Part 1.....I've started writing another post , which has brought me to this one, whilst the other is sat on my computer, and I'll come back too....
From DCI Phil Jones Leveson statement....
I was appointed as SIO on 27th December 2010 and in
consultation with CCD continued to develop the media strategy as the
investigation grew, documenting al! media related decisions in my policy book
27th December 2010.... which is 10 days into the disappearance of Joanna Yeates, if we go with the 17th December 2010.
But I want to go back to who was originally in charge...
7:00AM GMT 22 Dec 2010 The Telegraph...
Det Supt Mark Saunders, of Avon and Somerset Police, who is leading the investigation, said Miss Yeates's disappearance was a "complete mystery". He said: "This is out of character for Jo. We are concerned for her welfare and we need help from the public.
In all of this where has DS Mark Saunders been?? We had the Leveson , a trial etc, and he appears to be Missing, like most things in this case...
Why he is important is obvious... Lets take CJ's Leveson statement , where he divulges that it was on the 22nd December 2010, that he gave his second witness statement, this at a time when DS Mark Saunders was in charge of this Investigations, this statement that was at the heart of CJ's arrest....
Various questions to pose.. We had the fortune of DCI Phil Jones explaining his role in the Joanna Yeates Investigation, but we have never had DS Mark Saunders tell us anything since his appearance in a couple of clips about Joanna Yeates disappearance and then he too disappeared....
Thinking about all that has happened to CJ, I came back to DS Mark Saunders... why if he was the original investigating officer was he not called to The Leveson Inquiry??
Why was CJ not questioned after he gave his second witness statement on the 22nd December 2010 as a suspect??
What reason did DS Mark Saunders have for not wanting to bring CJ in as a suspect? It's an important question and I am surprised that CJ didn't want DS Mark Saunders opinion on this matter, why he wasn't called to The Leveson to explain why he didn't feel that CJ's statement made him a viable suspect??
* 20th December 2010 Joanna Yeates reported Missing
* 22nd December 2010 DS Mark Saunders make TV appearance, he's in charge of the Investigation
* 22nd December 2010 CJ makes his second witness statement
* 25th December 2010 Joanna Yeates is found dead
* 27th December 2010 DCI Phil Jones is put in charge
* 29th December 2010 CJ's infamous Sky News appearance
* 30th Decemeber 2010 CJ's arrested
* 31st December 2010 Paper print XYZ about CJ
Those dates are important, and the order in which events happened... We are given the reason for CJ's arrest, was that what he had told the Police was very ver y much vaguer than that.... Referring to the possibility that he had indeed seen Joanna Yeates on that Friday 17th December 2010 evening....
But a denial to the media is not a reason for arrest..(imo) if he didn't wish to be seen or named as a witness, then denial is the way forward... he hasn't divulged anything that could be of great importance to the investigation, and that in itself should not have made him a suspect....
All this talk of him being the landlord etc, having keys and the various stories that were put to print about CJ at the time, to blacken his character, as he says.... But The Police were already aware he was the landlord and had keys to the flats....
So I do not see the idea that all of a sudden that idea spring into mind on the day they decided to arrest him.... This Missing persons inquiry has always seemed like a Murder Inquiry from day one... The forensics outside the property dusting window panes etc whilst Joanna Yeates is a Missing person.... Certain aspects of the case always seeming not quite right... The photo's of the flat for instance... The images of the outside garden and Dr Vincent Tabak's Flat in early December when it snowed... Images they shouldn't have....
As I look at the information I am trying to bring together, theres so much swirling around my head... Ideas.. questions... A different angle....
Where was CJ all the time?? This is something I want to tackle, brought on by a passage or short sentence in Ryan Parrys Leveson Statement....
Towards the end of the published article there are quotes from a Clifton shopkeeper and a
named man (Mr Girvan) who said he met Mr Jefferies 48 hours after Jo Yeates vanished.
This was part of a post I had started, but I'll use it here instead... Who is Mr Girvan? And what is 48 hours after Joanna Yeates is Missing?? No-one knew at the time for a fact when Joanna Yeates actually went Missing...
I was thinking about that statement yesterday and couldn't understand the need for it, but it is there for all to see in The Leveson... So it has to be of importance (imo)...
Trying to understand the chain of command changing and the importance of CJ's second witness statement and CJ's arrest in connection to this case and statements made by various people in The Leveson and elsewhere and why we have repeats of certain pieces of info....
