a pathological liar too. He wrote that he firmly believed JB was guilty of the murders, and that was before the trial. Obviously, that information couldn’t be released in court as it would have compromised the hearing, but Jeremy Bamber knows of its existence and keeps that information hushed up. I dare say that’s why he’s taken TWENTY SEVEN polygraph tests ; he’s desperately trying to prove he isn’t a liar, but any sane person would ask why anybody would feel the need to take 27 tests...if they’re fail proof (which they’re not) surely just one would suffice? That in itself demonstrates his warped way of thinking: one doesn’t take their driving test 27 times if they passed it on the first attempt. It’s a fact that psychopaths do indeed pass polygraphs with ease, simply because they lack normal emotions.

I suspect he’s convinced himself he didn’t murder his family, despite knowing he did. A tell-take sign to his psyche is hiw he lied to Julie and told her he’d paid a hitman to kill them. He did that because he didn’t want her to think he was capable of shooting those bullets into his family’s heads. He distanced himself from it to make him look less evil. He may have also deliberately thrown in a red herring in case Julie did ever squeal...

So it’s possible he’s detached himself from the Jeremy Bamber of that night when he murdered them, and so when he says he didn’t kill them, he’s kind of telling the truth in as much as that man then wasn’t the same Jeremy Bamber as now.

His mother did accidentally drop him on his head when he was a baby, and he blamed her for him failing his medical to become a scuba diving instructor.

You’re absolutely right: head injuries can cause psychopathy depending on which part of the brain is damaged. Like you say, Fred West also received a head injury, and I believe it was after that his character changed.

I also believe that because Jeremy was good-looking, well turned out, spoke well etc...he was able (and still is) to fool people into believing he’s innocent.   

[ISpyWithMyEye]

It may be the reason why Jeremy has refused the release of his medical records.

Considering how determined he has been for 34 years to be released one should ask why he refuses to release his medical history. You’d do anything and everything to get set free, so it’s obvious he’s hiding something — and hat something is the reports of his head injury including the prison psychiatrist’s report that he’s a psychopath.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Given that we know the majority of psychopaths are law abiding citizens -even high achievers and certainly risk-takers- wouldn't it be interesting to know if/where/how many of his supporters fall on the psychopathy spectrum?

I believe the majority of his supporters are of low to low/average intelligence, and incredibly gullible and naive.

Some of them, mainly women, seem to have a crush on him even f they refuse to admit it. Those women are sorely lacking on so many levels, and they convince themselves he’s innocent so they can live in la-la land with their pretend lover who they’ve never even met in the flesh. They’re very sad women.

There may be the odd psychopath floating around his orbit, but I suspect most are just simpletons who have no real life

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I know it is a grey area but I was trying to differentiate between a born psychopath (nature) and a sociopath (nurture) when I said many sociopaths eventually can outgrow their maladaptive behaviour learned as a child that can carry on through adolescence into early adulthood. I would agree that is not the same for a psychopath and to be honest we will all have had a close relationship with a psychopath at some point in our lives. In my case it was the landlady of private accommodation we lived in for 10 years. If I described the personality traits of this lady who was around 60 years old, people would think I was describing Bamber which is I why I recognised his traits very early on when I joined the forum.

It’s remarkable how many people assume only men are psychopaths, not realising women can be too

Just look at Myra Hindley...

OK, she was in the extreme, and as you say, not all psychopaths murder. The majority don’t. They’re often highly intelligent, very cunning, manipulative, incessant liars, and utterly ruthless — and that includes the successful ones who come across as charming and friendly. It’s easy to see how they can manipulate the unaware.

The one thing I’ve always found with psychopaths, is that they all have similar eyes. The eyes are soulless, similar to a shark, and appear “dead”, whilst at the same time their stare seems to pierce right through you — as if they’re reading your thoughts.

It’s telling how the secretary at WHF said she was afraid of Jeremy. She said she felt scared of him because after the murders, when he came to speak to her in the office she felt he knew that she knew he’d done it by his eyes, and how they seemed to penetrate her and read her mind...

[Caroline]

He was diagnosed a psychopath by the prison psychiatrist when he was on remand and before he was found guilty. The psychiatrist reported that besides Jeremy Bamber being a psychopath, he was a pathological liar too. He wrote that he firmly believed JB was guilty of the murders, and that was before the trial. Obviously, that information couldn’t be released in court as it would have compromised the hearing, but Jeremy Bamber knows of its existence and keeps that information hushed up. I dare say that’s why he’s taken TWENTY SEVEN polygraph tests ; he’s desperately trying to prove he isn’t a liar, but any sane person would ask why anybody would feel the need to take 27 tests...if they’re fail proof (which they’re not) surely just one would suffice? That in itself demonstrates his warped way of thinking: one doesn’t take their driving test 27 times if they passed it on the first attempt. It’s a fact that psychopaths do indeed pass polygraphs with ease, simply because they lack normal emotions.

I suspect he’s convinced himself he didn’t murder his family, despite knowing he did. A tell-take sign to his psyche is hiw he lied to Julie and told her he’d paid a hitman to kill them. He did that because he didn’t want her to think he was capable of shooting those bullets into his family’s heads. He distanced himself from it to make him look less evil. He may have also deliberately thrown in a red herring in case Julie did ever squeal...

So it’s possible he’s detached himself from the Jeremy Bamber of that night when he murdered them, and so when he says he didn’t kill them, he’s kind of telling the truth in as much as that man then wasn’t the same Jeremy Bamber as now.

