Kevin Halligen, the Smiths & those efits

[G-Unit]

Then please explain why you brought this to the forum ?

In my opinion it might be to question the provenance of those efits. Why anyone would want to do that I can't imagine. 

[misty]

Then please explain why you brought this to the forum ?

See my reply #11.

[misty]

In my opinion it might be to question the provenance of those efits. Why anyone would want to do that I can't imagine. 

Gemma O'Doherty apparently interviewed Martin Smith for her article in Village Magazine. Anything he said about the efits was not published in that article & strangely the efit attached to the article was not the one Martin himself contributed to (based on Adrian Gatton's tweets concerning Operation Omega in 2018).
https://villagemagazine.ie/index.php/2018/02/maddie-did-the-bbc-bend-the-truth/

[Robittybob1]

Then please explain why you brought this to the forum ?

Because they match the Smith's e-fits.

[barrier]

I'm not suggesting their presence was confirmed (or denied) but it's quite easy to plant suspicion that a person/people were in a particular place when they weren't. Would the PJ have been allowed to access information about US VIP's who'd arrived in Portugal by private plane/boat?
I'm not attempting to attribute blame; rather just questioning the provenance of the efits obtained by Oakley International in light of allegations concerning Halligen's rivalry with the brothers.

Makes a change from a brit VIP and a cover up.One of wilder theory's imo.

[G-Unit]

Gemma O'Doherty apparently interviewed Martin Smith for her article in Village Magazine. Anything he said about the efits was not published in that article & strangely the efit attached to the article was not the one Martin himself contributed to (based on Adrian Gatton's tweets concerning Operation Omega in 2018).
https://villagemagazine.ie/index.php/2018/02/maddie-did-the-bbc-bend-the-truth/

The importance of that article is that it put paid to the lie that Mr Smith had changed his opinion about who he saw on 3rd May. Some people believed that lie, despite there being no evidence at all that it was true.

I wonder who invented it? Could it be the same people who produced the unfounded rumours about the Podestas?

[Venturi Swirl]

I still don’t understand why if he was so sure he didn’t just say with regard to the e-fits “here’s a picture of Gerry McCann, that’s what he looked like”.  Why the need to create 2 e-fits that look like two different men, neither of whom bears more than a faint resemblance to the man he is fairly certain he saw? 

[G-Unit]

I still don’t understand why if he was so sure he didn’t just say with regard to the e-fits “here’s a picture of Gerry McCann, that’s what he looked like”.  Why the need to create 2 e-fits that look like two different men, neither of whom bears more than a faint resemblance to the man he is fairly certain he saw?

Jane Tanner thought people could be recognised by means other than their facial features. Why should Mr Smith be unable to do that?

When asked, she says she would probably be able to identify the individual she saw, being able to identify him from the side and from his manner of walking.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE-TANNER.htm

it was like watching an action replay of the night he saw the male carrying the child back in Portugal.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

[G-Unit]

Tin foil hats required.....

There have, for some time, been rumours on the internet that the Podesta brothers were in Luz on 3/5/07 staying at Casa Colina (formerly owned by Clement Freud).

https://newspunch.com/detective-podestas-mccann-dead/   (article contains some speculation)


Freud's wife availed herself of a rental car from Faro airport in 3/5/07, the hire car having been arranged by a rental agent.  https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/oa/OA1_8/o_apenso_8_Vol_1_p144.jpg
 
Mrs Freud probably was not staying in a 4 bed villa on her own but her son confirmed to media outlets that his father was not in Luz on 3/5/07.

Some people believe the 2 Smith family efits resemble the Podesta brothers, although the Met police confirmed that the images were constructed based on recollections of one man.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/madeleine_mccann_case_operation  (reply by Met. police 31/3/18 to a FOI request)
* 4. Two efits of a person suspected of being Madeleine's abductor were
shown on a TV programme, Crimewatch, on 14 October 2013: (A) On what
date did Operation Grange first receive these efits? (B) From whom?
(C) Is Operation Grange still seeking the public's help in identifying
this man?

These efits were received by the Operation Grange team in September 2008
as part of a dossier of material handed to the MPS by private
investigators that had been working on the case.  The MPS will not comment
on whether identifications have or have not been made however the efits do
not form part of any current appeal.

============================================

I have not seen any confirmation from the Smith family themselves that the efits shown on Crimewatch were the same ones they helped prepare. The FOI reply does not clarify that matter either. I have been wondering how the Met police would have managed to interview the Smith family, given they resided in Eire & the main investigation pre-Crimewatch 2013 had been conducted by Portugal. 3 way cross-border examination of witnesses may well have been more complex than an ILOR.
Could the efits have actually been an attempt by Halligen to stitch-up the Podestas, based on his alleged rivalry with them, rather than implicate anyone else in the disappearance of Madeleine?

You seem to be assuming that Halligen was 'hands on' in the running of Operation Omega. From what I have seen and read he was more interested in other matters. He hired Exton and his team to deal with the McCann investigation. I assume they met at the Special Forces Club. Quite why Halligen was a member is not clear.

I find other connections far more interesting.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3333.0

[Venturi Swirl]

Jane Tanner thought people could be recognised by means other than their facial features. Why should Mr Smith be unable to do that?

When asked, she says she would probably be able to identify the individual she saw, being able to identify him from the side and from his manner of walking.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE-TANNER.htm

it was like watching an action replay of the night he saw the male carrying the child back in Portugal.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

I don’t understand how your comment relates to what I wrote.  Smith only gave facial feature efits, why didn’t he just hand the police a picture of Gerry McCann and say “draw this”?

[G-Unit]

I don’t understand how your comment relates to what I wrote.  Smith only gave facial feature efits, why didn’t he just hand the police a picture of Gerry McCann and say “draw this”?

I don't know if Mr Smith was one of the two members of the family who took part in the production of the efits.

[Venturi Swirl]

I don't know if Mr Smith was one of the two members of the family who took part in the production of the efits.

Why wouldn’t he have been, seeing as how he was the one who seemed to have the firmest views concerning what this man looked like?  Who elseclaimed to get a good look at his face?

[Robittybob1]

Why wouldn’t he have been, seeing as how he was the one who seemed to have the firmest views concerning what this man looked like?  Who elseclaimed to get a good look at his face?

Still comes back to whether the statements was factual in the beginning.

[G-Unit]

Why wouldn’t he have been, seeing as how he was the one who seemed to have the firmest views concerning what this man looked like?  Who elseclaimed to get a good look at his face?

He said he had declined to engage with the McCann's investigators. Why would he have changed his mind? I don't recall any of them claiming they 'got a good look at his face'. Where did you get that idea from?

[Venturi Swirl]

He said he had declined to engage with the McCann's investigators. Why would he have changed his mind? I don't recall any of them claiming they 'got a good look at his face'. Where did you get that idea from?

Oh that’s right.  None of the Smiths saw his face but at least two of them were able to describe the facial features.  How did they manage that then?