CJ's movements...
* 17th December 2010 CJ and Peter Stanley assists Greg with his car trouble
* 17th December 2010 returned from the gym at 9:00pm
* 17/18th December 2010 talked to Dr Vincent Tabak, a light dusting of snow on way to gym
* 18/19th December 2010.. The next day Dr Vincent Tabak assisted CJ move his car
* 19th December 2010.. (we do not know for sure the date..but..) Saw Mr Girvan
* 20th December 2010 Misses a phone call from Greg Reardon
* 22nd December 2010 makes second witness statement
* 29th December 2010 Talks to Sky News
* 30th December 2010 arrested
These are the dates that are available for CJ's movements... But where was he all the time??
We don't know and I think it is important, he has used Dr Vincent Tabak to put him at home on the 18th December 2010, something that Dr Vincent Tabak has not confirmed himself...
We have a random Mr Girvan who lives were?? who is were at the time he see CJ??
Where did CJ make his statement?? I mean where was he when the Police took witness statements?/ and where was he when he gave his second witness statement??
Was he even in the country?? Had CJ been away over that Christmas period, from when Joanna Yeates was reported Missing to the 29th December 2010 when he appears on TV??
No finger pointing, I am trying to piece together where things changed in this Investigation.... And why CJ wasn't arrested immediatley once they discovered Joanna Yeates body?? They had always treated this as a Murder Inquiry and everyone reacted as if she was all ready dead, so, there was no real reason not to arrest CJ with immediate effect, (imo)
* She's posed...
* She's concealed,
* She's Missing her sock,
* She has no coat
* There's blood on the wall
* Her breast is exposed
* Her T shirt is above her head
* She has blood on her nose
* There's blood in her hair
* They are treating the scene as a Crime scene
* She is wearing a different T-shirt than that in the Ram
* She is starting to thaw
All the indications that were used for the case against Dr Vincent Tabak.... But why not arrest CJ?? Why wait... Why change command..
Now you all might think that I am pointing at CJ... And that is not the case... But it is really important that we know CJ's movements, because i have just had an idea....
It should have been enough to arrest CJ, or at least bring him in for questioning.... The circumstances are the same in reality.. They had named the body they found as Joanna Yeates, so why not act.... why the charade of the door stepping and arrest the next day, based on CJ not giving away information to the media??
The media tell us that they get info before hand and release it when it may be beneficial to an investigation... If there is a leak, where had it come from.... DCI Phil Jones talks of surprise when info is leaked and only a few where privy to this....
Well maybe whilst he was in charge, but we have had someone else in charge before, so why didn't the leak come from that area.... I'm not saying DS Mark Saunders leaked the info, but I do not know who was on his team at the time... So anything that had been leaked to the media, could and would have been known before DCI Phil Jones took over as SIO on the 27th December 2010....
Back to why I'm asking where CJ was.....
The evidence they had against CJ, looking at it cold, was far greater than the evidence they had against Dr Vincent Tabak when they arrested him... Yet for some reason CJ's lawyers had more success in getting him bailed than Dr Vincent Tabak's laywer managed... He's solicitor didn't even apply for bail to the courts...
By CJ's own admission, he arrives home at 9:00pm on Friday 17th December 2010, and hears/ sees 2/3 people at the gate... we then don't know what he does... He has Dr Vincent Tabak help move his car, and has also conversed the day before with Dr Vincent Tabak.... We get a Mr Girvan chucked in for good measure, all able to offer an explanation to CJ's movements that weekend...
Which if he is under suspicion, these people would be able to verify what CJ did or didn't do....
Dr Vincent Tabak sees CJ on his way to the gym
2/3 people see CJ returning from the gym
Dr Vincent Tabak see's and helps CJ the day after
And Mr. Girvan sees CJ 48hrs after Joanna Yeates is Missing....
All these people supporting what CJ was doing....
Now out of all of these witness's we only ever know of Dr Vincent Tabak, and only because CJ himself has told us of this piece of information.... Dr Vincent Tabak doesn't mention it at trial, in fact he is lambasted for implicating his landlord about a car changing position, which we know by CJ's statement is true....
All this time I keep saying that CJ was a witness for Dr Vincent Tabak, when maybe it was Dr Vincent Tabak who was a witness for CJ..... Same with the people at the gate.... Peter Stanley too...