His mother did accidentally drop him on his head when he was a baby, and he blamed her for him failing his medical to become a scuba diving instructor.

You’re absolutely right: head injuries can cause psychopathy depending on which part of the brain is damaged. Like you say, Fred West also received a head injury, and I believe it was after that his character changed.

I also believe that because Jeremy was good-looking, well turned out, spoke well etc...he was able (and still is) to fool people into believing he’s innocent.

Where did you get the info about the polygraph tests?

[APRIL]

He was diagnosed a psychopath by the prison psychiatrist when he was on remand and before he was found guilty. The psychiatrist reported that besides Jeremy Bamber being a psychopath, he was a pathological liar too. He wrote that he firmly believed JB was guilty of the murders, and that was before the trial. Obviously, that information couldn’t be released in court as it would have compromised the hearing, but Jeremy Bamber knows of its existence and keeps that information hushed up. I dare say that’s why he’s taken TWENTY SEVEN polygraph tests ; he’s desperately trying to prove he isn’t a liar, but any sane person would ask why anybody would feel the need to take 27 tests...if they’re fail proof (which they’re not) surely just one would suffice? That in itself demonstrates his warped way of thinking: one doesn’t take their driving test 27 times if they passed it on the first attempt. It’s a fact that psychopaths do indeed pass polygraphs with ease, simply because they lack normal emotions.

I suspect he’s convinced himself he didn’t murder his family, despite knowing he did. A tell-take sign to his psyche is hiw he lied to Julie and told her he’d paid a hitman to kill them. He did that because he didn’t want her to think he was capable of shooting those bullets into his family’s heads. He distanced himself from it to make him look less evil. He may have also deliberately thrown in a red herring in case Julie did ever squeal...

So it’s possible he’s detached himself from the Jeremy Bamber of that night when he murdered them, and so when he says he didn’t kill them, he’s kind of telling the truth in as much as that man then wasn’t the same Jeremy Bamber as now.

His mother did accidentally drop him on his head when he was a baby, and he blamed her for him failing his medical to become a scuba diving instructor.

You’re absolutely right: head injuries can cause psychopathy depending on which part of the brain is damaged. Like you say, Fred West also received a head injury, and I believe it was after that his character changed.

I also believe that because Jeremy was good-looking, well turned out, spoke well etc...he was able (and still is) to fool people into believing he’s innocent.

It sounds as if you're implying it was he who requested the tests, rather than the authorities insisting that he takes them?

Your observations are valid, regarding his looks, style and speech.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Where did you get the info about the polygraph tests?

Jeremy Bamber’s “team” bring it up all the time on his disgraceful campaign forum

They boast about it “Jeremy passed TWENTY SEVEN lie detector tests!”

The irony is, they can’t see how stupid that makes him look. Why on Earth would anyone take 27 polygraph tests? He paid for them with money his weird supporters sent him.

All he’s establishing is that he’s a psychopath because psychopaths do pass the tests

 

[ISpyWithMyEye]

It sounds as if you're implying it was he who requested the tests, rather than the authorities insisting that he takes them?

Your observations are valid, regarding his looks, style and speech.

Yes, he arranged them himself, paid for by his weird supporters

They’re of no value whatsoever, they simply prove he’s a psychopath because psychopaths do indeed pass lie detector tests

It’s strange why he’s taken 27...he’s inferring he’s surprised by the results lol

[clockend]

He's playing to the gallery.

He equates psychopath with killer and therefore if he is not a psychopath he cannot be a killer.

Many people will fall for that misconception and psychopaths just love to play the victim.

I think this article reflects the cunning of those murderers who are psychopaths,
and how they are able to go unrecognized by trained professionals.
I quote Dr. Babiak
(Psychopathy is often misread, misdiagnosed, minimized or explained away by professionals whose jobs involve regular interaction with psychopaths, particularly in the mental health, judicial and law enforcement communities. This is due to the considerable deception skills of psychopaths.
The 2012 FBI report states that the unique ability of psychopathic criminals to manipulate law enforcement authorities poses legitimate challenges for the criminal justice system. During interrogations, psychopaths are not sensitive to altruistic interview themes such as sympathy for their victims or remorse for their criminal acts. As a result of their arrogance and illusions of invulnerability, they are more likely than non-psychopaths to deny charges brought against them by authorities.

According to the FBI, there is also evidence that psychopaths are able to influence the system to either receive reduced sentences or appeal their sentences to a higher court. This is likely due to the fact that psychopaths are extremely meticulous, compulsive and relentless by nature which helps them to coerce criminal justice practitioners. Moreover, psychopaths are very adept at imitating emotions such as remorse or guilt in the courtroom if they believe it will mitigate their punishment.)
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/wicked-deeds/201701/why-psychopaths-are-effective-killers

[Caroline]

Jeremy Bamber’s “team” bring it up all the time on his disgraceful campaign forum

They boast about it “Jeremy passed TWENTY SEVEN lie detector tests!”

The irony is, they can’t see how stupid that makes him look. Why on Earth would anyone take 27 polygraph tests? He paid for them with money his weird supporters sent him.

All he’s establishing is that he’s a psychopath because psychopaths do pass the tests

They said he was examined 27 times but not a polygraph. Every prisoner is routinely assessed annually - they are talking about those assessments but making it sound as though he has had 27 psychological assessments - he hasn't.