On the 22nd December 2010 Zoe and Florian Lehman double check with the party host what time they arrived... I don't know if they saw CJ.. maybe maybe not.... I never understood why it was the 22nd December 2010 that Zoe and Florian Lehman suddenly felt the need to check this piece of information out, it seemed coincidental to me....
But there must have been something that they heard, for them to do this on the day that CJ has given his second witness statement...
And this is the time that DS Mark Saunders is leading this investigation..... Which makes me ask if they were checking everything at that time about CJ... Did they always suspect him..... ??
Now you're going to have to bare with me ... I will get to the point in a mo....
Up until now, everything appears to point to CJ... I say appears because the circumstantial evidence suggests that he could be responsible.... The witness's are the people at the gate..... Dr Vincent Tabak too is a witness.... Peter Stanley... Mr . Girvan... all witness's to CJ's movements...
But we have never questioned CJ's movements... It has been shown that he is wholly innocent.. It has been talked of at the Leveson etc etc.... But I find that there is always something I am Missing.... something starring me in the face.... Something obvious.....
Why were the people at the gate never identified?? They really should be vital in this investigation... But they have been put aside.... They are only not relevant if they are CJ's alibi...(imo) and they wouldn't want them identifying if that is the case....
So what was it when CJ was arrested that stopped them from firmly stopping him being charged??
Circumstancially, it should have been a slam dunk..... But there is something that stops them... What is it??
Was CJ else where?
Did he leave the country??
Did he not return till after they had found Joanna Yeates??
CJ isn't speaking and his movements are important, we know parts but not all.... Ok if they managed to fly to Holland to question Dr Vincent Tabak about a car changing position , then that was possible with CJ if he wasn't in the country at the time...
So where exactly was CJ?? Again I'm not finger pointing ,I am trying to establish what took place ,so I can put into context the strange events and unanswered questions....
We do not know the questions CJ was asked whilst he was in custody, or the answers he gave.... Or more importantly where he was...
DNA test doe not connect CJ, but that is only ever part of any evidence.... motive opportunity etc are also needed...
And then I go back to when Joanna Yeates was found and in what condition her body was....
She is found on the 25th December 2010... as we are aware... most agree she couldn't have been on Longwood Lane for so long.... But if CJ is away at this time, then he couldn't place Joanna Yeates on Longwood Lane...
And it has to be hard evidence that proved CJ wasn't possibly responsible... Was he in the country when she was found?? What arguments did his solicitor use??
There has to be some correlation between dates... Had he returned at that time ? Had he been away....
Had they waited for CJ to return and that why we have the circus surrounding his arrest?
Other than the tale on the stand... What put Joanna Yeates on Longwood Lane since 17th December 2010??
NOTHING...........!!
And is that the problem with the Polices case against CJ... If he wasn't here when Joanna Yeates was deposited on Longwood Lane.... And that was the case that his solicitor put to the Police....
This is a theory.. of course... but we don't know CJ's movements, and I want to explore other avenues...
CJ at the Leveson doesn't confirm he saw Joanna Yeates, nor do we see his witness statement at The Leveson... Which would support Colin Ports own Leveson statement....
So what and who are the people at the gate... And why do we not know their identity?? Were they CJ's alibi??
And this is why they were never produced???
Think about it... What was it that CJ needed to do... I mean alibi wise?? They have not moved from that house... they have ripped it apart... the media are parked outside from the beginning and CJ is a single man living on his own...
It is he who needs the alibi... And i think it is possible that is why he remembered the people at the gate.... They were his alibi.. along with the others I have named....
Put yourself in CJ's position at the moment... They search the house, the ask all the tenants for statements about what happened that weekend.. all extremely unusual for a Missing Persons inquiry take DNA samples, according to CJ, and we have a forensic blitz like no other for a Missing persons Inquiry.....
Was he just trying to cover himself.... ??
What did you do on the evening of the 17th December Mr CJ??
Can't remember at the moment... think I spent the evening at home....
More busy Policemen around the building....
Gossip.. etc etc...
Head working over time trying to establish ones movements....
Ring Ring.... Hello Mr Police man... I have just remembered something, there was 2/3 people leaving the Flat.. at the gate talking in hushed tones that could tell you I arrived home at 9:00pm on Friday the 17th December 2010
Easy to twist that statement to anything one wants... But if it is his alibi, and there is only he who knows or saw them, then again they are important...
This is why I ask if it was Dr Vincent Tabak at the gate or leaving the property also..... Something to consider...